Public advised to protect themselves as COVID-19 cases surge

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Duhh...

 

Did you stop to think that as the percent of vaccinated increases, the number of dead vaccinated people will also increase, even if the vaccine is mostly effective.

 

What would these numbers be if 100% of the population were vaccinated?

What it shows is an overall reduction of deaths in both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. The virus has changed. 

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

"Less deadly than delta? In some states, omicron caused more deaths"

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/omicron-caused-deaths-delta-northeastern-states-rcna29394

 

 

However Delta and Omicron are no longer major variants.. 

 

"Currently, the dominant variant nationwide is XBB.1.5, with 64% of cases, followed by XBB.1.16, with 14.3% of cases, and XBB.1.9.1 with 9.2% of cases. "The original omicron variant is gone now,"

 

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/what-covid-19-variants-are-going-around

 

 

It's good your taking precautions.  I've had it twice no big deal besides having to isolate from our kids and my wifes elderly mother.

 

I personally don't wear a mask everywhere unless I entered a hospital.

 

I enjoy your posts in any case.

Stay healthy! 

That study may be quite skewed and inaccurate, as they more or less admit. They also admit the vaccines were not very beneficial against Omicron. Tallguyinbangkok is going to have a heart attack when he reads this.

 

 

The combination of high vaccination rates and mitigation measures in Massachusetts meant that not many people got infected with delta and therefore fewer people died, he said.

But those same preventive tactics may not have been sufficient against the extremely contagious omicron variant, Hanage said. (Studies have shown that two doses of a Covid vaccine provide minimal protection against omicron infection, though a booster shot is able to restore some of that protection.) 

 

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by spidermike007

[rabas]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

I wonder what % is down to Delta? I would think a very big chunk.

Delta and Omicron deaths are probably similar. The graph is a global average so individual variants are spread out. Delta did not get going even in England until after the 2nd highest peak (deaths). 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/one-year-since-the-emergence-of-omicron

[dinsdale]

28 minutes ago, rabas said:

Delta and Omicron deaths are probably similar. The graph is a global average so individual variants are spread out. Delta did not get going even in England until after the 2nd highest peak (deaths). 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/one-year-since-the-emergence-of-omicron

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country

Looks like a pretty obvious difference between Omicron and it's predecessors to me.

Sorry something not quite right with the Thai chart. Missing 2020 but you get the idea. Deaths have plummeted since the demise of Delta. I edited out the Australian chart for the same reason. Think worldometer might be having a glitch.

 

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by dinsdale

[Bday Prang]

6 hours ago, BKKBike09 said:

Personal choice. I wouldn't bother if I was healthy and under 50.

 

My personal experience: healthy mid 50s; 2 AZ shots in 2021 (one in UK, one here); caught Delta September that year 3 months after second shot. Very mild (no cough, runny nose, low grade fever for 2 days). Had another AZ shot in November that year only so I could get 2 doses on my UK record, so only had to show one vax document for travel (remember those days ...)

 

Caught it again three weeks ago (positive ATK tests couple of days apart). Even milder than first time.  

                    Similar experience 62 and life long smoker had a dose of covid in the early days before vaccines were launched no worse than a cold,  took the two "almost compulsory" jabs in 2021   March 2022 caught covid here presumably omicron and felt nothing at all, except the pain of paying for 10 days in a quarantine hotel  17000 baht for 7 days , of crap food 1 x-ray and 10 paracetamol ( which I still have)

                    I won't be shooting any more vaccines into my arm unless things take a turn for the worse and they become a requirement again

[Pink Mist]

A misinformation post extolling the Covid vaccines as experimental has been removed.

[dinsdale]

47 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

                    Similar experience 62 and life long smoker had a dose of covid in the early days before vaccines were launched no worse than a cold,  took the two "almost compulsory" jabs in 2021   March 2022 caught covid here presumably omicron and felt nothing at all, except the pain of paying for 10 days in a quarantine hotel  17000 baht for 7 days , of crap food 1 x-ray and 10 paracetamol ( which I still have)

                    I won't be shooting any more vaccines into my arm unless things take a turn for the worse and they become a requirement again

I will never have these vaccines again. 

Edited May 24, 2023 by dinsdale

[rabas]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country

Looks like a pretty obvious difference between Omicron and it's predecessors to me.

Sorry something not quite right with the Thai chart. Missing 2020 but you get the idea. Deaths have plummeted since the demise of Delta. I edited out the Australian chart for the same reason. Think worldometer might be having a glitch.

 

 

Your US data clearly shows Omicron was significantly worse than Delta in the US.  See CDC here for variants. The Thai data is also correct as is my earlier global results for Omicron vs Delta.

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by rabas

[Lorry]

8 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Would posters here advise getting a vaccine at this stage of the Covid?

 

Yes.

I got it as soon as the bivalent vaccine became available in Thailand (about 2 or 3 months ago).

I am in a vulnerable group (like most posters) and I hadn't had antigen exposure (i.e. infection or vaccination) for a bit more than a year. 

 

Rainy season is always high season for respiratory infections,  like influenza. People gather indoors.

For months,  i hadn't heard of anybody having covid - now all of a sudden,  i know 5 people having covid.  

 

 

[rabang]

On 5/23/2023 at 5:48 PM, anrcaccount said:

The level of mask wearing in Thailand is now an absolute outlier compared to the rest of the world. 

 

It is at / past the point of absurdity and really needs to change. 

 

Time to “Move Forward” from face coverings Thailand. 

I watch street walk videos in Bangkok and other cities and it really looks absurd and very rare from my point of view, especially outdoors. If the majority still wear masks a year after the mandate was dropped I really don't know when it could actually stop. Longer term it must have some sort of a psychological effect on people. Maybe not yet, even after over 3 years but if it just becomes a norm where some people don't have the courage to step outside without a face cloth.

[BKKBike09]

19 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Remember that people who die from Covid don't post, so personal anecdotes are misleading.

Remember that many people who don't die from Covid also don't post. 

 

[Dogmatix]

On 5/23/2023 at 1:41 PM, MrJ2U said:

And they haven't ordered any of the new vaccines.

 

I wonder what happened to the homegrown vaccines.  Never hear about them anymore. 

 

 

Chula's tobacco leaf derived vaccine turned out to be a cover for growing ganja before legalisation.

 

[Danderman123]

On 5/24/2023 at 6:01 PM, rabang said:

I watch street walk videos in Bangkok and other cities and it really looks absurd and very rare from my point of view, especially outdoors. If the majority still wear masks a year after the mandate was dropped I really don't know when it could actually stop. Longer term it must have some sort of a psychological effect on people. Maybe not yet, even after over 3 years but if it just becomes a norm where some people don't have the courage to step outside without a face cloth.

It was common prior to Covid for Asians to wear face masks.

[Pink Mist]

A misinformation post regarding vaccines and more has been removed 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 5/24/2023 at 8:06 AM, stoner said:

this is simply not true at all.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

 

What I posted above was absolutely correct, as documented below:

 

There's the officially reported COVID deaths number since the start of the pandemic, which is the approx. 7 million number.

 

And then there are estimated of 2-3 times higher numbers of COVID deaths based on excess deaths during the pandemic compared to death stats during the prior years. Those excess deaths estimates are what yield the 15-20 million COVID deaths estimates.

 

And keep in mind, the one estimate below of 15 million COVID deaths only covered the period from the beginning of the pandemic thru the end of 2021, and nothing tallied from 2022 or 2023, as of its writing in May 2022:

 

14.9 million excess deaths associated with the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 and 2021

5 May 2022

New estimates from the World Health Organization (WHO) show that the full death toll associated directly or indirectly with the COVID-19 pandemic (described as “excess mortality”) between 1 January 2020 and 31 December 2021 was approximately 14.9 million (range 13.3 million to 16.6 million). 

 

 

https://www.who.int/news/item/05-05-2022-14.9-million-excess-deaths-were-associated-with-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-2020-and-2021

 

The Economist puts its mid-range estimate of COVID related excess deaths at nearly 22 million:

 

 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

 

 

 

 

[Dcheech]

On 5/25/2023 at 6:01 AM, rabang said:

Maybe not yet, even after over 3 years but if it just becomes a norm where some people don't have the courage to step outside without a face cloth.

If only someone could tell them. Maybe hand out a bible to the heathen at the same time. Make it so rabang.

[RefinedGentleman]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

It was common prior to Covid for Asians to wear face masks.

No, it was not.

[rabang]

9 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

It was common prior to Covid for Asians to wear face masks.

Another disinformation post but for some reason these claims are always accepted here.

[stuandjulie]

On 5/23/2023 at 7:32 AM, Sharp said:

So if 50% of the dead are vaccinated 

and 50% are not what exactly is the vaccines usefulness 

So you can't work that one out ? 

 

[ThailandRyan]

59 minutes ago, RefinedGentleman said:

No, it was not.

You best do some research.  Many articles out there to prove your view as disinformation.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/east-asian-countries-face-masks-before-covid_l_5f63a43fc5b61845586837f4

“Because of the custom of wearing masks here, it wasn’t necessary for the government to mandate mask wearing for a long time because the public had already widely adopted their use,” said Ria Sinha, a senior research fellow at the Center for the Humanities and Medicine at the University of Hong Kong. (Sinha is currently directing a COVID-19 archive project.)

There’s a long history of East Asian countries masking up.

Just as the anti-mask movement in America goes back to the 1918-19 flu pandemic (yep, there were protests over government ordinances then, too), so does the East Asian inclination to wear a mask.

[stoner]

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

You best do some research.  Many articles out there to prove your view as disinformation.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/east-asian-countries-face-masks-before-covid_l_5f63a43fc5b61845586837f4

“Because of the custom of wearing masks here, it wasn’t necessary for the government to mandate mask wearing for a long time because the public had already widely adopted their use,” said Ria Sinha, a senior research fellow at the Center for the Humanities and Medicine at the University of Hong Kong. (Sinha is currently directing a COVID-19 archive project.)

There’s a long history of East Asian countries masking up.

Just as the anti-mask movement in America goes back to the 1918-19 flu pandemic (yep, there were protests over government ordinances then, too), so does the East Asian inclination to wear a mask.

mass protest hong kong 2019. hardly a mask in sight.....

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

9 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

It was common prior to Covid for Asians to wear face masks.

 

15 minutes ago, rabang said:

Another disinformation post but for some reason these claims are always accepted here.

You have been banging on about this for years, and you have been proven wrong over and over again.  Asian country's have worm mask for decades prior to Covid, going all the way back to the early 1900's.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/east-asian-countries-face-masks-before-covid_l_5f63a43fc5b61845586837f4

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-shocked/202005/why-was-mask-wearing-popular-in-asia-even-covid-19

 

It was already customary for Asians to wear a mask to protect others when they were sick, so wearing a mask was a given for them during the recent Covid-19 outbreak.

[stoner]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

 

You have been banging on about this for years, and you have been proven wrong over and over again.  Asian country's have worm mask for decades prior to Covid, going all the way back to the early 1900's.

 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/east-asian-countries-face-masks-before-covid_l_5f63a43fc5b61845586837f4

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-shocked/202005/why-was-mask-wearing-popular-in-asia-even-covid-19

 

It was already customary for Asians to wear a mask to protect others when they were sick, so wearing a mask was a given for them during the recent Covid-19 outbreak.

video evidence will totally debunk your claims ryan. mask wearing was done by a few percent of the population in asia not a big majority. 

 

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, stoner said:

mass protest hong kong 2019. hardly a mask in sight.....

 

 

You want to hang your hat on that one....

 

https://theconversation.com/a-brief-history-of-masks-from-the-17th-century-plague-to-the-ongoing-coronavirus-pandemic-142959

 

A century of Chinese mask-wearing

Similarly, in China, mask-wearing has a long history. A pneumonic plague epidemic in China in 1910-11 sparked widespread mask-wearing there. After the Communists came to power in 1949, there was intense fear of germ warfare, leading many to wear masks. In the 21st century, the SARS epidemic intensified mask-wearing, as did the smog that blanketed many Chinese cities. The Chinese government urged its citizens to protect themselves against pollution by wearing masks.

 

During the COVID-19 epidemic, some of the first people in Canada to wear masks were people with ties to Asia, who were already accustomed to the practice of masking.

 

[stoner]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

You want to hang your hat on that one....

 

https://theconversation.com/a-brief-history-of-masks-from-the-17th-century-plague-to-the-ongoing-coronavirus-pandemic-142959

 

A century of Chinese mask-wearing

Similarly, in China, mask-wearing has a long history. A pneumonic plague epidemic in China in 1910-11 sparked widespread mask-wearing there. After the Communists came to power in 1949, there was intense fear of germ warfare, leading many to wear masks. In the 21st century, the SARS epidemic intensified mask-wearing, as did the smog that blanketed many Chinese cities. The Chinese government urged its citizens to protect themselves against pollution by wearing masks.

 

During the COVID-19 epidemic, some of the first people in Canada to wear masks were people with ties to Asia, who were already accustomed to the practice of masking.

 

all of this is easily debunked with video evidence. i have posted before. pointless going on about this.

 

masks were worn by a small percentage of asians prior to covid. 

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, stoner said:

all of this is easily debunked with video evidence. i have posted before. pointless going on about this.

 

masks were worn by a small percentage of asians prior to covid. 

Yet they were worn, and it is something folks deny.  It gets old having to prove that masks were worn here in Asia versus the rest of the world before Covid.  Moving on.  I wear one to protect myself when out and about in large crowds, or when shopping.  Most food vendors are wearing them still, as well as restaurant employees.  In fact the movie theatre employee's were wearing them again today when we went to see a movie as well as most of those watching the movie, well the ones not stuffing popcorn into there mouths.

[stoner]

20 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yet they were worn, and it is something folks deny

i have never once denied that masks were in fact worn. i simply dispute the claims on high numbers. 

 

 

[ozimoron]

AP are reporting today that 1 in 10 people who get covid suffer long covid symptoms for months to years after even mild infections with omicron. Symptoms are fatigue and brain fog.

[ThailandRyan]

14 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

AP are reporting today that 1 in 10 people who get covid suffer long covid symptoms for months to years after even mild infections with omicron. Symptoms are fatigue and brain fog.

Niece in the US, who is 24, still has not regained her sense of smell nor taste.  She was a collegiate swimmer, but now can not take in full deep breaths either.  Now dealing with depression as her life has changed and she has to find a work around for daily life. 

[anrcaccount]

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yet they were worn, and it is something folks deny.  It gets old having to prove that masks were worn here in Asia versus the rest of the world before Covid.  Moving on.  I wear one to protect myself when out and about in large crowds, or when shopping.  Most food vendors are wearing them still, as well as restaurant employees.  In fact the movie theatre employee's were wearing them again today when we went to see a movie as well as most of those watching the movie, well the ones not stuffing popcorn into there mouths.

You ever wear one pre 2020?

 

Let me guess No? 

 

It wasn’t common.
 

It was very rare, even all over Asia , to see anyone wearing a mask pre 2020.

 

Calling it “common” isn’t factual.

 

It seems to be a prop to justify those who believe you should be wearing them now - “Asians were always wearing masks”……

 

No they weren’t. It was rare. Uncommon. 

 

You want everyone to wear them now- fine .  But just own your opinion - and don’t try to justify it by revisionist history….