When the farang do gooders take over

[jvs]

A teacher in Tallahassee lost his job over showing this(pornography) to 11 and 12 year old kids.Poor little children how will they ever recover from seeing this?

On the other hand ,kids are watching a lot of porn online these days.

Land of the free and all that,sure.

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Slip said:

Then you should not have made the claim.  This is also off topic so please don't feel a need to reply.

I was replying to a claim that was wrong and also off topic .

 

[spongeworthy]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

A teacher in Tallahassee lost his job over showing this(pornography) to 11 and 12 year old kids.Poor little children how will they ever recover from seeing this?

On the other hand ,kids are watching a lot of porn online these days.

Land of the free and all that,sure.

 

<removed obscene image>

Please be careful posting such pornography. I think you may have just turned me gay.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, spongeworthy said:

Yes, multiple pages deep already and posting 1 link would be off topic, but discussing why you won't provide said link ad nauseam is apparently on topic.

 

I hope you do understand that nobody is buying this, though the mental gymnastics you're going through are proving to be quite entertaining.

 

Please take it to an on topic thread and I will post a link there

That way the link wont get deleted for being off topic 

Is that too difficult  for you to understand ?

Take it to an on topic thread 

[Slip]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I was replying to a claim that was wrong and also off topic .

 

Your behaviour is logged in the posts.  Again, stop trolling.

[spongeworthy]

10 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The Mayo Clinic.

Yes, of course.

The doctors performing these surgical procedures are making a fortune.

So, it's very gracious of them to write a neat little blog with all the sub-categories neatly defined.

 

I honestly thought you'd go straight for the "liberal Biden administration" or Wikipedia but you chose the Mayo Clinic.

 

I love this thread. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

[Tarteso]

3 hours ago, Moonlover said:

That certainly wouldn't work in our village. Every time someone dies a collection is made, small but sufficient to ensure that the deceased receives  their funeral rites. No one misses out on their final journey to the cremation oven. And eventually I expect to be making the same journey.

Usually, Apart of collection, the relatives or the interested party obtain insurance to cover the funeral expenses, for little monthly money they ensure a dignified funeral. Happen in small villages.

[Dogsredrocket]

8 minutes ago, Slip said:

Trolling- makes a claim and when asked to back it up says it would be off topic.  A student of right wing trolling methods can find a fertile playing field (55) in several characters on AN

An ASEAN now forum and you all seem to have found a way to rant about wokism, right wing, left wing, book burning in America etc.

 

I suppose it is a good break from 87 year olds providing savvy tips on how to save on electricity costs when the main issue is clearly building management charging double supply costs. Even better, 75 year olds who dont ride motorcycles telling us all how to ride a motorcyle safely in Thailand. 

 

How intersting this place is.

 

 

[Slip]

1 minute ago, Dogsredrocket said:

An ASEAN now forum and you all seem to have found a way to rant about wokism, right wing, left wing, book burning in America etc.

 

I suppose it is a good break from 87 year olds providing savvy tips on how to save on electricity costs when the main issue is clearly building management charging double supply costs. Even better, 75 year olds who dont ride motorcycles telling us all how to ride a motorcyle safely in Thailand. 

 

How intersting this place is.

 

 

Where have I said anything about those things?  Another troll as given away by your chosen log-in name.  Where are the mods?

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Slip said:

Where have I said anything about those things?  Another troll as given away by your chosen log-in name.  Where are the mods?

Report all the off topic posts and they will be deleted .

(I dont report posts myself)

[Moonlover]

8 minutes ago, Tarteso said:

Usually, Apart of collection, the relatives or the interested party obtain insurance to cover the funeral expenses, for little monthly money they ensure a dignified funeral. Happen in small villages.

I believe that's how it works in our village as well. Each according to their abilities to pay. But no one, not even the poorest is left out of the scheme.

 

It's a far cry from the obscene profiteering that one often sees in the 'virtuous western' societies.

[spongeworthy]

I actually find the root causes of intolerance to be much more interesting than discussions on what is or is not "appropriate" intolerance, as that is all based on ones perception, which is relative. How people handle being made aware of the root causes of their own intolerance's is quite fascinating. Have any papers been published hypothesizing on the stages people go through (similar to the stages of grief) when being made aware of their own misconceptions due to the relative nature of intolerance?

Edited March 26, 2023 by spongeworthy

[Dogsredrocket]

14 minutes ago, Slip said:

Where have I said anything about those things?  Another troll as given away by your chosen log-in name.  Where are the mods?

ASEAN NOW Community Pub

Thailand is legendary for its entertainment, both traditional and modern. Discuss night life, restaurants, bars, music, movies, concerts, expat life, fun, or just a chat about anything not covered by other sub-forums. (No Politics).

 

So why are you bitter old farts dicussing such nonsense here?

 

Frantically report to mods if you like. The whole post shouldnt even be here.

 

[BangkokReady]

34 minutes ago, spongeworthy said:

That is an interesting subject.

 

If somebody is pre-op (still has a penis) perhaps it is appropriate to use the "Men's Room" (Male's Room?).

 

If somebody is post-op, what is the fear? That a rapist or pedophile had their penis surgically removed in order to gain access to female restrooms with the intention of committing sexual assaults?

I think it's possible that post-op we're talking about a safer situation, but either way, you still have the problem of if the person still looks like a man, it's going to make women, probably particularly younger women/girls, feel extremely uncomfortable.

 

34 minutes ago, spongeworthy said:

I guess the same questions are applicable for the women-to-male side of the equation.

I'm not sure they really are. I think woman to man have a slightly easier time because they pass easier and they wouldn't really feel threatening in the same way that a man to woman might. What I mean is, can you imagine a man coming out of a public toilet looking scared and telling someone "I think there's a woman in there. I was really scared"? Not exactly fair, but then life isn't fair.

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

The thread quickly turned Political !  Protest pics ,Trans , alphabet people ,religion ,political parties .

Oh my 

It began as a political thread.

[spongeworthy]

13 minutes ago, Dogsredrocket said:

ASEAN NOW Community Pub

Thailand is legendary for its entertainment, both traditional and modern. Discuss night life, restaurants, bars, music, movies, concerts, expat life, fun, or just a chat about anything not covered by other sub-forums. (No Politics).

 

So why are you bitter old farts dicussing such nonsense here?

 

Frantically report to mods if you like. The whole post shouldnt even be here.

 

OK? Is there another sub-forum more appropriate for this topic?

[spongeworthy]

10 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I think it's possible that post-op we're talking about a safer situation, but either way, you still have the problem of if the person still looks like a man, it's going to make women, probably particularly younger women/girls, feel extremely uncomfortable.

Understandable.

 

What if a large, mean looking woman went into the bathroom while a young woman/girl was in there? Would they be scared then? Is there anything we should do about that?

 

Or if just your average butch woman who looks and dresses a bit more like a man? Would they be scared then? Is there anything we should do about that?

 

12 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I'm not sure they really are. I think woman to man have a slightly easier time because they pass easier and they wouldn't really feel threatening in the same way that a man to woman might. What I mean is, can you imagine a man coming out of a public toilet looking scared and telling someone "I think there's a woman in there. I was really scared"? Not exactly fair, but then life isn't fair.

I think a large part of the fear is penis = weapon which can be used in a sexual assault. With females generally being smaller and less muscular than males, a "former" female probably doesn't cause men fear in most cases, other than fear of their own desires perhaps. ????

[gamb00ler]

6 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

If you want to change Thailand or Cambodia or whatever STAY in your own country!

Surely, you can think of some financial/educational/administrative policies or practices in Thailand or Cambodia that can be improved upon by those with experience from outside Thailand.

Edited March 26, 2023 by gamb00ler

[BangkokReady]

3 minutes ago, spongeworthy said:

What if a large, mean looking woman went into the bathroom while a young woman/girl was in there? Would they be scared then? Is there anything we should do about that?

 

Or if just your average butch woman who looks and dresses a bit more like a man? Would they be scared then? Is there anything we should do about that?

They might feel threatened, but it simply isn't the same as a "male presence".

 

3 minutes ago, spongeworthy said:

I think a large part of the fear is penis = weapon which can be used in a sexual assault. With females generally being smaller and less muscular than males, a "former" female probably doesn't cause men fear in most cases, other than fear of their own desires perhaps. ????

I disagree.  I think a large part of it is fear created by someone who looks like a man in woman's private area or doing something they are only comfortable having a woman doing.  Anecdotes I have heard are a trans woman nurse who clearly still resembles a man performing some sort of intimate medical procedure on a woman who has asked for a female nurse and a girl going for her first bra fitting and almost being serviced by a trans woman who clearly resembles a man.

 

I do feel bad for genuine trans women.  I don't want them to be harmed or even feel bad.  But many of them still look like men and this will make women and girls feel extremely uncomfortable in certain situations.  In others it can put them in danger.  While I understand why trans women don't want to use male spaces, it isn't right to simply shift the issue onto biological women.

[BangkokReady]

2 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Surely, you can think of some financial/educational/administrative policies or practices in Thailand or Cambodia that can be improved upon by those with experience from outside Thailand.

Yeah, but they don't annoy him.  Silly!

[spongeworthy]

17 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

They might feel threatened, but it simply isn't the same as a "male presence".

 

I disagree.  I think a large part of it is fear created by someone who looks like a man in woman's private area or doing something they are only comfortable having a woman doing.

Perfectly understandable.

 

But is this a rational fear? And by that I mean is this a fear brought about by thousands of years of evolution which has become embedded in our DNA, or is this a learned fear from being raised in a puritanical society? Do women and girls in nudist colonies or the parts of the Amazon and Africa (and other places) where people aren't "fully clothed" also experience such fear? Even Europeans will laugh at Americans over their puritanical values while ignoring their own biases relative to those less-clothed societies previously mentioned.

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by spongeworthy

[save the frogs]

1 hour ago, spongeworthy said:

I love this thread. It's the gift that keeps on giving.

I was joking when I asked you to provide a link.

I stated a FACT - that transgenders undergo surgical procedures.

You're denying that surgery is involved?

 

My little conspiracy is that medical folks enjoy lining their pockets with these surgeries.

Please don't reply.

I don't care what you think.

[spongeworthy]

22 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I was joking when I asked you to provide a link.

I stated a FACT - that transgenders undergo surgical procedures.

You're denying that surgery is involved?

Yes, I'm denying that. I do understand it may be a difficult concept to grasp. I wasn't trying to attack you, and I don't know why you have taken it in that way, I was only pointing out that surgery is not a requirement for one to be transgender.

 

Gender is a societal construct (man and woman), different from sex (male and female). Transgender people don't identify with the gender society has assigned them. Some transgender people undergo surgery, some do not.

 

I honestly can't tell if you're trolling at this point, due the overwhelming irony with regards to your name and this particular topic, but I'll play along if it makes you happy. ????

[Neeranam]

8 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

I'm sick of do gooders going to Asia to change it !!

 

But you say this was in Australia. 

 

Most Thai would prefer nice Christian farang than the Pattaya brigade. 

 

Wondering what makes you think you can come to Thailand and tell other farang what they can and cannot do.

[spongeworthy]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Wondering what makes you think you can come to Thailand and tell other farang what they can and cannot do.

They just did, what are you gonna do about it?  ????

Edited March 26, 2023 by spongeworthy
Corrected pronoun

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, spongeworthy said:

But is this a rational fear? And by that I mean is this a fear brought about by thousands of years of evolution which has become embedded in our DNA, or is this a learned fear from being raised in a puritanical society?

I think you're confusing rational with maybe instinctual or innate?  Even if the fear is learnt through socialisation, it doesn't mean that it is irrational.  An irrational fear is being scared of something that you have no reason to be scared of.

 

I think what you're talking about it "nature vs. nurture".  That is, something that is innate that we are born with and something that we "learn" from some aspect of our lived experiences.

 

I would suggest that is probably a mixture of both.  I'm sure it's quite natural for a woman or a girl to be scared of a man and to be scared of any being that is far bigger and stronger than they are.  I think when we go through puberty, we begin to think differently about both our own sex and the opposite sex.  I would imagine as girls become women, they notice how boys change into men and become stronger and more aggressive.  It seems only natural for women to find this intimidating, just as a man might find another man who is far bigger, stronger and more aggressive than him intimidating.  This is surely a natural "this thing is capable of doing me harm so I am scared of it" response.

 

Women might also learn to fear men through negative experiences with them.  It doesn't take many men to try and harass or touch a girl before she is fairly sure that men can be bad news and she would rather not be alone with one who she does no know or trust.  I think this is demonstrated by people who find themselves in a different culture and end up in dangerous situations because the culture they come from is relatively safe and they haven't learnt the fear that is needed for the culture they are now living in.

 

Obviously the idea of a female private space is not necessarily a natural thing (although we can't actually rule out the possibility that our cave-dwelling ancestors may have strictly controlled who was left alone with the tribe's women folk), so we might suppose that the idea of being scared by a man simply because he is in a woman's bathroom or changing room is something learnt.  A woman might see a man in a shop and there is no one around and not feel scared, while if the same man appeared in her gym changing room, she might be terrified.

 

Perhaps it's something worth looking into.  How natural is separating males and females?  Do other animals do it?  I think some monkeys and apes have an alpha male and female who check the behaviour of other members of the group.  Possibly even the alpha male and female are the only ones allowed to breed in some animals.

 

1 hour ago, spongeworthy said:

Do women and girls in nudist colonies or the parts of the Amazon and Africa (and other places) where people aren't "fully clothed" also experience such fear? Even Europeans will laugh at Americans over their puritanical values while ignoring their own biases relative to those less-clothed societies previously mentioned.

I would imagine that men are still perceived as a danger to women and girls and they are careful to have people watching over them.  I'm sure some things are still private.  I don't think the tribe people are living quite like animals.  The women probably go to the toilet somewhere private and in groups, for example.  Rape wasn't brought about by the invention of the toilet or the changing room and with the lack of medical care and government support, they may even be more watchful over women than the puritans in the West (even if they do have their boobs permanently on display).

[save the frogs]

51 minutes ago, spongeworthy said:

Some transgender people undergo surgery, some do not.

ok, fair enough.

[BangkokReady]

42 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Most Thai would prefer nice Christian farang than the Pattaya brigade. 

Funnily enough, I've been asked a few times by Thais if I go to bars, or if I go to Pattaya or Khaosan Road.  It's interesting that that's a question worth asking in Thailand to get a feel for someone.

 

(And before someone chimes in with "that must be because you look like a degenerate whoremonger", that's not it. ????)

[DavisH]

6 hours ago, NONG CHOK said:

If I ever get reincarnated I have it in my will that I want to come back a a bar girls bike seat.

Be careful what you wish for....lol

 

[still kicking]

6 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Well, the ones holding up anti-trans signs are probably just protesting about men in frocks using women’s toilets, the women’s changing rooms in department stores, and taking part in women’s sporting events. I’m absolutely with them on that one; still it was good to learn that Sydney is in Australia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There are 7 places in the world named Sydney!