'We're asking for help to bring our boy home to Manchester so he's not alone as he fights for his life'

[Mark mark]

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

I believe (but am happy to be corrected) to be eligible for the 30b scheme or social security treatment must be done at the hospital one is registered at.

My social security covers the bills at PhayaThai hospital (Iam registered there) but not other hospitals.

 

Yes foreigners are covered by the Por Ror bor (compulsory third party  insurance).

Yes there are People from Northern Bangkok who do come up here to go to out Provincial hospital ! As I have met them in the waiting room. People from Langsit on Bangkok's Northern fringe.

 

Possibly they have family connections here ? I do not know. I will ask them next time. So our Hospital must be good here I would say ! And we have the IT industry so a lit of people from other provinces living here now.

 

And well if any people are going to go and live in Bangkok they usually just go and live in Langsit and the north also.

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, Mark mark said:

Yes there are People from Northern Bangkok who do come up here to go to out Provincial hospital ! As I have met them in the waiting room. People from Langsit on Bangkok's Northern fringe.

 

Possibly they have family connections here ? I do not know. I will ask them next time. So our Hospital must be good here I would say ! And we have the IT industry so a lit of people from other provinces living here now.

 

And well if any people are going to go and live in Bangkok they usually just go and live in Langsit and the north also.

 

I'll bite.......

 

 

It's Rangsit!

[IvorBiggun2]

5 minutes ago, Mark mark said:

there are People from Northern Bangkok who do come up here to go to out Provincial hospital ! As I have met them in the waiting room.

Because your Provincial hospital is the government hospital to which they are registered. If a Thai attends a government hospital to which they are not registered they pay full price. It's a way to control the masses.   ????

[KannikaP]

On 3/30/2023 at 6:35 PM, Mike Teavee said:

Very sad, no matter your thoughts on his actions that led to this, that’s 5 kids who have lost their dad ????

But what sort of Dad? Leaves 5 kids in UK with their mother/s and swans off to Thailand with his girlfriend.

[The Fugitive]

22 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Because your Provincial hospital is the government hospital to which they are registered. If a Thai attends a government hospital to which they are not registered they pay full price. It's a way to control the masses.   ????

Very helpful info coming out of this thread, thank you! Our family has had many moto road traffic accidents and, in all cases, our Government Hospital has produced bills for payment. All admissions were at our local (registered hospital). I understand that you can only be registered at one Government Hospital. You would, of course, be covered by your 30 baht scheme in another Government Hospital providing you had been referred by your own one.

Edited April 4, 2023 by The Fugitive

[Mark mark]

4 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Because your Provincial hospital is the government hospital to which they are registered. If a Thai attends a government hospital to which they are not registered they pay full price. It's a way to control the masses.   ????

Ok and Thanks. Good to Know. ...

 

JFYI a ribald bit, I was on the Train going south, to have a holiday On the East Coast of Malaysia ! But I had Horible Hemoroits that got so bad, that I could not stand them any more ..... So I got off was it in Chumpon ? Some provincial town down there somewhere, and took a taxi to the Local Hospital, and they put me straight in to a sanitary room, and a doctor and Nurse Drained my Haemorrhoids ! The Diagnosis "Oh My God" as he saw them ! ... Gave me some VERY GOOD Pills like I was high on Opiates for a week ! ... $2.50 for the Doctor and 500 B worth of Medications ! ... and he instructed me to sit on 22 sanitary Napkins, and I took a taxi back to the station and got on the next Train going south, and we continued our Holiday ! (And I realized why I was enjoying it so much, was because of the Opiates a few days later when I met a Guy in the Kota Baru Hospital who had “A Road Side Collection” to use his own words !!! … Like a Pile of Junk that he had picked up by the side of the Road ! … Jeezzzz I just Love the Malaysians Way that they use English. !

 

But well TIT this was Thailand also back in about the 90's was it ?

[IvorBiggun2]

If involved in a traffic accident even your registered government hospital will not provide treatment under the 30 Baht scheme. Hence why you need compulsory 3rd party Por Ror Bor insurance in Thailand. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by IvorBiggun2

[sidneybear]

On 3/11/2023 at 4:22 PM, FritsSikkink said:

Father of 5, no helmet, on the phone while driving after a couple of drinks.

Now the family begging for money.

Nuff said. 

My thoughts exactly. I hope he pulls through, but he is a candidate for the Darwin awards if ever there was one.

[Mark mark]

28 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Because your Provincial hospital is the government hospital to which they are registered. If a Thai attends a government hospital to which they are not registered they pay full price. It's a way to control the masses.   ????

Probably it would be better to be registered at the biggest one as they would be covering the biggest things that might go wrong with you. ? ... Though I think that I am registered at 2 The Big Provincial one was first, but I started using the closer less crowded one later ? Though well do not quote me on it ! ? I am a Folang I guess so I get no discount at either so well it just streamlines their Charging. ? ... And it is Logical the "Bangpaharn International" as the Humorous Nurses on Night shift in the Emergency room call it ! Humorously ! As they Pose for a few Selfies in the Emergency room ! Like a quiet Night right ? (It is right next to Asia Highway so it is NOT always Quiet ! )

 

But Is Small and with the Basic Graduates as Doctors as the Older good one get moved on petty fast I have noticed ... so Skin Cancer What it That ??? ... But they do just Great Old peoples Blood Pressure and sugar and Kidney blood tests ! ... Have a good Computer system so you can see your History as well, but for most, more important stuff you have to go to Ayutthaya General. ... But when it comes to Physio and other lower key stuff, the Ayutthaya Hospital is VERY happy to direct you back to Bangpaharn Hospital and for Dressing it gets done for Free at the Government health centre at our temple, like free for me to as they consider me a resident of there. Though do not tell anyone right ?  And I donate 100b to them every second Visit if I can ! Like I had to push them to get a Donation Box you know ! As they did not have one when I first went there !...

 

Yes Thailand May have it's problems in some places (And I will not mention their names) but it DOES Have the BEST !!! And Most Socialist Health System that I have ever seen anywhere !!! As the People are socially Cooperative and Coherent so they CAN easily do this !!! ... Well I think so. ?

 

[Mark mark]

4 minutes ago, sidneybear said:

My thoughts exactly. I hope he pulls through, but he is a candidate for the Darwin awards if ever there was one.

He is Dead I think Mate. ...

[Mark mark]

37 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

Very helpful info coming out of this thread, thank you! Our family has had many moto road traffic accidents and, in all cases, our Government Hospital has produced bills for payment. All admissions were at our local (registered hospital). I understand that you can only be registered at one Government Hospital. You would, of course, be covered by your 30 baht scheme in another Government Hospital providing you had been referred by your own one.

Yes sounds right, and I guess that in our accident when the Grand son was just going too fast, flipped the power steering back and forwards while going over the usual Bumps on the concrete tarmac, spun but missed all of the other traffic and just hit the wall, they took the 2 women in the back seat to the Closest Local Hospital. I think that this would be Ambulance Quing stuff I guess ? The local Hospital probably having no emergency patients at the time. ... BUT her Injuries were so bad, like her leg broken in to 3 Pieces !!! She SHOULD ! Have been taken to the Provincial Hospital I think. And well that is how it has turned out now any way. ... As she had to have an operation there to fix it all up. !!! (Let’s Hope !!! )

 

I did not know it at the time, it just was a "Broken leg" then, ... and my People here do make all of their own decisions here,  still, ... like also ! I WAS avoiding the Stupid Grand Son's accident also !!! ??? I must admit !!! ... A Folang, Survival in TIT !!! tactic Right ??? ... Avoid the issue, and let the Thais sort it out !!! ??? … But well when it did not heal it landed on my feet.

 

So I picked up the ball, got a second opinion and Quote, the diagnosis being the same, and Blunt, “It needs an Operation” But the 220,000 quite scared us all off !!! 

 

And then met the Doctor that she had found, at the Provincial Hospital and well he WAS good I am sure. ... The decisions were wrong to start off with, and at our local hospital, … but she was going to school and she did NOT want to have to repeat the whole year either. ! ...

 

I started a Thread about The Great Thai Health system myself after I had to have my Skin cancers cut off, here on AN, so maybe all this about Thai Hospitals could be there but well, I AM glad that some people are, giving ! And some getting some really helpful Info from here !!! So it seems, and Thanks to AN and the Fellows who DO know about the system.

[Brian Hull]

The first thing the ne government should do is sack the boofheads of the Immigration Department and completely overhaul it. It is forever changing the rules which are always complicated and don't make much sense anyhow. It seems hell-bent on making things difficult for tourists and retirees alike. Compare this dogs' breakfast to Cambodia's where you pay  $300 for a 12 months multiple entry visa with no financial requirements or bank deposits, and you are left in peace for a year.

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, Mark mark said:

Fantastic ! Sounds quite right to me ! And well worth knowing. Thanks.

 

So does the social security treatment cover Traffic Accidents ? I am imagining yes here in Thailand.

 

Does it cover Foreigners who are retirement Visa ? I would imagine no. ? 

 

But it might just be some sort of insurance so who knows what and who is eligible.

 

I have social security as I work here and pay into the fund.

If the foreigner was working before retirement and kept making contribution to the fund they could use it.

Not sure if foreignerers not working/never have worked here have access.

 

[IvorBiggun2]

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The foreigner who works legally in Thailand is eligible for Social Security Fund registration. The registration consists of an application form submitted to the Social Security office. Once the registration is completed, the foreign employer will be entitled to the same benefits as any other Thai employee.

 

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How much is Social Security in Thailand?

 

 

The minimum monthly pension is 600 baht. Old-age pension (social assistance): 600 baht is paid to persons aged 60 to 69; 700 baht if aged 70 to 79; 800 baht if aged 80 to 89; and 1,000 baht if aged 90 or older.

 

 

Edited April 4, 2023 by IvorBiggun2

[ArnieP]

As has been reported several times in this thread the guy has already died!

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11919271/Brit-father-five-32-dies-five-weeks-knocked-motorbike-Thailand.html

Edited April 4, 2023 by ArnieP

[Mark mark]

7 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

I have social security as I work here and pay into the fund.

If the foreigner was working before retirement and kept making contribution to the fund they could use it.

Not sure if foreignerers not working/never have worked here have access.

 

No, I was an independent, off shore, on line, Navigation Contractor for most of the latter half of my life, so I have had no access to this.  ... But I think that it is a good thing !!! ... And Good on you for still being in it !!! ... I would be if I could !!! ...

 

And thanks for you very Good Information also !!! Like very Nice !!! So now we all know where we are !!! ... and well I am quite happy being here !!! so Thanks Mate !!!

[actonion]

On 4/2/2023 at 2:53 PM, scottiejohn said:

And of course in your mind there is no chance that you had any part in those "accidents"  of yours is there?

Remember it takes two to tango!

Yes it takes two to Tango,     but  there s a problem if only one can Dance....

[Yellowtail]

Under the social medical, I think if the services/specialist that you require are not available at the hospital you are registered in, you get referred to a hospital that does. 

 

I also believe that accidents are covered. 

[IvorBiggun2]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I also believe that accidents are covered.

Are you referring to traffic accidents?

[Yellowtail]

14 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Are you referring to traffic accidents?

Yes

[IvorBiggun2]

50 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Under the social medical, I think if the services/specialist that you require are not available at the hospital you are registered in, you get referred to a hospital that does. 

 

I also believe that accidents are covered. 

If traffic accidents are covered then why do you still have to pay the compulsory Por Ror Bor insurance if you're already covered??

[bannork]

18 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

If traffic accidents are covered then why do you still have to pay the compulsory Por Ror Bor insurance if you're already covered??

Poor Ror Bor covers third parties that might be injured in an accident you have caused 

Edited April 4, 2023 by bannork

[IvorBiggun2]

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

Poor Ror Bor covers third parties that might be injured in an accident you have caused 

And?

 

Compulsory Motor Insurance, also known as “Por Ror Bor” is a mandatory insurance required by law for all motor vehicles within Thailand.

Edited April 4, 2023 by IvorBiggun2

[bannork]

12 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

And?

 

Compulsory Motor Insurance, also known as “Por Ror Bor” is a mandatory insurance required by law for all motor vehicles within Thailand.

Poor Ror Bor means anyone driving the particular vehicle it's attached to is covered for third party insurance,  providing they have a driving licence.

Any extra insurance a driver has is up to them 

[IvorBiggun2]

17 minutes ago, bannork said:

Poor Ror Bor means anyone driving the particular vehicle it's attached to is covered for third party insurance,  providing they have a driving licence.

I think you'll find it's the 'named' driver.

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

If traffic accidents are covered then why do you still have to pay the compulsory Por Ror Bor insurance if you're already covered??

You pay your vehicles Por Ror Bor to cover other property or people you injure in an accident you are held at fault.

 

not everyone has social security coverage.

[hotchilli]

On 3/11/2023 at 11:51 AM, webfact said:

A mum has spoken of her anguish as her son fights for his life more than 5,000 miles from home following a horrific motorbike crash in Thailand. Dad-of-five Jay Bridgehouse, 32, from Stockport visited the south Asian country for the once in a lifetime trip to 'chase his dreams' and look for work before he was ploughed into by a pick up truck in the early hours of February 26.

A dad of 5 children aged 32 chasing his dreams alone in Thailand... 

welcome to your nightmare.

 

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

If traffic accidents are covered then why do you still have to pay the compulsory Por Ror Bor insurance if you're already covered??

Does it make a difference? You are posing a risk to the wellbeing of others when you drive, and you should assume at least some of that risk. 

 

You or people riding with you, may not have social medical, and you may not have social medical and be riding with someone else. 

 

 

[bannork]

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

I think you'll find it's the 'named' driver.

https://www.roojai.com/en/car-insurance/compulsory/

I think you'll find any driver with a licence is covered providing the vehicle has por for Bor 

[Mark mark]

On 4/4/2023 at 8:03 AM, hotandsticky said:

 

I'll bite.......

 

 

It's Rangsit!

Yes seems so from Goggle maps, I just get a bit fooled by our local dialect I think when they say "Lang sit" ? I reckon ?  Like Kop Koon Kup ? Or Kop Koon Krup ??? ... upper class Bangkok Thai ? And I am ready for the squiggle faced emojis on this one as well !!! ???