Eight false Trump electors have accepted immunity deals, lawyer says

[onthedarkside]

 

Eight Republican activists who falsely claimed to be legitimate presidential electors for Donald Trump have accepted immunity deals from the Atlanta-area district attorney investigating Trump’s bid to subvert the 2020 election.

 

Kimberly Debrow, a lawyer for the false electors, revealed the arrangement — reached last month — in a court filing Friday, opposing a bid by District Attorney Fani Willis to disqualify her from representing the large group.

 

It’s the latest indication of Willis’ advancing investigation, which she recently revealed could result in charges — possibly against Trump himself and a slew of high-profile allies — as soon as July.

 

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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/05/trump-false-electors-immunity-00095664

 

[Tug]

Good hope they sing loud and clear exposing all who tryed to subvert our election and democracy old Donnie must be plenty nervous ???? 

[bamnutsak]

I would hope that any "immunity deal" does not prevent any of these 'electors' who are lawyers from being disciplined and/or disbarred.

 

 

[bendejo]

There is an unnamed ninth person.  Supposedly the lady said "if you are not a witness you'll be on the indictment."

For those of you asking why it's taking so long for the Georgia case this might be your answer.  Unfortunately I think GOP Governor Kemp will pull the plug on it, but the grand guignol will be emcee Jack Smith's Federal case.

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

 old Donnie must be plenty nervous ???? 

He is too stupid for that.

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

Unfortunately I think GOP Governor Kemp will pull the plug on it, but the grand guignol will be emcee Jack Smith's Federal case.

Well not before OCT 1 by which time indictments may have already been issued.

 

The new commission will convene by July 1 and put forth rules and regulations no later than October 1. Under the law, the commission will not be able to receive complaints before October 1 and will not be able to receive complaints about misconduct that happened before that date unless it is related to “a continuous pattern of conduct that continues beyond that date.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/georgia-elections-oversight-commission-kemp-willis/index.html

[JackGats]

I don't want to be disrespectful, but are so many readers of this forum US citizens? If that is the case, I retire with eggs on my face. Otherwise the trials and tribulations of a has-been called Trump are of no interest.

 

Our respective home countries all have their own Trump-like, scandal-prone politicians and ex-politicians. Just imagine what a cacophony this forum would be if German, Italian, French etc. members in this forum posted stories daily about Habeck, Berlusconi,  Le Pen etc.

 

Trump? Trump who?

[jerrymahoney]

6 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Just imagine what a cacophony this forum would be if German, Italian, French etc. members in this forum posted stories daily about Habeck, Berlusconi,  Le Pen etc.

As long as they did it in English, no problem.

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7 minutes ago, JackGats said:

I don't want to be disrespectful, but are so many readers of this forum US citizens? If that is the case, I retire with eggs on my face. Otherwise the trials and tribulations of a has-been called Trump are of no interest.

 

Our respective home countries all have their own Trump-like, scandal-prone politicians and ex-politicians. Just imagine what a cacophony this forum would be if German, Italian, French etc. members in this forum posted stories daily about Habeck, Berlusconi,  Le Pen etc.

 

Trump? Trump who?

By trying not to be disrespectful, you managed to post something entirely irrelevant to the topic.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

I would hope that any "immunity deal" does not prevent any of these 'electors' who are lawyers from being disciplined and/or disbarred.

 

 

Immunity deals involve a proffer and in most cases will involve a formal acceptance of guilt, recorded in a proffer letter.

 

The individual admits guilt and the prosecutor agrees not to indict.

 

The proffer letter is entered in the court records and is therefore a formal record of criminal guilt, itself enough for disbarment.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

What I find remarkable is that not only have these individuals thrown their careers away for Trump (common enough in Trump world), but they did so by signing their names on the evidence of the crimes they committed.

 

I can imagine some ill educated MAGA loon doing that, but trained lawyers?

 

What on earth were they thinking?!

[jerrymahoney]

On 5/6/2023 at 11:19 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

What I find remarkable is that not only have these individuals thrown their careers away for Trump (common enough in Trump world), but they did so by signing their names on the evidence of the crimes they committed.

 

I can imagine some ill educated MAGA loon doing that, but trained lawyers?

 

What on earth were they thinking?!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/05/05/fulton-county-georgia-trump-investigation-electors-immunity/

 

The news that some — but likely not all — of the electors will not be charged raises new questions about the scope of Willis’s examination of the meeting of electors, all of whom she previously identified as criminal targets in her investigation. The electors who accepted immunity did so without any promise that they would offer incriminating evidence in return, and they all have stated that they remain unified in their innocence and are not aware of any criminal activity among any of the electors, (Attorney) Debrow said.

 

“In telling the truth they continue to say they have done nothing wrong and they are not aware of anyone else doing anything wrong, much less criminal,” said an individual familiar with the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the case.

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by jerrymahoney

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41 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/05/05/fulton-county-georgia-trump-investigation-electors-immunity/

 

The news that some — but likely not all — of the electors will not be charged raises new questions about the scope of Willis’s examination of the meeting of electors, all of whom she previously identified as criminal targets in her investigation. The electors who accepted immunity did so without any promise that they would offer incriminating evidence in return, and they all have stated that they remain unified in their innocence and are not aware of any criminal activity among any of the electors, (Attorney) Debrow said.

 

“In telling the truth they continue to say they have done nothing wrong and they are not aware of anyone else doing anything wrong, much less criminal,” said an individual familiar with the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the case.

 

 

So, in return for nothing they were granted immunity?

[jerrymahoney]

58 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So, in return for nothing they were granted immunity?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/georgia-trump-fake-electors-immunity/index.html

 

The newly secured cooperators could offer insights into a key prong of Willis’s sprawling investigation into election interference: the attempts to put forward alternate slates of electors to block the certification of the 2020 presidential vote and the role Trump’s allies played in organizing the effort.

 

Other Republicans who served as pro-Trump electors could still face legal exposure in her investigation, according to people familiar with the matter.

[herfiehandbag]

On 5/6/2023 at 10:11 AM, JackGats said:

I don't want to be disrespectful, but are so many readers of this forum US citizens? If that is the case, I retire with eggs on my face. Otherwise the trials and tribulations of a has-been called Trump are of no interest.

 

Our respective home countries all have their own Trump-like, scandal-prone politicians and ex-politicians. Just imagine what a cacophony this forum would be if German, Italian, French etc. members in this forum posted stories daily about Habeck, Berlusconi,  Le Pen etc.

 

Trump? Trump who?

Many may not like it but pragmatically what US Presidents and Candidates say and do matters throughout the world.

 

Habeck, Berlusconi and Le Pen less so; unless perhaps you are one of Habecks particular cronies, have a liking for pretty Libyan teenagers, or harbour a deep dislike of North African immigrants!

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/georgia-trump-fake-electors-immunity/index.html

 

The newly secured cooperators could offer insights into a key prong of Willis’s sprawling investigation into election interference: the attempts to put forward alternate slates of electors to block the certification of the 2020 presidential vote and the role Trump’s allies played in organizing the effort.

 

Other Republicans who served as pro-Trump electors could still face legal exposure in her investigation, according to people familiar with the matter.

If the DOJ doesn’t want to prosecute it simply demurs, no need to offer any ‘immunity deal’, just don’t proceed.

 

If someone is given an immunity deal, they have given something in return.

 

Perhaps somebody feels it in the best interest of their client’s safety to not disclose what was traded in return.

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[candide]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If the DOJ doesn’t want to prosecute it simply demurs, no need to offer any ‘immunity deal’, just don’t proceed.

 

If someone is given an immunity deal, they have given something in return.

 

Perhaps somebody feels it in the best interest of their client’s safety to not disclose what was traded in return.

 

 

It is quite possible they may incriminate someone up the chain, such as Giuliani. Then would Giuliani accept the play the role of the fuse?

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4 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/05/politics/georgia-trump-fake-electors-immunity/index.html

 

The newly secured cooperators could offer insights into a key prong of Willis’s sprawling investigation into election interference: the attempts to put forward alternate slates of electors to block the certification of the 2020 presidential vote and the role Trump’s allies played in organizing the effort.

 

Other Republicans who served as pro-Trump electors could still face legal exposure in her investigation, according to people familiar with the matter.

Well, I guess we could take their attorneys' word for it that they believe that they did nothing wrong. And that they are offering to cooperate in exchange for something that they believe has no value. But most likely, this is just an attorney putting a spin on the matter.

[jerrymahoney]

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, I guess we could take their attorneys' word for it that they believe that they did nothing wrong. And that they are offering to cooperate in exchange for something that they believe has no value. But most likely, this is just an attorney putting a spin on the matter.

 

Judge extends deadline for Georgia district attorney to respond to Trump (01MAY2023)

ATLANTA — Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has been granted a two-week extension to respond to a motion from former President Donald Trump’s attorney to drop her investigation into alleged election interference.

 

Willis was expected to respond to Trump’s motion by May 1, however, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney extended the deadline to May 15.

 

Latham is one of nearly a dozen of Georgia’s “fake electors” who allegedly signed off on certificates purporting to be from Trump electors that falsely claimed that Trump was the victor over Biden in Georgia.

 

https://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/judge-extends-deadline-for-georgia-district-attorney-to-respond-to-trump/article_45a4cce8-e85b-11ed-a494-4faf1f7b5c9d.html

 

(Snarky reply self-deleted)

 

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

 

Judge extends deadline for Georgia district attorney to respond to Trump (01MAY2023)

ATLANTA — Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has been granted a two-week extension to respond to a motion from former President Donald Trump’s attorney to drop her investigation into alleged election interference.

 

Willis was expected to respond to Trump’s motion by May 1, however, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney extended the deadline to May 15.

 

Latham is one of nearly a dozen of Georgia’s “fake electors” who allegedly signed off on certificates purporting to be from Trump electors that falsely claimed that Trump was the victor over Biden in Georgia.

 

https://www.valdostadailytimes.com/news/judge-extends-deadline-for-georgia-district-attorney-to-respond-to-trump/article_45a4cce8-e85b-11ed-a494-4faf1f7b5c9d.html

 

(Snarky reply self-deleted)

 

Given Trump's track record in the courts, what do you think the odds are that the motion will be decided in his (and Lathan's) favor?

[jerrymahoney]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Given Trump's track record in the courts, what do you think the odds are that the motion will be decided in his (and Lathan's) favor?

(both articles 20MAR2023)

 

On a call with reporters discussing the various legal cases involving Trump, Norm Eisen — who co-wrote a Brookings Institution report analyzing the Fulton County investigation — called the filings “invalid” and “borderline frivolous.”

“These don’t make sense,” Eisen said. “They challenge the legality of special grand juries in Georgia. ... it would be like standing up at the United States Supreme Court and saying, ‘This is an illegal body.’”

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-grand-jury-filing-prosecutors-b92649f938006c325d9c6aa68f5cc857

 

Norm Eisen, former President Barack Obama’s ethics czar, said the motion was akin to “throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks.”

 

“Special grand juries are well and long recognized under Georgia law and so Trump’s claim that this one was somehow unconstitutional is going nowhere,” said Eisen, who has co-authored an extensive report on the Fulton probe for the Brookings Institution.

 

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/breaking-trumps-lawyers-move-to-quash-special-grand-jury-report/O4NZXUZONNB75CC4HUDJDIRCKM/

Edited May 8, 2023 by jerrymahoney

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3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

 

On a call with reporters discussing the various legal cases involving Trump, Norm Eisen — who co-wrote a Brookings Institution report analyzing the Fulton County investigation — called the filings “invalid” and “borderline frivolous.”

“These don’t make sense,” Eisen said. “They challenge the legality of special grand juries in Georgia. ... it would be like standing up at the United States Supreme Court and saying, ‘This is an illegal body.’”

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-grand-jury-filing-prosecutors-b92649f938006c325d9c6aa68f5cc857

So you agree with me?

[jerrymahoney]

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So you agree with me?

If you mean do I agree that DA Willis gave out immunity for nothing in return, then No.

Edited May 8, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

No.

Then why did you cite Norm Eisen?

[jerrymahoney]

Because the DA has to reply by 15 MAY to the Trump motion which, if Trump won, would make the phony elector issuer moot as the entire Special Grand Jury investigation would be thrown out.

 

MOTION TO QUASH THE SPECIAL PURPOSE GRAND JURY REPORT, TO PRECLUDE THE USE OF ANY EVIDENCE DERIVED THEREFROM, AND TO RECUSE THE FULTON COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

 

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23718117/ex-parte-fulton-county-grand-jury-03-20-2023-102331-37306996-f8b43da6-144b-4544-ab53-4095c1c5f36d-2.pdf

Edited May 8, 2023 by jerrymahoney

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Because the DA has to reply by 15 MAY to the Trump motion which, if Trump won, would make the phony elector issuer moot as the entire Special Grand Jury investigation would be thrown out.

What's that got to do with Norm Eisen's opinion? 

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Because the DA has to reply by 15 MAY to the Trump motion which, if Trump won, would make the phony elector issuer moot as the entire Special Grand Jury investigation would be thrown out.

What makes you think that's likely to happen? The DA asked for an extension because Lathan submitted a filing of her own and Willis asked for an extension so she could answer both.

Edited May 8, 2023 by placeholder

[jerrymahoney]

Stay tuned.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Stay tuned.

So, you cite Norm Eisen who says that Trump's filing is without merit and, apparently, you believe that Willis won't file her reply on time. And all you can say in support of your contention is "Stay tuned.". You've got nothing.

[jerrymahoney]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

apparently, you believe that Willis won't file her reply on time.

I didn't say that.