Florida House passes 6-week abortion ban, expected to be signed by governor

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

You are right, and many pro life people would agree. However, political reality intrudes. Much like the gun issue, where a lot of anti gun people would rather there be zero guns in America. Most people see a compromise position somewhere in the middle. 

 

This bill allows abortions up to 15 weeks for rape and incest, and also for risk of life/substantial health risk of the mother. So it is not actually a ban.  More an imposition of responsibility on people who choose to be sexually active. 

Most people do indeed see a compromise position.

 

Leaving women and girls with dominion over their own bodies works for me.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Hopefully they will think about it BEFORE doing the deed.  Even so with this law they are allowed a generous month and a half to stop the pregnancy. Plus morning after pills, which AFAIK are still available in Florida. 

As the article points out, women often don't that that they are pregnant.

And, of course, it's a lesson directed at poor women. Women who can afford the procedure will just travel elsewhere.

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Most people do indeed see a compromise position.

 

Leaving women and girls with dominion over their own bodies works for me.

 

 

If only it were that simple, and a foetus were the same as a polyp.  But the truth is different. Women and girls have dominion, but that starts with the decision to have sex. From that point, the risk of being pregnant must be recognized.

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3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I would not object to law enforcement and other agencies getting involved, with an increase in funding if necessary.  Fathers with low incomes can have a percentage siphoned off to pay down their child care debt.   Men need to step up and accept that their actions can have consequences as well as women.  

Maybe you wouldn't object, but clearly state legislatures do. There's been plenty of time for the same state legislatures that profess concern about unborn children to do something about the welfare of those already born. But as in the case of Medicaid expansion, , the states that are most protective of so-called unborn children, couldn't give a rat's @$$ about them once they are born.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If only it were that simple, and a foetus were the same as a polyp.  But the truth is different. Women and girls have dominion, but that starts with the decision to have sex. From that point, the risk of being pregnant must be recognized.

Or so you, and political/religious extremists assert.

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Those will account for 0.0000001 % of abortions ????

Can you provide a link to the precise calculation on abortions for "for rape and incest, and also for risk of life/substantial health risk"

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or so you, and political/religious extremists assert.

Really, a human foetus is the same as a polyp? Do tell.  I have a feeling there are a few doctors who may disagree with you.

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13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If only it were that simple, and a foetus were the same as a polyp.  But the truth is different. Women and girls have dominion, but that starts with the decision to have sex. From that point, the risk of being pregnant must be recognized.

It's not about the risk of being pregnant. It's about being forced to stay pregnant.

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Can you provide a link to the precise calculation on abortions for "for rape and incest, and also for risk of life/substantial health risk"

Can you provide a link that disputes it ?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, KhunLA said:

Can you provide a link that disputes it ?

Yes but that's not how it works, you made a claim, its up to you to back it up. Unless you do your usual "I DON'T CARE"

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3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Floridians may actually have o practice responsible sex.   No more abortions of convenience.    Should fit right in with Christian values ... or not.

 

Good thing half the state is probably past child bearing age.   Still get their freak on with no worries ... except maybe throwing their back out ????

12 of the 19 million shouldn't have to worry:

 

 

 

Not only is your information outdated, but you managed not to provide a link. Maybe you should leave this kind of thing to people who don't trade in fiction.

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes but that's not how it works, you made a claim, its up to you to back it up. Unless you do your usual "I DON'T CARE"

Obviously I'm exaggerating, as at time of posting, didn't have a clue, and really didn't care, but pretty sure it's a very low %.

 

Not a female, or live in FL, so yep ... 

... I don't care

 

Quick G-search, and correct, the % is almost not mentioning in the grand scheme of things.

 

"Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/24/rape-and-incest-account-few-abortions-so-why-all-attention/1211175001/

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

Under Republicans, life begins at conception and ends in a mass shooting.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Obviously I'm exaggerating, as at time of posting, didn't have a clue, and really didn't care, but pretty sure it's a very low %.

 

Quick G-search, and correct, the % is almost not mentioning in the grand scheme of things.

 

"Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/24/rape-and-incest-account-few-abortions-so-why-all-attention/1211175001/

Yet you made that claim based on the quote you highlighted which was:

 

 "for rape and incest, and also for risk of life/substantial health risk"

 

So even more exaggeration on your part then?

[Hanaguma]

13 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's not about the risk of being pregnant. It's about being forced to stay pregnant.

Only temporarily. There is still a six week window, after that 7 months and then freedom.  

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1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Only temporarily. There is still a six week window, after that 7 months and then freedom.  

Sure.  Just 7 months of an entirely joyful experience that you can't opt out of. And the post partum period is just one brief thrilling amusement park ride. 

[Bkk Brian]

Abortion is essential healthcare and women’s health must be prioritized over politics

The systematic denial of timely access to safe abortion services is discriminatory and reflects a gendered power struggle involving the instrumentalization of women's bodies aimed at subjecting them to a patriarchal agenda.

Unfortunately, restrictions and bans are not a thing of the past. Despite overwhelming evidence showing the futility of restrictions and bans in stopping abortions, and the harms caused, political actors in different parts of the world have been using their power to deny women and girls their constitutionally protected rights and freedoms.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2021/09/abortion-essential-healthcare-and-womens-health-must-be-prioritized-over

 

Why restricting access to abortion damages women’s health

https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1004075

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Really, a human foetus is the same as a polyp? Do tell.  I have a feeling there are a few doctors who may disagree with you.

You introduced ‘polyps’, not me.

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Placate the Trump’s base and signed away your chance to win over the broader national base. American’s broad support for abortion has risen since the overturning of Roe v Wade last June in most polls. DeSantis is in a no win situation to be taken seriously nation wide. 

I sure hope so. He seems like a fringe lunatic. Quite extreme in his views. I am a democrat, yet I do not support anything past the first term, when it comes to abortion, except in extreme cases. Make up your mind.

[Hanaguma]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Sure.  Just 7 months of an entirely joyful experience that you can't opt out of. And the post partum period is just one brief thrilling amusement park ride. 

Should have thought of that before engaging in risky behavior. Actions have consequences. And as the law states, there is still a month and a half window in which to rid ones self of the pesky little cell bundle. THAT is the "opt out" period.

[Chomper Higgot]

52 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Those will account for 0.0000001 % of abortions ????

More invented percentages 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Should have thought of that before engaging in risky behavior. Actions have consequences. And as the law states, there is still a month and a half window in which to rid ones self of the pesky little cell bundle. THAT is the "opt out" period.

Actions do indeed have consequences.

 

Here’s hoping Republicans reap the consequences of attacking the right of women to hold dominion over their own bodies.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Should have thought of that before engaging in risky behavior. Actions have consequences. And as the law states, there is still a month and a half window in which to rid ones self of the pesky little cell bundle. THAT is the "opt out" period.

That's just not accurate, there is no month and a half window.

 

Most pregnancy tests are recommended only when you miss a period. so the window is extremely small and its one which every sexually active women would need to take every month if you don't want a child. Or if you are unsure when your period is due then a 3 week period is recommended. 

[riclag]

16 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Only temporarily. There is still a six week window, after that 7 months and then freedom.  

Im happy to see the abortion issue laws being instituted in each state.

Im also happy for future Lives of Floridians being saved !

Florida is standing up for life and future generations!

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4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Should have thought of that before engaging in risky behavior. Actions have consequences. And as the law states, there is still a month and a half window in which to rid ones self of the pesky little cell bundle. THAT is the "opt out" period.

What BS "Actions have consequences". Some of those consequences are imposed by punitive humans. And if you make a mistake in those places where such conditions are imposed, you should pay by being forced to endure your body going through huge changes for 9 months. But one thing you've revealed about yourself. Your claim to support a 15 week limit is obviously false. So, thanks for giving yourself away.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's just not accurate, there is no month and a half window.

 

Most pregnancy tests are recommended only when you miss a period. so the window is extremely small and its one which every sexually active women would need to take every month if you don't want a child. Or if you are unsure when your period is due then a 3 week period is recommended. 

Morning After Pill.  And for sexually active women, if they are using quality birth control then they need to assess the risk. It is very small, but not zero.  Women control their bodies, they control who they sleep with.  Get the men to 'suit up' if they want more protection.

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

What BS "Actions have consequences". Some of those consequences are imposed by punitive humans. And if you make a mistake in those places where such conditions are imposed, you should pay by being forced to endure your body going through huge changes for 9 months. But one thing you've revealed about yourself. Your claim to support a 15 week limit is obviously false. So, thanks for giving yourself away.

What 'mistake' do you mean? Sex is a choice.  Getting pregnant is also a choice.   You are right that I personally think a 15 week limit is probably more realistic, but if this is what Florida decides, then so be it.  Similar if California decides on abortion up to the day of delivery. Up to them. Such is the miracle of federalism. 

[animalmagic]

Eureka, I've figured it out.  SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade because with all the school shootings they were running out of targets!

[onthedarkside]

Off topic troll post removed

[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Morning After Pill.  And for sexually active women, if they are using quality birth control then they need to assess the risk. It is very small, but not zero.  Women control their bodies, they control who they sleep with.  Get the men to 'suit up' if they want more protection.

Incredibly naive to think that in Florida, schools are not required to teach sex education yet half of Florida’s 12th graders had already had sexual intercourse. Then expect all those adolescents to have adequate information from somewhere.

 

That you then expect a political decision to just switch off access to abortion where overwhelming evidence shows the futility of restrictions and bans in stopping abortions.

 

Upholding reproductive rights is crucial for the health of women and girls.

 

But then you're a man speaking on what they should do, as is DeSantis and his clowns.