EU Diplomats Concerned Over Possible Dissolution Of Major Party: Anutin

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, Geir Rasch said:

Stupid comment!

Thaksin’s and Yingluck’s convictions is pure political. They are no more criminal than the general that stole the government with a coup 8 years ago and the generals before that in 2006.

You should instead ask: How would those diplomats react in their home country if the army made a coup and dissolved the legitim government?

Only because you don't understand it, it isn't stupid.

It is however stupid to call convictions political only because the convicted were or are politicians.

[OneMoreFarang]

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

And Prayut and his cronies are not criminals in your book.  All politicians are corrupt in this country.  Prayut gave himself immunity, now why would he do that?  Dissolution of parties is reckless in my book, and only certain politicians, who are proven corrupt, should truly be banned. Just look at the ones from the PPRP that have already been removed by the courts.

Let's look it Prayut will be prosecuted and convicted. I keep my mind open about that.

 

PT is owned by Thaksin. They party wouldn't exist without him and he is clearly the person who makes the decisions. He is already banned from politics and officially he is no party leader (I think he is not even a party member). And now? He sends his daughter who officially is independent and not (yet) convicted. Just another nominee like his clone sister a few years ago. 

[Wongkitlo]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Anyone know if the EU diplomats were actually democratically voted into their position or not ? Be pot calling the kettle black if not

Although often appointed by a former governments, diplomats would be in constant contact with the elected government and take instructions from them. 

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Anyone know if the EU diplomats were actually democratically voted into their position or not ? Be pot calling the kettle black if not

No, diplomats are not elected. The governments these diplomats represent however are.

[smedly]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Bhumjaithai leader Anutin Charnvirakul.

no need to concern yourself Anutin - what was that recent poll showing for you, 1.5% lol, can you take a hint or does it need to be explained

[smedly]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

Ambassadors and other senior diplomats of the EU community attached to Bangkok, including those of France, Germany, Spain, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands, among others, today (Apr.26) visited the Bhumjaithai headquarters and met with Anutin and other executive members of the party to inquire, among other issues, the possibility of the dissolution of the Pheu Thai and others by the Constitutional Court, either before or after the nationwide election.

lets not underestimate this meeting and why it took place, it is unpresidented and sends a very clear message that outside important observers are not happy with the dirty tactics being played out - if you can't beat them get rid of them ....................... let the people decide who they don't want running the country - Anutin (1.5%)  Prawit, Chan O cha - take a hint  

[Geir Rasch]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Only because you don't understand it, it isn't stupid.

It is however stupid to call convictions political only because the convicted were or are politicians.

You have lived here long enough to know that most politicians in Thailand does things outside the law, but cases are only raised against opposition politicians. So a case against any politician becomes political. Im sure you know it to!

[Geir Rasch]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Let's look it Prayut will be prosecuted and convicted. I keep my mind open about that.

 

PT is owned by Thaksin. They party wouldn't exist without him and he is clearly the person who makes the decisions. He is already banned from politics and officially he is no party leader (I think he is not even a party member). And now? He sends his daughter who officially is independent and not (yet) convicted. Just another nominee like his clone sister a few years ago. 

But still PT is the most popular party in Thailand. Im no fan of them, but it amuse me to see how much it pisses the coup-general off. His plan to get rid of PT has obviously failed.

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Were you here when he was in power? His mug was everywhere plastered on posters to walls....that alone........

I was and "yes" his face was plastered everywhere, especially around Lanna where I lived. When elected, he brought prosperity, investment and infrastructure modernisation to the North - IMO a great PM! His company at that time, AIS, was the first to provide access to the internet for almost all the local population, even in the valleys among the hills and mountains! I can still remember the first AIS mobile phone tower being erected in our village linked to the transmitting system of masts from Lampang. TRUE did not exist and DTAC was limited to the cities. Thank you Mister T.

 

May I respectfully ask if you were resident in the North and witnessed the changes during his tenure as PM?

 

  

Edited April 27, 2023 by Burma Bill
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[AgMech Cowboy]

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

they attempted to steal this election

@spidermike007... like a 10,000 baht bribe into everybody's account isn't 'stealing' the election.  Don't get me wrong.. I don't care who wins, but when the most 'popular' party gets in, especially if they don't need a coalition, that's when the real corruption begins.

[AgMech Cowboy]

6 hours ago, Geir Rasch said:

Stupid comment!

Thaksin’s and Yingluck’s convictions is pure political. They are no more criminal than the general that stole the government with a coup 8 years ago and the generals before that in 2006.

You should instead ask: How would those diplomats react in their home country if the army made a coup and dissolved the legitim government?

@Geir Rasch maybe you should listen to @OneMoreFarang.  I'm not going to review all the charges of which he was convicted.  Just one...  He threw out a completely legal bid and reward of that bid for some prime property in the Ratchadapisek area.  Shockingly, his wife won the rebid of the land parcel (and maybe for a lesser price, don't remember). Charged, Tried and Convicted.  There were other charges.  Thaksin made a  bunch of noise about the 'political' convictions, but as the international community has actually had time to read the charges and results he doesn't get that much support anymore.

[zzaa09]

5 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

No, diplomats are not elected. The governments these diplomats represent however are.

......and corrupted, belonging to the same criminal organisations. 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, Geir Rasch said:

But still PT is the most popular party in Thailand. Im no fan of them, but it amuse me to see how much it pisses the coup-general off. His plan to get rid of PT has obviously failed.

I understand that he asks himself: Who do all those people again and again vote for the same criminal family?

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

@spidermike007... like a 10,000 baht bribe into everybody's account isn't 'stealing' the election.  Don't get me wrong.. I don't care who wins, but when the most 'popular' party gets in, especially if they don't need a coalition, that's when the real corruption begins.

The bottom line should be clearly understood - there is no difference between any of 'em. 

[zzaa09]

15 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I understand that he asks himself: Who do all those people again and again vote for the same criminal family?

Yet, the real criminal family remain silent. 

[Purdey]

All Thai constitutions mention that coups are illegal. The first thing military juntas do is tear up the constitution and prevent legal action, declaring themselves immune. 

The tendency to dissolve political parties that stand a chance of winning lots of votes and forming a government should not be seen as any different from declaring a coup. It is illegal. While some here don't fancy Dr. T as premier, he is unlikely to get to the position without a lot of changes to the law. 

Edited April 27, 2023 by Purdey

[billd766]

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I guess you know nothing about diplomatic language. "sustained possibility" means they're onto something. Ambassadors and senior diplomats are not idiots and this information is coming from more than 6 nations embassies (or consulates) in BKK.

Asking questions? "The EU diplomats were known to have inquired with the Bhumjaithai leader...."

But why would they enquire with Anutin who is the leader of a born loser party?

[billd766]

10 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Anyone know if the EU diplomats were actually democratically voted into their position or not ? Be pot calling the kettle black if not

Diplomats are not an elected position. They usually come from the Foreign Office of the country that they represent, and are civil servants.

[billd766]

55 minutes ago, Purdey said:

All Thai constitutions mention that coups are illegal. The first thing military juntas do is tear up the constitution and prevent legal action, declaring themselves immune. 

The tendency to dissolve political parties that stand a chance of winning lots of votes and forming a government should not be seen as any different from declaring a coup. It is illegal. While some here don't fancy Dr. T as premier, he is unlikely to get to the position without a lot of changes to the law. 

And if PT win an overall majority, with or without a coalition, they also can tear up the constitution. They can also revoke the coup generals amnesties should they wish to and depose the UNELECTED senate.

[MrMojoRisin]

12 hours ago, soalbundy said:

I doubt that, Thais are apathetic in general regarding politics (Bangkok is perhaps an exception) I asked my wife who she will vote for, she said, nobody, they are all corrupt and it will never change, who cares if there is a coup it wont affect my daily life, in fact a coup would be good for us as the Baht would fall and my pension would be worth more.

You asked your wife?

 

For someone so apathetic about politics she appears to have a keen interest in economics.

 

 

[MrMojoRisin]

3 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

@Geir Rasch maybe you should listen to @OneMoreFarang.  I'm not going to review all the charges of which he was convicted.  Just one...  He threw out a completely legal bid and reward of that bid for some prime property in the Ratchadapisek area.  Shockingly, his wife won the rebid of the land parcel (and maybe for a lesser price, don't remember). Charged, Tried and Convicted.  There were other charges.  Thaksin made a  bunch of noise about the 'political' convictions, but as the international community has actually had time to read the charges and results he doesn't get that much support anymore.

You are completely wrong. Your post is a bunch of made up garbage.

 

https://www.newmandala.org/a-response-to-vanina-sucharitkul/

 

 

[SABloke]

12 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I guess you know nothing about diplomatic language. "sustained possibility" means they're onto something. Ambassadors and senior diplomats are not idiots and this information is coming from more than 6 nations embassies (or consulates) in BKK.

Asking questions? "The EU diplomats were known to have inquired with the Bhumjaithai leader...."

I understand "diplomatic language", thank you. However, perhaps you missed the opening of the article which states "... according to Bhumjaithai leader Anutin Charnvirakul." ???? Thai (and other) politicians have a history of putting words in other countries' mouths - they get away with it more here due to poor journalism and those that support it. 

[soalbundy]

43 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

You asked your wife?

 

For someone so apathetic about politics she appears to have a keen interest in economics.

 

 

It's called look after number one economics, sod the flag waving, it's the same way I feel.

[Bday Prang]

19 hours ago, pegman said:

Hopefully they threatened economic sanctions

For the sake of expats originating from the countries mentioned its probably better that they don't resort to economic sanctions. Regulations regarding Visas etc can easily be tightened up.  Why would you wish for that?

It would also have a negative effect on the Thai economy as a whole which would not be beneficial for anybody

Personally I think they should keep their nose out of the business of a sovereign state its got nothing to do with them. 

How would they feel if representatives from ASEAN nations poked their noses into their countries affairs?   Nothing but interfering busybodies

Edited April 27, 2023 by Bday Prang

[spidermike007]

13 hours ago, TigerandDog said:

You really are obsessed about Thaksin aren't you.  What did he ever do to you for you to have so much hate for the man?

The only difference between him and those in power now is this. They are all criminals with the exception that he is in exile.

So one would hope that when all the current criminals in power are gone and convicted and have to go into exile that you'll have as much hate for them.

You really need to get over yourself on this issue.

It would be a glorious day for Thailand to see Prayuth, Prawit and Anutin facing charges and either jailed or forced into exile. They have never displayed much love for their nation, and especially the Thai people, anyway. 

 

Their crimes are likely countless. 

[herfiehandbag]

15 hours ago, Burma Bill said:

May I respectfully ask if you were resident in the North and witnessed the changes during his tenure as PM?

 

Is "the North" in Bangkok?

[jacko45k]

15 hours ago, Burma Bill said:

May I respectfully ask if you were resident in the North and witnessed the changes during his tenure as PM?

I was spending a lot of time in Korat area at the time. The impact of his policies seemed to go further afield and I even thought the average working girl in Pattaya was more optimistic. I always recall the new airport got opened under his tenure, and prior, politics and corruption had held it back!

[Purdey]

12 hours ago, billd766 said:

And if PT win an overall majority, with or without a coalition, they also can tear up the constitution. They can also revoke the coup generals amnesties should they wish to and depose the UNELECTED senate.

Historically, no democratic institution has torn up the constitution. They have rewritten it with electorate support. Remember the People's Constitution of 1997? The first ever that was drafted by an elected assembly. 

[JonnyF]

23 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Anyone know if the EU diplomats were actually democratically voted into their position or not ? Be pot calling the kettle black if not

No. The EU isn't huge on Democracy. Not even the President is elected by citizens of the EU. There are many layers between the electorate and the positions of power. A very convoluted process to give the impression of a Democracy while ensuring the people have no say. No citizen voted for Von Der Leyen and they cannot vote to remove her.

 

In fact, despite all it's faults Thailand has a superior version of Democracy than the EU so it is strange that these diplomats would be so critical. At least the Thais know who they are voting for to lead the country. In any case, these diplomats will be ignored by the Thais. They have little interest in making the same mistakes that is leading to the downfall of The West. The East is rising, free of the shackles of Woke ideology and socialist ideals and a few dinosaurs arrogantly pontificating from a fading power won't change that.

 

 

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

No. The EU isn't huge on Democracy. Not even the President is elected by citizens of the EU. There are many layers between the electorate and the positions of power. A very convoluted process to give the impression of a Democracy while ensuring the people have no say. No citizen voted for Von Der Leyen and they cannot vote to remove her.

 

In fact, despite all it's faults Thailand has a superior version of Democracy than the EU so it is strange that these diplomats would be so critical. At least the Thais know who they are voting for to lead the country. In any case, these diplomats will be ignored by the Thais. They have little interest in making the same mistakes that is leading to the downfall of The West. The East is rising, free of the shackles of Woke ideology and socialist ideals and a few dinosaurs arrogantly pontificating from a fading power won't change that.

 

 

                  Very well put, and lets not forget that the arrogance of some of these unelected civil servants leads them to follow their own woke agendas and not necessarily follow the official narrative of the governments they are supposed to represent.

                   That happened with some UK civil servants recently and when they were called out they started crying and said they were being  bullied forcing the resignation of a government minister. Thankfully the UK appears not to have been involved in this unwarranted intrusion into the affairs of an independent sovereign nation. 

                  The Eu was mentioned extensively in the OP , are the diplomats representing their elected leaders  and their electorates  or as I suspect the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels?