‘Policeman’ Faces Arrest Over Cyanide Killings

[webfact]

 

by TNR Staff

 

DEPUTY National Police Chief Pol. Gen. Surachate Hakparn said Tuesday afternoon (May 2) that a policeman has been found to be linked to the cyanide serial killings with a request for a warrant for his arrest being made soon while a company in Bangkok is suspected to have imported the lethal poison, Naewna newspaper said.

 

Pol. Gen. Surachate, nicknamed Big Joke, added that a lot of progress had been made in this case with a meeting held today to speed up investigation into all killings, totalling 14 so far, with one survivor.

 

Altogether 10 arrest warrants have been issued against Ms. Sararat Rangsiwutthaporn, or Am, with police gathering evidence in four more deaths.

 

“Police are currently checking evidence linking one person close to the suspect to committing the crime… evidence shows that this person is a policeman who has been previously questioned.

 

Full story: https://thainewsroom.com/2023/05/02/policeman-faces-arrest-over-cyanide-killings/

 

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[ezzra]

5 minutes ago, webfact said:

Altogether 10 arrest warrants have been issued against Ms. Sararat Rangsiwutthaporn

10 arrest warrants? how many times you need to arrest someone? it should say ane arrest warrant and 10 charges are brought/laid against the woman.

[eisfeld]

55 minutes ago, webfact said:

Altogether 10 arrest warrants have been issued against Ms. Sararat Rangsiwutthaporn

First time I hear there can be multiple arrest warrants against one person. Does that serve some purpose or is it the usual miscommunication by journalists?

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

10 arrest warrants? how many times you need to arrest someone? it should say ane arrest warrant and 10 charges are brought/laid against the woman.

Better not give him the opportunity to escape in his Ferrari. 

[mikebell]

I wondered how long it would be before one Thailand's finest would be implicated in the crime of the Century.  After all they seem to be involved in everything else crooked.

[dinsdale]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

DEPUTY National Police Chief Pol. Gen. Surachate Hakparn

I keep forgetting this guy's nickname. Fortunately I am reminded EVERY TIME there is an article mentioning him.

[ChipButty]

I get the feeling there might be a few others getting pulled in over this 

[Artisi]

so hard to follow some of the intelligentsia (so called) posting here, always b itch about the BIB doing nothing, and when they do - i.e., Big Joke for instance they still b itch ???? 

[Moti24]

8 hours ago, ezzra said:

10 arrest warrants? how many times you need to arrest someone? it should say ane arrest warrant and 10 charges are brought/laid against the woman.

Yes, but they get to use more paper!  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

a policeman has been found to be linked to the cyanide serial killings with a request for a warrant for his arrest being made soon

As usual, let's publicize the plan in advance to obtain an arrest warrant for a policeman  (who although not named in the article, presumably knows who they're referring to) in order to give him plenty of time to potentially flee the country....

 

How  about instead.... getting the arrest warrant quietly, going out and arresting the suspect, and THEN announcing the arrest once the person is already in custody!!!

 

The article here doesn't mention it, of course. But it's previously been reported in multiple reports here that the alleged killer's current or former husband is a Thai police commander.

 

"Sararat Rangsiwuthaporn, who is married to a senior police officer, was arrested on Tuesday over nine alleged murders which took place over several years. Authorities didn't identify all of the alleged victims, but named Sararat's former partner, as well as two female police officers, among the dead, BBC News reported."

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/woman-charged-cyanide-murder-13-victims-thailand-sararat-rangsiwuthaporn/

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Bangkok Barry]

“Examination of financial routes, phone calls and other behaviour clearly show a link. Initially, as police have clear evidence, a request will be made to the court to issue an arrest warrant in a day or two,” he said.

 

"That should be long enough for the policeman in question to make his escape," he didn't add.

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

“Examination of financial routes, phone calls and other behaviour clearly show a link. Initially, as police have clear evidence, a request will be made to the court to issue an arrest warrant in a day or two,” he said.

 

"That should be long enough for the policeman in question to make his escape," he didn't add.

He wouldn't get far, they never do unless they have a red bull of course. The BiB seem to be doing a thorough job this time, see what can be done when daddy isn't rich.

[tandor]

9 hours ago, ezzra said:

10 arrest warrants? how many times you need to arrest someone? it should say ane arrest warrant and 10 charges are brought/laid against the woman.

each case requires a Warrant

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

He wouldn't get far, they never do unless they have a red bull of course.

The list of charged or convicted officialdom criminals who have fled Thailand to either avoid trial or avoid prison after convictions is long and illustrious... 

 

The Red Bull guy is by no means the only high profile type to have done a runner here. Of course, you can also count the former PM Thaksins among that list.

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

As usual, let's publicize the plan in advance to obtain an arrest warrant for a policeman  (who although not named in the article, presumably knows who they're referring to) in order to give him plenty of time to potentially flee the country....

As usual, you really don't think that he is being watched and they may want him to make a move, nor that he doesn't know he's a likely suspect and could run regardless of whether there's a publicised warrant or not?

Edited May 3, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[AustinRacing]

3 hours ago, Moti24 said:

Yes, but they get to use more paper!  

There must be a reason for 10 warrants that we may not be privy to. She maybe claiming multiple personality disorder in which case the diligent policemen are issuing as many warrants. 

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The list of charged or convicted officialdom criminals who have fled Thailand to either avoid trial or avoid prison after convictions is long and illustrious... 

 

The Red Bull guy is by no means the only high profile type to have done a runner here. Of course, you can also count the former PM Thaksins among that list.

 

 

Yes, but you have to be rich and have a source of income that the authorities can't reach, most runners aren't so lucky.

[eisfeld]

3 hours ago, tandor said:

each case requires a Warrant

Does it though? What if a criminal already is in custody? Would a case require an arrest warrant then? Honest questions, maybe there's some legal process to be followed. Or maybe it's 10 different police stations in different provincial juristictions because the victims were from there all doing their own thing? Just trying to make sense of it.

[Paradise Pete]

 

Perhaps 10 "arrest warrants" is simply a mistranslation, and the original Thai is something like 10 charges?

 

[tandor]

10 hours ago, eisfeld said:

Does it though? What if a criminal already is in custody? Would a case require an arrest warrant then? Honest questions, maybe there's some legal process to be followed. Or maybe it's 10 different police stations in different provincial juristictions because the victims were from there all doing their own thing? Just trying to make sense of it.

..each new charge needs a separate Warrant as it entails that cases entire facts, when, where, how etc. the Dept Public Prosecutions then presents the Warrant and the facts to the Court who then decides if there is a case to answer, and if so the Accused is Indicted to stand Trial. In this matter the vistims died at different times in different locations. When the facts are read to the court which is like an overall summary the accused has the opportuniy to enter a plea to each charge. At the end of those proceedings the Dept Public Prosecutions knows where they are with each Warrant and can finalise each case. The fact she is in custody is irrelevant to new Warrants being issued..it is the legal process. A Warrant is a legal document issued by the Court to bring the person named before the Court to answer the charge(s) detailed with in the document.

I hope this helps explain it better.

[eisfeld]

1 hour ago, tandor said:

..each new charge needs a separate Warrant as it entails that cases entire facts, when, where, how etc. the Dept Public Prosecutions then presents the Warrant and the facts to the Court who then decides if there is a case to answer, and if so the Accused is Indicted to stand Trial. In this matter the vistims died at different times in different locations. When the facts are read to the court which is like an overall summary the accused has the opportuniy to enter a plea to each charge. At the end of those proceedings the Dept Public Prosecutions knows where they are with each Warrant and can finalise each case. The fact she is in custody is irrelevant to new Warrants being issued..it is the legal process. A Warrant is a legal document issued by the Court to bring the person named before the Court to answer the charge(s) detailed with in the document.

I hope this helps explain it better.

An arrest warrant is not presented to the court. Law enforcement / prosecution seek an arrest warrant from the court and once granted can actually arrest the suspect. The court does not need an arrest warrant to hear a trial. The facts of the matter or not written in the arrest warrant. So no, still doesn't make sense.

[tandor]

39 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

An arrest warrant is not presented to the court. Law enforcement / prosecution seek an arrest warrant from the court and once granted can actually arrest the suspect. The court does not need an arrest warrant to hear a trial. The facts of the matter or not written in the arrest warrant. So no, still doesn't make sense.

I said..... the Dept Public Prosecutions then presents the Warrant and the facts to the Court....of course the Police have to go to the Court in first and present the facts for the Court to agree to issue the Warrant in the First Instance. The Warrant is the main part of the Court File proving the continuity.

[bamnutsak]

Extrememly bad run for the RTP, over the past twelve months.

 

They've won every round of Bingo Corruption, including many new categories (mass murder of children).

 

Could you imagine what it would be like if Surachate wasn't around to clean up these messes?

 

That said, I didn't have "Policeman involved in serial murder" on my Bingo card.

 

 

 

 

[eisfeld]

8 hours ago, tandor said:

I said..... the Dept Public Prosecutions then presents the Warrant and the facts to the Court....of course the Police have to go to the Court in first and present the facts for the Court to agree to issue the Warrant in the First Instance. The Warrant is the main part of the Court File proving the continuity.

You said the warrant entails all the facts of the case which simply is not the case. Also the prosecution doesn't need to present the warrant to the court, the court issued the warrant in the first place. And if the court already issued a warrant to arrest the person then why issue another one? That is the question. Are you saying without an arrest warrant they can't bring the person in front of court in a criminal matter? Is there nothing like a summons in Thailand? Will there be 10 trials?

[tandor]

3 hours ago, eisfeld said:

You said the warrant entails all the facts of the case which simply is not the case. Also the prosecution doesn't need to present the warrant to the court, the court issued the warrant in the first place. And if the court already issued a warrant to arrest the person then why issue another one? That is the question. Are you saying without an arrest warrant they can't bring the person in front of court in a criminal matter? Is there nothing like a summons in Thailand? Will there be 10 trials?

A Warrant issued bt the Court is called a Bench Warrant and gives the power and authority for any person to Execute. The Police who want to arrest/summons a person have to outline their reasons for such action verbally/personally to the Judge/Magistrate whom, if satisfied there is reasonable cause outlined that the accused has broken the law, will then issue the Warrant for the Police to proceed. If found offending no Warrant would be needed. The Warrant once executed becomes part of the Courts Case number and is the main document on the Prosecutors Court file, thus establishing the continuity. As mentioned each new case/incident requires a separate Warrant. The accused who is already in custody would be brought up to the court and the new charge will be read and she will be further remanded without plea. This will happen for each new case added. She will be further remanded on each charge until DPP is ready to have her formally answer each charge and enter a plea. 

A Notice to Attend Court or Summons as we know it applies in Thailand for misdemeanours.

Don't be silly..there will be one trial with 'X' amount of charges all heard at the same time and deliberated on in this matter by 5 judges.

It is a Bench Warrant giving the Police or any person the power and authority to bring the person named befoe he court.

The terminology 'arrest warrant' is just name given to a Bench Warrant. (The Bench is the raised area where he Jusge(s) sit and from where they conduct proceedings.

[Artisi]

7 hours ago, tandor said:

A Warrant issued bt the Court is called a Bench Warrant and gives the power and authority for any person to Execute. The Police who want to arrest/summons a person have to outline their reasons for such action verbally/personally to the Judge/Magistrate whom, if satisfied there is reasonable cause outlined that the accused has broken the law, will then issue the Warrant for the Police to proceed. If found offending no Warrant would be needed. The Warrant once executed becomes part of the Courts Case number and is the main document on the Prosecutors Court file, thus establishing the continuity. As mentioned each new case/incident requires a separate Warrant. The accused who is already in custody would be brought up to the court and the new charge will be read and she will be further remanded without plea. This will happen for each new case added. She will be further remanded on each charge until DPP is ready to have her formally answer each charge and enter a plea. 

A Notice to Attend Court or Summons as we know it applies in Thailand for misdemeanours.

Don't be silly..there will be one trial with 'X' amount of charges all heard at the same time and deliberated on in this matter by 5 judges.

It is a Bench Warrant giving the Police or any person the power and authority to bring the person named befoe he court.

The terminology 'arrest warrant' is just name given to a Bench Warrant. (The Bench is the raised area where he Jusge(s) sit and from where they conduct proceedings.

Thank you for the lesson in Western (US?) law, the problem is this is Thailand and it counts for sfa. 

[tandor]

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

Thank you for the lesson in Western (US?) law, the problem is this is Thailand and it counts for sfa. 

No lesson in Thai Law at all.

I just explained the workings of a piece of paper called a Warrant.

Thailand has adopted some procedural processes from UK law and other Legal systems, see below.

 

Footnote: Thai criminal law is not entirely based on UK law, but there are some similarities due to historical influence. Thailand was never colonized by the British, but it had close diplomatic relations with the UK and other European countries during the reign of King Rama V (1868-1910). During that time, Thailand underwent significant legal reforms, and some aspects of the criminal law were influenced by European legal systems, including the UK. However, Thai criminal law has also been influenced by other legal systems.

Source: AseanNow ChatGPT

Edited May 4, 2023 by tandor
Additional info.

[Pink Mist]

A troll post has been removed.

[eisfeld]

12 hours ago, tandor said:

Source: AseanNow ChatGPT

When it comes to understanding legal matters I don't think ChatGPT which is prone to making things up and presenting them as facts is a good source. I appreciate that you in your last post disclosed the fact that you used ChatGPT to write it. Judging by the authorative tone and different writing style to most of your past posts I guess it was used for the prior posts in this thead as well?

 

Anyways I'm ok if someone with knowledge how these concepts work in the law system of other countries than Thailand because maybe there are comparable mechanics.

[Artisi]

13 hours ago, tandor said:

No lesson in Thai Law at all.

I just explained the workings of a piece of paper called a Warrant.

Thailand has adopted some procedural processes from UK law and other Legal systems, see below.

 

Footnote: Thai criminal law is not entirely based on UK law, but there are some similarities due to historical influence. Thailand was never colonized by the British, but it had close diplomatic relations with the UK and other European countries during the reign of King Rama V (1868-1910). During that time, Thailand underwent significant legal reforms, and some aspects of the criminal law were influenced by European legal systems, including the UK. However, Thai criminal law has also been influenced by other legal systems.

Source: AseanNow ChatGPT

Did AseanNow ChatGPT miss the following  ---"the Siamese legal system was developed to model the French civil system, and is thus primarily statute based, with major Codes resembling those of European civil law jurisdictions. Common law features are also evident  -such as the separation of powers, as are the ancient Hindu traditions."