Charles is King of 15 countries - but for how much longer?

[stevenl]

50 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He can go and say whatever he wants to people who want to hear what he wants to say .

   I don't want to listen to him or read his placards or even see him . 

   He is invading my television space and moaning and complaining about something . 

   He should go and moan and complain somewhere else and not bother everyone else 

I hope you're enjoying yourself in your echo chamber.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I hope you're enjoying yourself in your echo chamber.

I am not in an echo chamber at all .

I can read their opinion in depth in articles , rather than reading a few words on a placard .

   I can read scientific studies about climate change , rather than constantly reading "Just stop oil" placards, (or whatever their cause is)

   I can have a discussion about the Royal Family with real people , rather than someone holding a placard up on television   giving their opinion 

[Mac Mickmanus]

19 minutes ago, RayC said:

If you read the Sky article which I posted earlier, the Republic UK protesters were in Trafalgar Square where the police agreed a protest would be permitted. 

 

The protester in St. James Park was arrested on a public order offence because he had a megaphone and the noise might upset the horses!! Upset police horses who are often deployed at football matches, large demonstrations, etc!!!

 

The police might have stronger grounds for detaining the 'egg protester' as he had stated that he would like to disrupt proceedings.

 

The whole point of a protest is to get your message heard. In a free society individuals have the right to protest and that freedom has been withdrawn. I don't understand how you and others can support this police action.

I would like to watch the Coronation , I don't want to watch protestors 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

You mean like the idiot that climbed on a snooker table and stopped the event and people's enjoyment?

 

You mean like the idiot that glued tgemsekf to the road and created traffic mayhem?

 

How about the idiot that glued themselves to a goal post at a football match?

 

I gave no problem with protests. However, there is a line that needs to be drawn between protest and disruption. 

 

You are one for democracy. I would think the majority of people in London for the Coronation are there to enjoy it. Let the majority have it their way for the day. 

 

 

Again, for the hard of reading, they were not glueing themselves to anything; they were breaking no laws whatsoever, however they have a point of view which challenges the orthodoxy. For that they were arrested.

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

People shouldn't have the "freedom" to disrupt events and cause a disruption and invade other people space .

   They want to cause a disturbance and become famous for 15 minutes and hide behind "democracy" "Freedom of speech" "Grandfathers died for me to be able to do this" "Fascists"

    Freedom shouldn't allow people to be disruptive and be public nuisances 

They disrupted nothing.

[RayC]

37 minutes ago, transam said:

If you were at the altar getting married, would you think it OK that your future wife's ex-boyfriend came in and started a ruck, as you seem to think that sort of stuff is OK, the "freedom thingy"...........?

Or would you stand aside and let him have his say, or would you escort the bloke by the scruff out of the proceedings...?   ????

Trafalgar Square is a mile from Westminster Abbey. It is not on the procession route. If you were there specifically for the coronation then you probably wouldn't have come into contact with the protesters unless you went out of your way to confront them.

[RuamRudy]

25 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I would like to watch the Coronation , I don't want to watch protestors 

But your terms are not codified.

[RayC]

26 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I would like to watch the Coronation , I don't want to watch protestors 

Then look the other way.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Trafalgar Square is a mile from Westminster Abbey. It is not on the procession route. 

It is though, the procession goes right past Trafalgar  Square

Trafalgar square being in the top right hand side of the procession route 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

One person, at least, was not put off by the republicans. Bow down to your betters.

[RayC]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It is though, the procession goes right past Trafalgar  Square

Trafalgar square being in the top right hand side of the procession route 

 

 

I should have been clearer. It was not the route from the Palace to the Abbey.

 

Presumably the location of the protest - which I remind you was authorised by the police - was on the other side of the Square. 

[RayC]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

One person, at least, was not put off by the republicans. Bow down to your betters.

A knight (geddit!?) on the tiles with his mate Maha perhaps?

[Mac Mickmanus]

17 minutes ago, RayC said:

Then look the other way.

No need to , the attention seeking protestors have been removed .

  I am tired of left wing attention seekers causing disruption to many events , they invade other peoples space and just seem to want to get on the news , rather like people streaking at events .

  *Look at me  , I am on the news at the Kings Coronation , I am famous *

[Mac Mickmanus]

28 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

One person, at least, was not put off by the republicans. Bow down to your betters.

You can watch it live here .

If you are a British citizen you will be asking to swear alliance to the King during the event .

 

People around the UK and abroad will be invited to say the words “I swear that I will pay true allegiance to your majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God”.

*Removed link because it wasn't live*

[RuamRudy]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No need to , the attention seeking protestors have been removed .

  I am tired of left wing attention seekers causing disruption to many events , they invade other peoples space and just seem to want to get on the news , rather like people streaking at events .

  *Look at me  , I am on the news at the Kings Coronation , I am famous *

But you being tired of them is irrelevant. You are entitled to be tired of protest but the protesters are entitled to not give a fig. It seems you like cancel culture a bit too much though.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You can watch it live here .

If you are a British citizen you will be asking to swear alliance to the King during the event .

 

People around the UK and abroad will be invited to say the words “I swear that I will pay true allegiance to your majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God”.

 

 

Maybe if Brian was to swear allegiance to me, I might have a tad of respect for him, but as things stand he can whistle.

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll posts and replies removed.  

 

[farmerjo]

27 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You can watch it live here .

If you are a British citizen you will be asking to swear alliance to the King during the event .

 

People around the UK and abroad will be invited to say the words “I swear that I will pay true allegiance to your majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God”.

 

 

Thank you for the link.????

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, farmerjo said:

Thank you for the link.????

Due to the time difference between U.K and Thailand, its running several hours behind UK time 

[cdemundo]

Amazing.

Astonishing.

Baffling.

Seems so strange but maybe just a result of political inertia.

What would be the advantage to changing what appears to be a mostly symbolic relationship?

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

Again, for the hard of reading, they were not glueing themselves to anything; they were breaking no laws whatsoever, however they have a point of view which challenges the orthodoxy. For that they were arrested.

Incorrect. Read through article. 

 

There was an agreement with the police as to how far they would go. They went further.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

I should have been clearer. It was not the route from the Palace to the Abbey.

 

Presumably the location of the protest - which I remind you was authorised by the police - was on the other side of the Square. 

The protestors were found to have devices which could be used to lock themselves to street furniture and that's why they were arrested , others were arrested for conspiracy to cause a nuisance and a Just stop oil protestor was arrested 

 

How embarrassing  for him 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65507435

 

[RuamRudy]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

The protestors were found to have devices which could be used to lock themselves to street furniture and that's why they were arrested , others were arrested for conspiracy to cause a nuisance and a Just stop oil protestor was arrested 

 

How embarrassing  for him 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65507435

 

Devices? What specific devices were found? Conspiracy to cause a nuisance? How is that defined?

How embarrassing for a protester? How embarrassing for anyone who holds a UK passport.

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

I should have been clearer. It was not the route from the Palace to the Abbey.

 

Presumably the location of the protest - which I remind you was authorised by the police - was on the other side of the Square. 

There have been reports of protesters in amongst the well wishers. That was not in Trafalgar Square. There are also reports of protesters going through road blocks.  Neither were authorised by the police.

 

Let's face it, their plan was to disrupt. If that was not their plan, they would have chosen another day.

[kwilco]

On 5/5/2023 at 4:31 AM, VocalNeal said:

https://royalcentral.co.uk/features/insight/think-a-republic-would-be-cheaper-than-monarchy-think-again-40065/

 

France more

Italy more

Germany about the same

Poland the same.

A bit of cherry picking there, aren't you and a totally unbiased site at that ...NOT!

 

Compare monarchies in other countries like Belgium,Sweden and Netherlands. But in fact cost isn't even the only factor - the main factor is democracy and whether the constitutional function is either democratic or valid. Comparing the cost of a monarchy versus a presidency can be a complex issue, as it depends on many factors such as the specific country, its political and economic structure, the role of the monarch or president, and the associated expenses.

In some countries, a monarchy may cost more than a presidency due to the expenses related to maintaining a royal family, such as their salaries, residences, and ceremonial events. On the other hand, in other countries, a presidency may cost more than a monarchy due to the expenses associated with a larger political bureaucracy and the need for more frequent elections.

It's important to note that the cost of a monarchy or presidency should not be the sole factor in determining a country's political system. Other factors, such as the political stability, effectiveness, and representation of the government, should also be considered.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Devices? What specific devices were found? Conspiracy to cause a nuisance? How is that defined?

How embarrassing for a protester? How embarrassing for anyone who holds a UK passport.

Straps on the banners could have been used to strap themselves to street furniture , they were causing a nuisance to the people who were there for the coronation . 

   

[kwilco]

1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said:

Neither were authorised by the police.

since when has UK been a police state?

[youreavinalaff]

1 minute ago, kwilco said:

since when has UK been a police state?

Who ever said it was?

 

You've taken part of my post and quoted it out of context to suit your own agenda.

[kwilco]

19 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Incorrect. Read through article. 

 

There was an agreement with the police as to how far they would go. They went further.

perfectly legal to protest  at the coronation. THe question of illegality rests on what actions  the protestors take.

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Straps on the banners could have been used to strap themselves to street furniture , they were causing a nuisance to the people who were there for the coronation . 

   

You mean the pieces of string keeping the banners together during the transportation?

Nothing says scared, weak and corrupt government like the banning of bits of string.