Popular Post Burma Bill Posted April 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 hours ago, beau thai said: so wont the submarines be so detectable at that level as to be useless?? Yes indeed and easily destroyed? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 6 hours ago, webfact said: Bangkok is prepared to accept a modified ship engine to power a submarine China is building A sail ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 6 hours ago, Geoffggi said: Exactly what does this mean - Reading this in its current form it means absolutely nothing .. It means the Thais are giving the Chinese conditions of acceptance. Somebody has tp put their foot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henkjan2 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 They may join the US-navy when China is going to invade Taiwan. China would love that ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gknrd Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 In other words, the Chinese will steal, then copy the plans of the German engine and build it for Thailand. Sounds like business as usual.. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevemercer Posted April 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2023 Of course Thailand needs submarines, the same as any maritime nation dependent upon the ocean for its oil/gas and trade. Not so much as an offensive/defensive weapon, but to train officers and crew and allow rapid force expansion if the worst should ever happen. The most important strategic reason is to allow Thailand to develop a credible anti-submarine deterrent force. To do this, it needs real subs to practice on (and to fight back). 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Gknrd said: In other words, the Chinese will steal, then copy the plans of the German engine and build it for Thailand. Sounds like business as usual.. These engines are already in use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) As I understand it ( and bear in mind I am a simple soldier, and my webbed feet brethren can confirmor deny this), the critical thing about a submarines propulsion system is silence whilst submerged, so that lantern jawed Jack Hawkins lookalikes cannot track it whilst submerged. Now submarines use two methods of propulsion whilst submerged - electric motors which are silent, but depend on the efficacy of the diesel engines used on the surface to charge the batteries, and the diesel engines running on "snorkels". So the critical question is: will the Chinese knock offs of the German engines be as good as charging the batteries, and will the Singapore/Malacca Straits listening apparatus be able to hear them snorkeling as they trundle down the Gulf of Thailand en route to sowing awe amongst their neighbours? Edited April 28, 2023 by herfiehandbag 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said: As I understand it ( and bear in mind I am a simple soldier, and my webbed feet brethren can confirmor deny this), the critical thing about a submarines propulsion system is silence whilst submerged, so that lantern jawed Jack Hawkins lookalikes cannot track it whilst submerged. Now submarines use two methods of propulsion whilst submerged - electric motors which are silent, but depend on the efficacy of the diesel engines used on the surface to charge the batteries, and the diesel engines running on "snorkels". So the critical question is: will the Chinese knock offs of the German engines be as good as charging the batteries, and will the Singapore/Malacca Straits listening apparatus be able to hear them snorkeling as they trundle down the Gulf of Thailand en route to sowing awe amongst their neighbours? I don't know how quiet these engines are but small diesel/electric subs are not expected to be stealthy for more than a short duration (electric only) anyway. Greater battery charging capability is obviously preferred but the efficiency of the batteries themselves is at least as important. Use of diesels, either surfaced or snorkeling means that running silent is out of the question. Even the use of electrical propulsion makes some noise. Submarines near Singapore and most of the Malacca Straits will encounter similar depth restrictions as those in the Gulf of Thailand but heavy traffic background noise in the busy straits would help mask engine and prop noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3NUMBAS Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 will it leak ??lots of bandages needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, 3NUMBAS said: will it leak ??lots of bandages needed I really hope not. Last year was bad enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Iron Tongue Posted April 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2023 All this delay means is that China-Thailand haven't-yet agreed on the right amount of bribes for everyone. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bundooman Posted April 29, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2023 16 hours ago, mfd101 said: But could be useful in the event of war with India. The Indian navy would annihilate them. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundooman Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Stevemercer said: Of course Thailand needs submarines, the same as any maritime nation dependent upon the ocean for its oil/gas and trade. Not so much as an offensive/defensive weapon, but to train officers and crew and allow rapid force expansion if the worst should ever happen. The most important strategic reason is to allow Thailand to develop a credible anti-submarine deterrent force. To do this, it needs real subs to practice on (and to fight back). The more you say it, the more I believe you. Thailand has not had submarines for around 50 years or more. Who will train them? Who in the Thai navy can speak either English or Chinese competently enough to learn just from those sources? Would you want to dive with these guys? Even if they managed to accomplish the maintenance? In a Chinese made vessel with a fake engine? Edited April 29, 2023 by Bundooman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Bones Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 If you tip the sub vertically it would make a great rocket to go to the moon.???????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy one Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 21 hours ago, Geoffggi said: Exactly what does this mean - Reading this in its current form it means absolutely nothing .. Maybe China will offer a roadside / underwater assistance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Dear Thailand, stop getting tat from China and pick a side. Better off with a canoe with an outboard lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Gknrd said: In other words, the Chinese will steal, then copy the plans of the German engine and build it for Thailand. Sounds like business as usual.. not a technician, I think.....you don't steal engine plans and just build it....it is not like copy Microsoft Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 21 hours ago, webfact said: 13.5 billion baht (U.S. $369 million) Divided by - 'Its use would have to be in the Andaman Sea which has a total Thailand coastline of about 949km covering 6 provinces.' How much to protect ONE kilometre of Thai coast and who will be the invading enemy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETERTHEEATER Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 21 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Average depth of the Gulf of Thailand is 58 m. ???? They will save money by having fixed, non-retractable, periscopes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 13 hours ago, Stevemercer said: Of course Thailand needs submarines, the same as any maritime nation dependent upon the ocean for its oil/gas and trade. Not so much as an offensive/defensive weapon, but to train officers and crew and allow rapid force expansion if the worst should ever happen. The most important strategic reason is to allow Thailand to develop a credible anti-submarine deterrent force. To do this, it needs real subs to practice on (and to fight back). To fight back against who exactly? The Laos navy ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 23 hours ago, webfact said: Bangkok is prepared to accept a modified ship engine to power a submarine A submarine is a ship so an engine is an engine. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Bundooman said: Who in the Thai navy can speak either English or Chinese competently enough to learn just from those sources? So you really think there is absolutely no one in the entire navy who speaks good English? What ridiculous nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taboo2 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 What is the purpose of these submarines? They will not last two minutes if the shooting starts....especially with a first class Naval power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 Just now, Taboo2 said: What is the purpose of these submarines? They will not last two minutes if the shooting starts....especially with a first class Naval power. It will not be used, it is the top boy's toy..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 On 4/28/2023 at 10:18 AM, webfact said: The Chinese Navy would have until June to guarantee the modified ship engine’s safety last minute thought, could it be the Russia army commander the supplier of such modified engine 555 Russian army commander arrested for ‘selling tank engines https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-army-commander-arrested-selling-195401327.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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