Brexit was Johnson and Johnson was Brexit. Now that he has gone, Britain must think again

[dunroaming]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Taken out of context.

 

He meant it should have been a harder Brexit which would have reaped even more rewards.

 

But you already knew that.

But there aren't any rewards and never could be.  Brexit promises were a series of lies and exaggerations that could never be realised.  But more people believed the lies and therefore Brexit won the vote.

 

So the politicians can keep flogging a dead horse to try to save face but it won't do any good. Immigration is way up, both legal and illegal, the NHS is on it's knees (remember the bus?) Dover is grid locked most of the time with twelve hour queues, the price of food is through the roof, inflation is off the scale and interest rates are rapidly heading for Armageddon.  Oh and let's not forget that  the EU laws we abided by before Brexit are all still firmly in place.

 

The only way that the Conservatives can survive the next election is to clear out all the nodding dogs, admit publicly that Brexit was a massive mistake and start negotiating a way back in.  The EU have said we are welcome back any time.  If Sunak doesn't step then they are probably done for and none of us want to end up with Starmer in Downing Street.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, candide said:

So, as usual, when Brexiters complain about EU laws, they are not able to cite any to substantiate their came.

How are any of them any use to SME's in the UK now?

[nauseus]

36 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

But there aren't any rewards and never could be.  Brexit promises were a series of lies and exaggerations that could never be realised.  But more people believed the lies and therefore Brexit won the vote.

 

So the politicians can keep flogging a dead horse to try to save face but it won't do any good. Immigration is way up, both legal and illegal, the NHS is on it's knees (remember the bus?) Dover is grid locked most of the time with twelve hour queues, the price of food is through the roof, inflation is off the scale and interest rates are rapidly heading for Armageddon.  Oh and let's not forget that  the EU laws we abided by before Brexit are all still firmly in place.

 

The only way that the Conservatives can survive the next election is to clear out all the nodding dogs, admit publicly that Brexit was a massive mistake and start negotiating a way back in.  The EU have said we are welcome back any time.  If Sunak doesn't step then they are probably done for and none of us want to end up with Starmer in Downing Street.

SOS different year.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Goat said:

The only country in history to actually vote for sanctions to be placed on themselves.

Go back to eating newspapers.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

For those still quoting the 52% majority you were sold a dog by a liar

 

As there are no massive free trade deals immigration is an all time high the NHS is on its knees inflation is through the roof along with mortgages SME's are strangled with red tape the pound is still a shadow manufacturing has collapsed ex pats in Europe face fees and restrictions and even expulsions and trade in the block at an all time low all the Brexit leaders should be swinging off tower bridge for treason ????  

Inane cobblers. Treason would have been a word to use if the vote to leave had been ignored.

Edited June 16, 2023 by nauseus

[candide]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

How are any of them any use to SME's in the UK now?

You made a claim you are not able to back. 

[vinny41]

EU judges quash Remainer hopes of scrapping Brexit deal

The EU’s top court rules that loss of rights for UK citizens cannot be blamed on the Council of the EU.
It’s another cold shower for the anti-Brexiteers. On Thursday morning the EU’s top court dismissed the latest long-shot Remainer dream of turning back the clock on Brexit.

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-judges-quash-again-remainer-hopes-of-scrapping-brexit-deal/

[brewsterbudgen]

2 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

The old cliques are the best, have you used the 'they were too stupid to know what they were voting for' yet, it must be time to drag that one out.

Indeed. There's no doubt that there's a degree of truth in that as many now admit.

[Thingamabob]

Way too early to make any judgement as to whether Brexit has failed or is a success. 

[brewsterbudgen]

6 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Way too early to make any judgement as to whether Brexit has failed or is a success. 

Hmm. Try telling that to those who have lost their businesses or jobs, or been split from their family.  Can it get any worse?

[sammieuk1]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Inane cobblers. Treason would have been a word to use if the vote to leave had been ignored.

You are very funny today ????

[sammieuk1]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

That of course is just your opinion.

 

Others may differ.

Shame about that for sure ????

[metisdead]

A post with misquoted content has been removed.

[Jeff the Chef]

6 hours ago, TheFishman1 said:

He reminded me of a little Trump

When I was a kid a small Trump was a quiet fart, normally brought tears to your eyes :-}

Edited June 16, 2023 by Jeff the Chef

[RayC]

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

And yet the German economy and the EU economy as a whole is in recession while the UK economy grows.

 

You've got nothing.

That might be true based on the previous two quarters but the difference in the respective growth rates is marginal. 

 

It may also be true that Brexit has had a negative effect on the EU economy, although I don't see that as a reason for celebration. It appears that Barnier's prediction that there are no winners from Brexit was quite perceptive.

 

However, what is more telling is the performance of the EU and UK since Brexit and since the referendum. By most criteria, the UK has been harder hit.

 

Didn't you Brexiters tell us remainers that they (the EU) need us (the UK) more than we need them. The medium-term data seems to indicate the opposite.

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2022/06/uk-economy-fallen-behind-eu-since-brexit

 

https://www.cer.eu/insights/cost-brexit-june-2022

 

https://www.civilservant.org.uk/eu-uk_economy_after_brexit_referendum.html

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Way too early to make any judgement as to whether Brexit has failed or is a success. 

So when would be a suitable time to make a judgement? What criteria would you suggest using?

[Scott]

Troll post removed.

 

[goldenbrwn1]

6 hours ago, Drumbuie said:

I am currently in the UK visiting relatives and I can tell you that whatever that article says, the economy is NOT thriving post Brexit. Food is unbelievably expensive, most households are struggling to get by. My son who earns a very good salary says he can no longer save any of it due to mortgage interest increases and skyrocjeting fuel and food bills. Inflation is outstripping wage increases ( if any)  and anyone who isn't a millionaire is finding life increasingly challenging.

Brexit is a continuing disaster - hundreds of small businesses closing as they can't export to our nearest and biggest market due to the paperwork involved and the increased cost and duration of transport, others because they can't get workers from the EU any more.  Meanwhile the number of immigrants has actually *increased* - so much for the much vaunted  "controlling our borders" slogan.  

Yeh this is because of Brexit .  Maybe better off in an EU country … oh maybe not ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 hours ago, dunroaming said:

But there aren't any rewards and never could be.  Brexit promises were a series of lies and exaggerations that could never be realised.  But more people believed the lies and therefore Brexit won the vote.

 

So the politicians can keep flogging a dead horse to try to save face but it won't do any good. Immigration is way up, both legal and illegal, the NHS is on it's knees (remember the bus?) Dover is grid locked most of the time with twelve hour queues, the price of food is through the roof, inflation is off the scale and interest rates are rapidly heading for Armageddon.  Oh and let's not forget that  the EU laws we abided by before Brexit are all still firmly in place.

 

The only way that the Conservatives can survive the next election is to clear out all the nodding dogs, admit publicly that Brexit was a massive mistake and start negotiating a way back in.  The EU have said we are welcome back any time.  If Sunak doesn't step then they are probably done for and none of us want to end up with Starmer in Downing Street.

If that was the case, a U.K Political party getting elected on the "Re-join the E.U* party line , why have none of the Political parties took that stance ?

   Labour have rejected the idea of Re-joining the E.U , why don't any of the smaller parties run with that policy ?

   For better or worse, the U.K has left the E.U and moved on and getting on with it and will not be re-joining anytime soon 

  

[placeholder]

28 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

If that was the case, a U.K Political party getting elected on the "Re-join the E.U* party line , why have none of the Political parties took that stance ?

   Labour have rejected the idea of Re-joining the E.U , why don't any of the smaller parties run with that policy ?

   For better or worse, the U.K has left the E.U and moved on and getting on with it and will not be re-joining anytime soon 

  

Well, since the trend of public opinion seems to be heading towards rejoining the EU, why not wait and let it gather more strength?

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

So when would be a suitable time to make a judgement? What criteria would you suggest using?

Another member who's a Brexit supporter recently claimed that we would have to wait 50 years to know whether it was a success or not! 

[Mac Mickmanus]

24 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, since the trend of public opinion seems to be heading towards rejoining the EU, why not wait and let it gather more strength?

What is that based on ?

(The bit about Brits wanting to re-join the E.U. ) ?

Where does that info come from ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

24 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Another member who's a Brexit supporter recently claimed that we would have to wait 50 years to know whether it was a success or not! 

That was 3 months ago, so now its 49 years and 9 months left to wait until we can judge Brexit 

[placeholder]

8 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What is that based on ?

(The bit about Brits wanting to re-join the E.U. ) ?

Where does that info come from ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_United_Kingdom_rejoining_the_European_Union_(2020–present)

[nauseus]

14 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

You are very funny today ????

You are very funny every day.

[Wobblybob]

11 hours ago, placeholder said:

Another member who's a Brexit supporter recently claimed that we would have to wait 50 years to know whether it was a success or not! 

Hearsay........link please!

[BritManToo]

15 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Hmm. Try telling that to those who have lost their businesses or jobs, or been split from their family.  Can it get any worse?

Would have thought job losses more to do with COVID restrictions that lasted 2 years.

Don't see how Brexit split any families.

Brit economy seems stronger than most of the EU countries.

Inflation is rampant everywhere.

Interest rates have always been 6-8%, if you were stupid enough to buy a house believing 1-2% would continue, I don't have much sympathy.

 

As far as I can see the only negative effect of Brexit (for the general Brit population) is it's harder to retire to Spain or France.

 

PS.

I'm not a Brexit supporter as I wanted to live in France, and now I can't.

Edited June 17, 2023 by BritManToo

[vinny41]

Would Europe want us back?

Rishi Sunak believes there’s no way back to the EU. Three years after we officially left, the feeling’s increasingly mutual

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/would-europe-want-us-back-dave-keating/

[transam]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

Another member who's a Brexit supporter recently claimed that we would have to wait 50 years to know whether it was a success or not! 

Link, please...............????

[Chomper Higgot]

17 hours ago, nauseus said:

How are any of them any use to SME's in the UK now?

Because businesses in the UK need to comply with EU laws, regulations and standards when doing business with the EU.

 

If the UK Government does not apply those laws, regulations and standards then the UK businesses trading with the EU have two options:

 

1. Submit to EU inspections and controls in order to trade their goods and services with the EU (additional cost and delays)

 

or

 

2. Cease trading with the EU (loss of business).

 

 

Edited June 17, 2023 by Chomper Higgot