dinsdale Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Billybaroo said: I am not seeing when I look at the current composition of the House, how MFP can get to 360 w/o the Senate. Unless the coalition is comprised of MFP, PT and BJ for 363 members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Thai_general_election There are 4 other minor parties not associated with the current regime. BJT would make a 7 party coalition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonEagle Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Haven’t time to read all responses, but it’s pretty obvious the required number of senators will jump onboard to save their soon to be redundant hides…if not they can always bring anutin and his 70 odd seats into the fold if reqd tho I’m sure they’d rather not…that would be a good move for the ganga entrepreneurs who otherwise must be feeling a bit nervous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findlay13 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 20 hours ago, PMinThailand said: People will be on the streets again very soon! If they do ,sadly it might be an excuse to bring out the tanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidneybear Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Good for these senators. They value Thailand's culture, traditions and heritage. I hope they block this progressive disease, and if they don't then others will. 3 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Good satire. But really need to check, the OP might just be serious ???? Although the closing part is more than likely true. Edited May 17, 2023 by Artisi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNROAMIN Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 A fews weeks from now Junta will take over again, Thailand looking like Mynmar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cncltd1973 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 so now the the backroom deals are made, what will it take to get a senator to change his vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby1947 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Who gives a toss, ain't got a brain the size of pea between them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bannork Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said: so now the the backroom deals are made, what will it take to get a senator to change his vote? A conscience. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 hours ago, DUNROAMIN said: A fews weeks from now Junta will take over again, Thailand looking like Mynmar. These sort of comments are now in the double digits on this topic and a few others. And it is nothing but hysteria. Thailand is not Myanmar and nothing like the civil war that is occurring there will ever happen in Thailand. This is crazy talk. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 I see many posts considering the possibility of amending the constitution. Just a reminder: The first reading is to approve the principles of the constitutional amendment. It requires at least one half of the total votes in parliament (375 from both the House of Representatives and the Senate). At least one-third of the unelected senators is also required to pass the motion. The second reading considers the constitutional amendment in details. These shall be approved by a majority vote of parliament. If the amendment is proposed by citizens, the citizens who have proposed the amendment can send a delegate to speak in the parliament. If the motion passes the second reading, there is an interval of 15 days before the third reading begins. The third reading also requires a majority vote of the parliament. However, that majority must also include one-third of the Senate, and 20 percent of MPs from all political parties which do not hold positions as cabinet members, Speaker of House of Representatives, or Deputy Speaker of House of Representatives. https://prachataienglish.com/node/9086 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, sidneybear said: Poor conclusion. I meant it. Still reads like satire to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolong Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 So 250 employees of the junta finally get to earn their pieces of silver. And will forever, as Blake put it, 'forfeit fair reknown'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sigma6 Posted May 17, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, sidneybear said: If you'd like to debate something sensibly, then please go ahead without the daft name calling. This isn't a school playground. You believe that a senate made up of military appointed 'yes men' have Thailand's 'culture, traditions and heritage' at heart? I don't think theres much for us to debate to be honest. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozz1 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 These senators are going to have a lot of trouble trying to convince most of the public after all are army and the really the only thing they are interested in is money and power and new toys not what people think let's hope they come to their senses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, sidneybear said: If you'd like to debate something sensibly, then please go ahead without the daft name calling. This isn't a school playground. At times it's more like kindergarten. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andycoops Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 So really the election was a complete fake and the citizens yet again are treated appallingly by the corrupt. These people haven't a clue what trouble this is going to cause because if the people are disenfranchised yet again having overwhelmingly voted against exactly this sort of corrupt Muppetry. They will be on the streets. Absolutely scandalous and utter disgrace, they should be called out for what they are... excrement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 hours ago, candide said: I see many posts considering the possibility of amending the constitution. Just a reminder: The first reading is to approve the principles of the constitutional amendment. It requires at least one half of the total votes in parliament (375 from both the House of Representatives and the Senate). At least one-third of the unelected senators is also required to pass the motion. The second reading considers the constitutional amendment in details. These shall be approved by a majority vote of parliament. If the amendment is proposed by citizens, the citizens who have proposed the amendment can send a delegate to speak in the parliament. If the motion passes the second reading, there is an interval of 15 days before the third reading begins. The third reading also requires a majority vote of the parliament. However, that majority must also include one-third of the Senate, and 20 percent of MPs from all political parties which do not hold positions as cabinet members, Speaker of House of Representatives, or Deputy Speaker of House of Representatives. https://prachataienglish.com/node/9086 Should MFP coalition be the government, I think they will wait till the senates term expire next year before seeking an amendment. That will negate the possible impasse from the senates. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisfeld Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: Should MFP coalition be the government, I think they will wait till the senates term expire next year before seeking an amendment. That will negate the possible impasse from the senates. Why would a new term for the senate change something in that regard? If anything it's a chance for the military to get rid of any senators that didn't vote according to their wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Drake Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Andycoops said: So really the election was a complete fake and the citizens yet again are treated appallingly by the corrupt. These people haven't a clue what trouble this is going to cause because if the people are disenfranchised yet again having overwhelmingly voted against exactly this sort of corrupt Muppetry. They will be on the streets. Absolutely scandalous and utter disgrace, they should be called out for what they are... excrement. How long are they going to stay in the streets? Who is going to provide the support facilities for them? The toilets, the rest areas, the medics, the food providers? The red shirts had all that in 2010 and 2014. And they I think are a much hardier group of people, used to working outside and not having too many luxuries. How long before university and high school students want to go into a mall for a/c and an ice cream? Even the red shirts ended up with nothing more than a box lunch, a bus ticket back home, and 500 baht. Edited May 17, 2023 by John Drake 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidneybear Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 hours ago, ozz1 said: These senators are going to have a lot of trouble trying to convince most of the public after all are army and the really the only thing they are interested in is money and power and new toys not what people think let's hope they come to their senses You've just defined politicians the world over, of every political stripe. All we can do is limit the damage they cause. That's why there's a lot to be said for conservatism. The status quo really isn't that bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, eisfeld said: Why would a new term for the senate change something in that regard? If anything it's a chance for the military to get rid of any senators that didn't vote according to their wishes. Because the senate is under the transitory provision of the Constitution and the term expiry are clearly determined. Also the Constitution provision state that the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) will select and install the senate. NCPO has been dissolved. There is no provision provided for another body to select and install the senate. Technically, there no provision to rid any senators. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Mist Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Troll posts baiting others as well as personal attacks have been removed. Stay on topic and remain civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidneybear Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, John Drake said: How long are they going to stay in the streets? Who is going to provide the support facilities for them? The toilets, the rest areas, the medics, the food providers? The red shirts had all that in 2010 and 2015. And they I think are a much hardier group of people, used to working outside and not having too many luxuries. How long before university and high school students want to go into a mall for a/c and an ice cream? Even the red shirts ended up with nothing more than a box lunch, a bus ticket back home, and 500 baht. That's a good observation. The red shirts were hardy country folk, accustomed to working long hours in the sun. This lot are pallid lefty city gen Z types, many of who would melt if they stepped out of air conditioned malls for more than ten minutes. They'll also be put in their place and sent for attitude adjustment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gknrd Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 6 hours ago, DUNROAMIN said: A fews weeks from now Junta will take over again, Thailand looking like Mynmar. If so you can kiss tourism good by for good. I doubt that will happen. A soft coup will be more like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eisfeld Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: Because the senate is under the transitory provision of the Constitution and the term expiry are clearly determined. Also the Constitution provision state that the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO) will select and install the senate. NCPO has been dissolved. There is no provision provided for another body to select and install the senate. Technically, there no provision to rid any senators. But that would mean the senate would have no members anymore and the goverment would halt to a stop because no bills can pass the senate if no one can vote. Surely that can't be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidneybear Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gknrd said: If so you can kiss tourism good by for good. I doubt that will happen. A soft coup will be more like it. Tourists always come flocking back to Thailand, whatever happens. It's a great place to visit, and always bounces back from temporary problems. Myanmar it will never be: its economy has advanced way beyond that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, eisfeld said: But that would mean the senate would have no members anymore and the goverment would halt to a stop because no bills can pass the senate if no one can vote. Surely that can't be the case. Perhaps the right time to abolish the Senate as a constitutional reform. THailand had unicameral system before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, sidneybear said: That's a good observation. The red shirts were hardy country folk, accustomed to working long hours in the sun. This lot are pallid lefty city gen Z types, many of who would melt if they stepped out of air conditioned malls for more than ten minutes. They'll also be put in their place and sent for attitude adjustment. Apparently you not here in 2020-2021 student and youth demonstrations when numbers were 20,000-100,000 and water cannons were used. The Gen Z demonstrations were confronted by the police, stood the grounds and fought street battles. Didn't melt away as you alleged. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marin Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, sidneybear said: This lot are pallid lefty city gen Z types, many of who would melt if they stepped out of air conditioned malls for more than ten minutes. They'll also be put in their place and sent for attitude adjustment. You must have missed the street protests of 2021. Thousands in the streets. More than 1000 young kids arrested and locked up for this since the protests began. Including a number of teenagers who were not yet 18. Because of democracy you have the right to an opposing view something the protesters did not. But dinosaurs will soon see the old guard is in decline and the progressives who want a life better than their parents had are looking to achieve just that. When the ruling elite only gets a quarter of the votes cast while the progressive opposition get the rest its a clear sign its time for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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