Make peace, not war The Kremlin’s internal polling shows that more than half of Russians now favor negotiations with Ukraine, while only a quarter want to continue the invasion

[Scott]

 

Russia’s ongoing military defeats in Ukraine and the social burden of mobilization are rapidly cooling the public’s support for the war. Meduza has gained access to the results of an opinion poll commissioned by the Kremlin “for internal use only.” According to the study conducted by the Federal Protective Service (FSO), 55 percent of Russians favor peace talks with Ukraine, while only a quarter of the respondents still support continuing the war.

 

The FSO poll does not diverge all that much from the results of an October public-opinion study conducted by the Levada Center, Russia’s only large independent sociological institute.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/11/30/make-peace-not-war

[ThailandRyan]

The chilling effect of so many bodies of their fellow countrymen being buried and the sanctions being felt, as well as this being Putins personal war, have run it's course with many folks.  The war is not going well for Putin.

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

The chilling effect of so many bodies of their fellow countrymen being buried and the sanctions being felt, as well as this being Putins personal war, have run it's course with many folks.  The war is not going well for Putin.

Another defection just announced also.

 

‘He’s a war criminal’: Elite Putin security officer defects

He switched off his phone to shut out the crescendo of urgent, enraged messages, said goodbye to his life in Russia and tried to calm his fast-beating heart.

But this was no ordinary Russian defector. Karakulov was an officer in President Vladimir Putin’s secretive elite personal security service — one of the few Russians to flee and go public who have rank, as well as knowledge of intimate details of Putin’s life and potentially classified information.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-defector-war-crimes-khodorkovsky-karakulov-dossier-845421fe06ed9cfa1962ad4f98a2e413

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I wonder how long the people of the Eastern and Southern Russian Confederation states, which have provided the bulk of draftees, are going to continue to put up with this war?

[ThailandRyan]

22 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I wonder how long the people of the Eastern and Southern Russian Confederation states, which have provided the bulk of draftees, are going to continue to put up with this war?

Possibly until there are no more to conscript and the dead fill the cemeteries full, that would be my guess, and of course is just my opinion              

[Kwasaki]

4 hours ago, Scott said:

55 percent of Russians favor peace talks with Ukraine, while only a quarter of the respondents still support continuing the war.

Good news at last hope it gains momentum and is true. 

[ballpoint]

Interesting that this was "leaked" by the Kremlin itself.  Could it be the start of an attempted face saving by Putin?  "Of course, we want to, and could, fight until we win, but the people have spoken, and I always follow the will of the Russian people".  It could also be a double bluff though.  Set some ridiculous conditions in the negotiations, and when Ukraine refuses to accept them, carry on the attack with the (delusionally perceived, and broadcast as such to the Russian people), moral high ground.  "Look, we did what you said, but these Ukrainians are having none of it. We must continue the fight.  Fresh conscripts!".

[Kwasaki]

17 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Interesting that this was "leaked" by the Kremlin itself.  Could it be the start of an attempted face saving by Putin?  "Of course, we want to, and could, fight until we win, but the people have spoken, and I always follow the will of the Russian people".  It could also be a double bluff though.  Set some ridiculous conditions in the negotiations, and when Ukraine refuses to accept them, carry on the attack with the (delusionally perceived, and broadcast as such to the Russian people), moral high ground.  "Look, we did what you said, but these Ukrainians are having none of it. We must continue the fight.  Fresh conscripts!".

Well at least someone should use it to find some dialogue to finding a way to end the war. 

[ozimoron]

Just now, Kwasaki said:

Well at least someone should use it to find some dialogue to finding a way to end the war. 

The way to end the war doesn't need to be "found". It isn't lost. The same solution as Vietnam needs to be applied.

[RichardColeman]

Not sure if I was Russian I would want to answer that  poll !!!

[ogb]

For those paying attention, Russia has always been willing to negotiate......it was Boris (UK/USA) who scuttled negotiations, and since then Ukraine hasn't had any wins big enough to be able to get back to the negotiating table with a hand worth playing.

[Pink Mist]

2 minutes ago, ogb said:

For those paying attention, Russia has always been willing to negotiate......it was Boris (UK/USA) who scuttled negotiations, and since then Ukraine hasn't had any wins big enough to be able to get back to the negotiating table with a hand worth playing.

You are 100% incorrect on that sir. What Putin says is the opposite of what he does. He also does not wish to return the invaded lands he claims he has annexed.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-putin-war-negotiations/32190264.html&ved=2ahUKEwjBnJ2g9pT-AhVFD1kFHepmA2EQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Awuu6u_BfKYA5UyMlUWGm

 

Putin had "shown absolutely zero indication that he's willing to negotiate" an end to the war.

[xylophone]

3 minutes ago, ogb said:

For those paying attention, Russia has always been willing to negotiate......it was Boris (UK/USA) who scuttled negotiations, and since then Ukraine hasn't had any wins big enough to be able to get back to the negotiating table with a hand worth playing.

The problem being that Russia will want to negotiate on its terms only, and that would include keeping any gains they may have made, as well as the other parts of Ukraine which they invaded a while back.

 

And I don't see why Ukraine has to have "any wins big enough to be able to get back to the negotiating table" when it is their country and IMO the worst possible scenario would be to go back to the status quo of a couple of years ago

[Kwasaki]

16 minutes ago, ogb said:

For those paying attention, Russia has always been willing to negotiate......it was Boris (UK/USA) who scuttled negotiations, and since then Ukraine hasn't had any wins big enough to be able to get back to the negotiating table with a hand worth playing.

Problems with Ukraine and Russian have being going since the 90's, Boris just jumped in to help when then there was an actual invasion. 

[Kwasaki]

16 minutes ago, xylophone said:

The problem being that Russia will want to negotiate on its terms only, and that would include keeping any gains they may have made, as well as the other parts of Ukraine which they invaded a while back.

 

And I don't see why Ukraine has to have "any wins big enough to be able to get back to the negotiating table" when it is their country and IMO the worst possible scenario would be to go back to the status quo of a couple of years ago

I think your right unless there is a U-turn and change in the leadership of Russia's government, Russia will not give in to anything IMHO. 

[ThailandRyan]

The day will come for negotiations, and that will be when Putin has lost complete power within his own circles.  He just now removed the latest general he had placed in charge of the most recent attempt at advancing.  He has also cut off the Wagner group.  To add insult to injury the Russian Defense ministry is now on fire burning the building.

 

Putin ‘dismisses top general amid Ukraine failures’ (yahoo.com)

 

Clipping Wagner's wings, Russia to remove mercenary force from Ukraine battlefields: Sources (firstpost.com)

 

Russian Defence Ministry building is on fire in centre of Moscow (yahoo.com)

 

 

[Tug]

Amazing that with all the censorship threats prison sentences for Russian protesters that this is happening perhaps Putin is losing control and will be rubbed out soon!the only negotiation I feel is nessary is reparations turning over war criminals for trial and safe passage for Russian military personnel leaving Ukrainian lands slava Ukraine ???????? 

[Denim]

There can be no meaningful negotiations until Russia withdraws all its troops from Ukrainian territory.

 

Until this fundamental requirement is met the war will continue , more to the detriment of Russia than Ukraine.

[Denim]

5 hours ago, ogb said:

For those paying attention, Russia has always been willing to negotiate......it was Boris (UK/USA) who scuttled negotiations, and since then Ukraine hasn't had any wins big enough to be able to get back to the negotiating table with a hand worth playing.

Absolute rubbish.

 

The only negotiations Putin is interested in is Ukraine surrendering all the territories Putin wants , which are in fact less than he had originally wanted.

[wwest5829]

16 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The way to end the war doesn't need to be "found". It isn't lost. The same solution as Vietnam needs to be applied.

I do not think the same conditions are present, until/unless I see evidence that the Ukrainians have given up as a result of corruption on their side.

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, wwest5829 said:

I do not think the same conditions are present, until/unless I see evidence that the Ukrainians have given up as a result of corruption on their side.

The US did not withdraw from Vietnam because of corruption, they were on the wrong side of popular opinion and righteousness just as Russia is now.

[Vlad66777]

It's very fun to read foreigners' comments about what Russians think and want. Maybe for a start ask the opinion of the Russian people themselves ??
You have been brainwashed by the Americans. What truth do you want to know from their press??

 

The autonomous non-profit organization Yuri Levada Analytical Center received a significant amount of foreign funding from the United States, including from the University of Wisconsin, which is curated by the Pentagon.

 

Meduza's sources of funding, which had been kept secret until that moment, were discovered by a careful study of the publication's financial statements. Among the sponsors of the opposition media were two Western organizations, which at one time were partners of George Soros. One of them also funded a project by Pussy Riot members and Russian LGBT communities. Information about the agreements concluded is contained in the financial statements of the Latvian company Medusa Project SIA for 2017.

[still kicking]

8 minutes ago, Vlad66777 said:

It's very fun to read foreigners' comments about what Russians think and want. Maybe for a start ask the opinion of the Russian people themselves ??
You have been brainwashed by the Americans. What truth do you want to know from their press??

 

The autonomous non-profit organization Yuri Levada Analytical Center received a significant amount of foreign funding from the United States, including from the University of Wisconsin, which is curated by the Pentagon.

 

Meduza's sources of funding, which had been kept secret until that moment, were discovered by a careful study of the publication's financial statements. Among the sponsors of the opposition media were two Western organizations, which at one time were partners of George Soros. One of them also funded a project by Pussy Riot members and Russian LGBT communities. Information about the agreements concluded is contained in the financial statements of the Latvian company Medusa Project SIA for 2017.

You posting from Mars?

[tgw]

38 minutes ago, Vlad66777 said:

It's very fun to read foreigners' comments about what Russians think and want. Maybe for a start ask the opinion of the Russian people themselves ??
You have been brainwashed by the Americans. What truth do you want to know from their press??

 

The autonomous non-profit organization Yuri Levada Analytical Center received a significant amount of foreign funding from the United States, including from the University of Wisconsin, which is curated by the Pentagon.

 

Meduza's sources of funding, which had been kept secret until that moment, were discovered by a careful study of the publication's financial statements. Among the sponsors of the opposition media were two Western organizations, which at one time were partners of George Soros. One of them also funded a project by Pussy Riot members and Russian LGBT communities. Information about the agreements concluded is contained in the financial statements of the Latvian company Medusa Project SIA for 2017.

Wowotshka, do you mean Ruzzian media's reporting is more accurate ?

don't hesitate to give examples of their fine journalistic work.

[bendejo]

half of Russians now favor negotiations with Ukraine, while only a quarter want to continue the invasion

 

And the the remaining quarter has left the country.

 

 

[still kicking]

7 minutes ago, bendejo said:

half of Russians now favor negotiations with Ukraine, while only a quarter want to continue the invasion

 

And the the remaining quarter has left the country.

 

 

Yeah most of them are in Bali or Thailand 

[still kicking]

1 minute ago, Vlad66777 said:

Mykolka, if I were naive, as the author of the article, I would definitely make a reference to the Russian press.
You probably noticed that I just pointed to the author's source of information, which does not inspire confidence.
It's because you've been most busy manipulating the spelling of the word - Russian.
You obviously don’t have enough mind for more, like most of your fellow countrymen who are now dying in the war for visa-free travel and the right to wash toilets for the Germans and the British.

Yes Comrade 

[Vlad66777]

18 minutes ago, bendejo said:

And the the remaining quarter has left the country.

Not a quarter, but maybe only one percent. Many are now returning home. Because it's already warm in Russia. For example, I lived in Pattaya for five months from October to March. I will be back in November, I plan to buy two apartments. One apartment for myself and another for my wife. We can't sleep together because I snore loudly and my wife hits me on the head at night.
Perhaps this is one of the reasons for buying up apartments by Russians. We snore very loudly at night, and wives don't like it.

[Credo]

1 hour ago, Vlad66777 said:

It's very fun to read foreigners' comments about what Russians think and want. Maybe for a start ask the opinion of the Russian people themselves ??
You have been brainwashed by the Americans. What truth do you want to know from their press??

 

The autonomous non-profit organization Yuri Levada Analytical Center received a significant amount of foreign funding from the United States, including from the University of Wisconsin, which is curated by the Pentagon.

 

Meduza's sources of funding, which had been kept secret until that moment, were discovered by a careful study of the publication's financial statements. Among the sponsors of the opposition media were two Western organizations, which at one time were partners of George Soros. One of them also funded a project by Pussy Riot members and Russian LGBT communities. Information about the agreements concluded is contained in the financial statements of the Latvian company Medusa Project SIA for 2017.

So, lets take a closer look at what you are saying.  First, you are saying that the media is tainted by the US.  Yet, you substantiate it with nothing.   You cast aspersions on anything having to do with the US, including George Soros and then the U of W.  

 

You got all the right wing ideology down pat, it's just the truth that evades you.

[tgw]

6 minutes ago, Vlad66777 said:

Not a quarter, but maybe only one percent. Many are now returning home. Because it's already warm in Russia. For example, I lived in Pattaya for five months from October to March. I will be back in November, I plan to buy two apartments. One apartment for myself and another for my wife. We can't sleep together because I snore loudly and my wife hits me on the head at night.
Perhaps this is one of the reasons for buying up apartments by Russians. We snore very loudly at night, and wives don't like it.

free financial advice: I'm not optimistic for the value of real estate in Ruzzia (don't complain about my use of your President's favorite non-Ruzzian character)

 

 

the reason I'm not optimistic about the value of real estate is demographics and economics.