140 Thai women lured into prostitution in Myanmar

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

What about Pattaya, there are tens of thousands there! I used to work in a drug rehab place in Isarn, where we saw and heard many stories that most sexpats don't know about. 

Do you honestly believe that the average Pattaya bargirl has been trafficked and compelled to consume drugs against her will?  You should take your evidence to the authorities!

[Bday Prang]

12 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Amazes me how bar owners promote prostitution always on the look out for ‘staff’ although some have now gone freelance on the dating apps. Some are genuinely looking for security but in general it’s their only way of earning an income degrading themselves with some usually old fat farang for a few minutes for a few baht.

Spoken like a woke feminist, For many of these women it is a career choice made of their own volition, There are a few in our village who have been quite successful in their chosen field of "work" several houses and cars provided by multiple "sponsors"  I wonder how "degraded" they feel when taking family and friends out on shopping sprees to "Robinsons"  

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Do you honestly believe that the average Pattaya bargirl has been trafficked and compelled to consume drugs against her will?  You should take your evidence to the authorities!

Not against her will, but the sexual acts with foreigners, many  who are old/stress of the job forces them to find chemical escape. Despite what many think, young Thai woman do not find old foreigners the least bit attractive.

[brewsterbudgen]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Not against her will, but the sexual acts with foreigners, many  who are old/stress of the job forces them to find chemical escape. Despite what many think, young Thai woman do not find old foreigners the least bit attractive.

That's not what you wrote; you were replying to this post:

 

"Others shared harrowing accounts of being coerced into sex work and compelled to consume drugs against their will."

 

[h90]

23 hours ago, Mavideol said:

I guess 140 did  555

no they complained that they didn't get the money.....

[Neeranam]

8 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

That's not what you wrote; you were replying to this post:

 

"Others shared harrowing accounts of being coerced into sex work and compelled to consume drugs against their will."

 

I was not replying to any post, but the OP.

May girls are lured into the Sex trade in Pattaya, with false promises. Are you in denial of that?

[Jumbo1968]

14 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Spoken like a woke feminist, For many of these women it is a career choice made of their own volition, There are a few in our village who have been quite successful in their chosen field of "work" several houses and cars provided by multiple "sponsors"  I wonder how "degraded" they feel when taking family and friends out on shopping sprees to "Robinsons"  

Obviously a lot of thick foreigners about who sponsor these women, I would say your statement applies to a minority, it would take a few thousand short/long times to buy a house or a car even with a sponsor/sponsors..

I am not a woke feminist, my opinion is many as I have said women and men are forced into prostitution, yes there are jobs but due to the low salaries they find prostitution can provide a better income.

[jaideedave]

16 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Let’s be honest most Thai women are lured into prostitution as needs must due to the poor education system and low salaries.

There's no welfare in these countries.When I left Canada the bingo halls were full to capacity with welfare moms.

[Henryford]

What did they think they were going for? Would a poor country like Burma pay big money just for massage girls?

Edited June 9, 2023 by Henryford

[Bday Prang]

35 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Obviously a lot of thick foreigners about who sponsor these women, I would say your statement applies to a minority, it would take a few thousand short/long times to buy a house or a car even with a sponsor/sponsors..

I am not a woke feminist, my opinion is many as I have said women and men are forced into prostitution, yes there are jobs but due to the low salaries they find prostitution can provide a better income.

               There are indeed many "thick" foreigners around who sponsor these women, it is unbelievable for sure, but are these predominantly western "sponsors" are they all just stupid with more money than sense? or are they also victims of circumstance? 

               Many believe they are in some sort of bona fide relationship, for some it maybe the only relationship with a woman they have ever had.  The houses and cars are not exactly paid for by the proceeds of "short or long times" directly, the "short times" set the trap, once the guy is drawn in to what is basically an illusion, the big money is generated by what I would describe as "additional voluntary contributions" often the result of some form of emotional blackmail.  Those who eventually wake up see the reality of their situation are often in too deep to stop. others may continue "live the dream"  some spend the rest of their lives in denial

                I would bet my pension pot that one common factor all these people share is a complete inability to speak Thai at even the most basic level.

                 Prostitution always has the potential to provide a better income than many if not all jobs available, but that hardly forces people into it. If that was the case the overwhelming majority of Thai women would be prostitutes, but contrary to what many on this forum believe, they are not.

                 For many, it is a career choice, and like all careers some enjoy more success than others.

                 I don't doubt that some unfortunates may have been forced or sold into prostitution against their will and whilst anybody would agree that this is unacceptable, it is a tiny minority,

[Bday Prang]

21 hours ago, NativeBob said:

Friend's Thai GF works there as massage therapist serving chinese tourists. Makes pretty hefty income enough to pay for house for her father back at Udon. Small house made of greyish block and no floor, however she did pay for construction. 

Sounds like "your friend" could do with a wake up call if he believes that

[NativeBob]

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

Sounds like "your friend" could do with a wake up call if he believes that

well dah, I saw pictures of that "house" and seems it was ok for Udon's village. I believe she made that much money between 2021-22 from Chinese tourists at casinos. 

[Mickeymaus]

This can't be. Just like in Thailand, prostitution is illegal in Myanmar ????.

[Bday Prang]

21 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

well dah, I saw pictures of that "house" and seems it was ok for Udon's village. I believe she made that much money between 2021-22 from Chinese tourists at casinos. 

I was not doubting that a house was built, but  I was and remain sceptical of the job title.  "massage therapist"  Even if there is such a thing, I strongly suspect that she was "servicing" as opposed to merely "serving" the chinese tourists , especially with the claims of earning "hefty" money as you put it   2021-2022 was Covid time, was it not ?   how many chinese tourists were there at that time?

Edited June 9, 2023 by Bday Prang

[spidermike007]

This article does not pass the whiff test. Why on earth would any Thai woman go to Burma for a job, with all the insanity, and murderous mayhem taking place there? This does not make any sense. There is far more poverty and desperation there, than there is here. I am sure plenty get lured into prostitution here. But, Thai women in Burma?

[NativeBob]

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

I was and remain sceptical of the job title.  "massage therapist" 

You nailed it, Sherlock!

That was my point: they knew/know exactly what are they going to do. And the sad tales about poor & innocent girls lured into skin biz by false ads, passports taken, chained to the hook in the wall and force fed scary drugs - please leave it. Its only greed for easy money that is it. 

PS: However these is an excellent story to raise money "to save 140 girls from sex slavery". Few years ago they did it for stray dogs though.

[amexpat]

4 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Thai women are all to aware what kind of work awaits them in places like Myanmar , Korea, Dubai, Singapore etc.  Far more aware than anybody posting on here. 

Except you?

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I was not replying to any post, but the OP.

May girls are lured into the Sex trade in Pattaya, with false promises. Are you in denial of that?

            I'm not in denial about such things, but I rather imagine that the false promises of big money are much more common in relation to "working" overseas, where, once the promises have proven to be false, returning home can be difficult, if not impossible, especially if passports have been  confiscated. If they only ended up in Pattaya and things turn sour it would not be that hard for them to jump on a bus and go home. I doubt many are chained to a bed in this day and age

            As regards to Pattaya, i may be wrong but I can't imagine there are many Thai girls over the age of say 14 who don't know exactly what goes on there, along with Huahin, Patong etc etc

             20+ years ago there was a couple of girls in our village who travelled the well worn path to Pattaya completely of their  own volition they were treated like heroes (maybe not strictly the right word)  when they occasionally returned to the village displaying their mobile phones, gold, and all the other evidence of perceived wealth. Other girls were understandably keen to join them, one of them used to charge 500 baht to allow them to accompany them when they returned to pattaya and expected 1 baht of gold from them if they successfully got themselves "fixed up " with a farang , I'm pretty sure a similar situation continues to this day with the current generation 

             Only a few weeks ago a girl returned to the village  from Huahin, and invited nearly all the guys and girls in her age group to join her on a free night out in Surin city, she payed for everything, the mrs's son went along, came home the following day in a right mess lol           

              The two girls I mentioned eventually got themselves married off to english guys and moved to the UK one to Doncaster and one to Southampton, both marriages eventually failed , but both of them have remained in the UK and seem to be enjoying themselves living off benefits and the black economy, whilst staying in their respective council houses. Living the dream !  They still return to the village about once a year. where most of their extended family enjoy living in their "western style" houses, but have no intention of returning here permanently until old age so they tell me

              As I said , I'm not in denial , and I don't doubt that some are pressured into that line of work , but I think the days of fathers selling their daughters and  dragging them screaming and kicking into the minibus are pretty much behind us, don't you ?

[Bday Prang]

5 minutes ago, amexpat said:

Except you?

No not except me at all,  where did I say or imply that?   I'll answer for you    I did not

[Bday Prang]

17 hours ago, swm59nj said:

This type of thing happens in many countries. Not just Thailand.  These women take a chance out of desperation.  And yes maybe in some cases ignorance. 

And the people that condone it or think nothing of it.  They are just as low life as the people that trick these women.  With the same level at stupidity. 

and in some cases pure and unadulterated greed.  Those who consider them all to be victims also suffer from a level of stupidity or are at best very naive 

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, NativeBob said:

You nailed it, Sherlock!

That was my point: they knew/know exactly what are they going to do. And the sad tales about poor & innocent girls lured into skin biz by false ads, passports taken, chained to the hook in the wall and force fed scary drugs - please leave it. Its only greed for easy money that is it. 

PS: However these is an excellent story to raise money "to save 140 girls from sex slavery". Few years ago they did it for stray dogs though.

       Spot on, as you will have noticed, there is a "foundation" involved, and this will be an opportunity to garner fresh sponsorships as well as reassuring existing patrons that their money is being well spent.       As usual follow the money

[brewsterbudgen]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I was not replying to any post, but the OP.

May girls are lured into the Sex trade in Pattaya, with false promises. Are you in denial of that?

You quoted Webfact's post.  Learn how to use the quote system, if you don't want people to misinterpret your posts.

[NativeBob]

23 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I think the days of fathers selling their daughters and  dragging them screaming and kicking into the minibus are pretty much behind us

^^^ good one ) 

If I may add: once I've been on visa run together with half dozen "working girls" from Central Asia. They lived in Bangkok near Suk. 11 (I reckon), some with little kids and often their mothers came to "help with households". They referred this biz as "working", not a biggie.

[Bday Prang]

3 minutes ago, NativeBob said:

^^^ good one ) 

If I may add: once I've been on visa run together with half dozen "working girls" from Central Asia. They lived in Bangkok near Suk. 11 (I reckon), some with little kids and often their mothers came to "help with households". They referred this biz as "working", not a biggie.

Absolutely,  Two subjects guaranteed to get the "pearl clutchers" all worked up , Drugs and  Prostitution, the ensuing  hysteria and virtue signalling is generally inversely proportional to their knowledge of the subjects,  To the rest of us, it is , as you say  "No big deal"

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

               There are indeed many "thick" foreigners around who sponsor these women, it is unbelievable for sure, but are these predominantly western "sponsors" are they all just stupid with more money than sense? or are they also victims of circumstance? 

               Many believe they are in some sort of bona fide relationship, for some it maybe the only relationship with a woman they have ever had.  The houses and cars are not exactly paid for by the proceeds of "short or long times" directly, the "short times" set the trap, once the guy is drawn in to what is basically an illusion, the big money is generated by what I would describe as "additional voluntary contributions" often the result of some form of emotional blackmail.  Those who eventually wake up see the reality of their situation are often in too deep to stop. others may continue "live the dream"  some spend the rest of their lives in denial

                I would bet my pension pot that one common factor all these people share is a complete inability to speak Thai at even the most basic level.

                 Prostitution always has the potential to provide a better income than many if not all jobs available, but that hardly forces people into it. If that was the case the overwhelming majority of Thai women would be prostitutes, but contrary to what many on this forum believe, they are not.

                 For many, it is a career choice, and like all careers some enjoy more success than others.

                 I don't doubt that some unfortunates may have been forced or sold into prostitution against their will and whilst anybody would agree that this is unacceptable, it is a tiny minority,

Boy are you way off in your assumptions. Thailand is one of the leaders in human trafficking, often involving corrupt policemen who look the other way for cash. there are thousands of women,girls,and boys who are sold here and forced into prostitution. Just one linked from Wikipedia....................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Sex trafficking in Thailand is human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation and slavery that occurs in the Kingdom of Thailand. Thailand is a country of origin, destination, and transit for sex trafficking.^[1]Child prostitution in Thailand is a problem. In Thailand, close to 40,000 children under the age of 16 are believed to be in the sex trade, working in clubs, bars, and brothels.^[2]

Sex trafficking victims in the country are from all ethnic groups in Thailand and foreigners. Children,^[3] rural people in poverty and or with little education, and migrants in Thailand are vulnerable.^[4][5] Thai citizens, primarily women and girls, have been sex trafficked into other countries in Asia^[6][7][8][9] and different continents.^[10][11][12] Many are forced into prostitution and or marriage and unfree labour,^[12][13] as well as forced surrogacy.^[14] Sex trafficked victims are threatened and experience physical and psychological trauma. They contract sexually transmitted diseases from rapes, and abuse and malnutrition are common.^[15] There has been an increase in cybersex trafficking in 21st century Thailand. The global spread of high-speed internet and increasing computer, tablet, and smartphone ownership has fueled online sex abuse and virtual prostitution.^[16] Some victims are coerced to be in pornographic films and live streams paid by clients worldwide.^[3]

The government of Thailand has been criticized for its response to sex trafficking. The identification of sex trafficked persons is limited and there is a low rate of prosecutions and convictions of perpetrators. Corruption is widespread^[1][17] and some officials, police, and the military have been complicit.

There are many studies that have been done about this country. Ill informed is one reason they get away with it. Thailand also leads the world with over 35% of children raised by grandparents, which is another reason children are vulnerable. No fathers to teach and protect them from harm. harm meaning scumbag foreigners and some well off locals, that buy these victims. When punishment is severe, this is the only way it will stop.......................................................................................

How common is human trafficking in Thailand?

 

 

According to the Global Slavery Index, Thailand is home to about 610,000 human trafficking victims. For more than two and a half decades, the labour migration to Thailand has continued to increase and it seems unlikely that it will change in the coming years..........................Not just a tiny minority eh? And a lot of these girls are coerced by their parents to go work, doing anything, and send money home.

Edited June 9, 2023 by fredwiggy

[jacko45k]

5 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Do you honestly believe that the average Pattaya bargirl has been trafficked and compelled to consume drugs against her will?  You should take your evidence to the authorities!

If this is true, which I doubt, I expect it is underground and certainly not part of the farang bar scene. Been partaking for a number of years and came across but a small number who were addicted to something or other... mostly alcohol. Nor did I feel there was some trafficking involved. (Unless it is some Woke definition of the word). 

[Jumbo1968]

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

            I'm not in denial about such things, but I rather imagine that the false promises of big money are much more common in relation to "working" overseas, where, once the promises have proven to be false, returning home can be difficult, if not impossible, especially if passports have been  confiscated. If they only ended up in Pattaya and things turn sour it would not be that hard for them to jump on a bus and go home. I doubt many are chained to a bed in this day and age

            As regards to Pattaya, i may be wrong but I can't imagine there are many Thai girls over the age of say 14 who don't know exactly what goes on there, along with Huahin, Patong etc etc

             20+ years ago there was a couple of girls in our village who travelled the well worn path to Pattaya completely of their  own volition they were treated like heroes (maybe not strictly the right word)  when they occasionally returned to the village displaying their mobile phones, gold, and all the other evidence of perceived wealth. Other girls were understandably keen to join them, one of them used to charge 500 baht to allow them to accompany them when they returned to pattaya and expected 1 baht of gold from them if they successfully got themselves "fixed up " with a farang , I'm pretty sure a similar situation continues to this day with the current generation 

             Only a few weeks ago a girl returned to the village  from Huahin, and invited nearly all the guys and girls in her age group to join her on a free night out in Surin city, she payed for everything, the mrs's son went along, came home the following day in a right mess lol           

              The two girls I mentioned eventually got themselves married off to english guys and moved to the UK one to Doncaster and one to Southampton, both marriages eventually failed , but both of them have remained in the UK and seem to be enjoying themselves living off benefits and the black economy, whilst staying in their respective council houses. Living the dream !  They still return to the village about once a year. where most of their extended family enjoy living in their "western style" houses, but have no intention of returning here permanently until old age so they tell me

              As I said , I'm not in denial , and I don't doubt that some are pressured into that line of work , but I think the days of fathers selling their daughters and  dragging them screaming and kicking into the minibus are pretty much behind us, don't you ?

To qualify for benefits the women must have had indefinite leave to remain which takes 5 years, not cheap.

A friend of mine married a Thai woman and as soon as she got indefinite leave to remain divorced him, she is still living in the U.K.

[dunroaming]

23 hours ago, digger70 said:

It's more the problem off Greed . they were promised  big money and got Paid to go there. Now they have to pay back their debt  and have to Work .

One can't fix Stupid .

For years and years girls have been procured from villages in Thailand to go and work abroad for promises of good money.  Although they are told stories of good jobs many of them realise that it is actually sex work, but the lure of the money and the encouragement of their family to go plays a big part in their decision to go.  The hook is then the debt they incur for their travel, which has to be repaid many times over.

 

I am a little surprised to hear that the girls have been trafficked to Shan State in Myanmar though, obviously they are being taken to work near the casinos near the Chinese border which cater for Chinese gamblers.

[Hummin]

30 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

For years and years girls have been procured from villages in Thailand to go and work abroad for promises of good money.  Although they are told stories of good jobs many of them realise that it is actually sex work, but the lure of the money and the encouragement of their family to go plays a big part in their decision to go.  The hook is then the debt they incur for their travel, which has to be repaid many times over.

 

I am a little surprised to hear that the girls have been trafficked to Shan State in Myanmar though, obviously they are being taken to work near the casinos near the Chinese border which cater for Chinese gamblers.

Sad to see so many doubt girls getting trappend in deals like this, and continue to defend their bad moral, by laying the responsibility on the poor girls. 

 

Sad statue, sad man

[dunroaming]

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Sad to see so many doubt girls getting trappend in deals like this, and continue to defend their bad moral, by laying the responsibility on the poor girls. 

 

Sad statue, sad man

I don't blame the girls. I blame the families for often pushing the girls into it.  Nothing new though.  The first time I came across it was twenty five years ago  when my then girlfriends cousin was trafficked to Singapore.  The girl's mother knew exactly what was involved but sent her with the promise that money would be sent home every month.  The father was kept in the dark but eventually found out and all hell let loose!