Two Germans Arrested In Murder Of Businessman

[redwood1]

15 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

If it was an accident, wouldn't they just call the police and say there has been a terrible accident. Maybe there are obvious signs that it was murder, knife wounds, a murder weapon etc.

Yea....They could tell the police, he sliped on a banana peel and accidentally cut his body into pieces and then fell into a freezer.......Its all just one big accident..

Edited July 12, 2023 by redwood1

[JayClay]

15 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Maybe there are obvious signs that it was murder, knife wounds, a murder weapon etc.

Being cut up and stored in a freezer, perhaps?

[Ohyesuare]

42 minutes ago, Homburg said:

RIP Mr Hans-Peter Mack.  What is surprising in this case is the BIB apparently doing real police work. Amazing Thailand.

Is it that surprising when the victim and their family is wealthy and a 3 million baht reward offered to garner publicity?

[jesimps]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

Isn't that obvious ? The body will need to be disposed of, bit by bit, arrangements to be taken elsewhere etc. But in the meantime it will start to smell.

There has been other commentary that the freezer wasn't plugged in, its just a box that's big enough to store and transport a body, without raising suspicion

Can't understand them being so daft as to hire a couple to transport the freezer. They got suspicious and contacted the police and I reckon that's what broke the case open.

Edited July 12, 2023 by jesimps

[bamnutsak]

Mrs. Petra Christl Grundgreif

 

https://www.thairath.co.th/news/crime/2708683

 

 

[webfact]

Suspects in murder of German businessman arrested in Bangkok Tuesday night

 

 

Olaf Thorsten Brinkmann, one of the suspects in the murder of German businessman Hans Peter Mack, was arrested Tuesday night in the On Nut district of Bangkok. He was immediately taken for questioning to Nong-Prue police station in Chonburi province, the district in which Mack’s body was discovered.

 

Another suspect, Petra Christl Grundgreif, had turned herself in during the afternoon. She is charged as a co-conspirator in the murder and concealing, transporting and dismemberment of a body.

 

Petra was interrogated for 5 hours, then her visa was cancelled and she was denied bail. She is thought to have acted as a decoy, to lure Mack to his death.

 

Another suspect in the case is Nicole Frevel, a German National who was renting the house in which the victim’s dismembered body was found. She was interrogated after being released from hospital, where she was treated for an apparently self-inflicted wound on her wrist. She claims to have been forced to keep the freezer in her house and was told to not touch it.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/suspects-in-murder-of-german-businessman-arrested-in-bangkok-tuesday-night/

 

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[EVENKEEL]

15 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Mrs. Petra Christl Grundgreif

 

https://www.thairath.co.th/news/crime/2708683

 

 

Looks like Olaf had his hands full with that frauline.

[renaissanc]

The murderers clearly don't watch Thai TV News programmes because if they did, they would know that there are CCTV cameras all over the place. They make it easy for the Police to find criminals. ... Just to think that they did this for money, which doesn't make you happy. Now they will spend 20 years in a Hell-hole Thai jail. When they are released they will be broke and unemployed, and maybe homeless and friendless too. With honesty they might have been able to earn the money they got within a few months or a year anyway.

[actonion]

Surely this one deserves the death penalty

[steven100]

1 hour ago, norfolkandchance said:

Easy to cut up then. Maybe.

no .....  you have to cut the legs off and the head and the arms otherwise it won't fit in the freezer.  The electric chainsaw was the answer for that job.   Cut the chunks small enough to fit into garbage bags then freeze.

[Pharoticus]

I've said this before: if you stay within the law in Thailand and avoid bargirls and others foreigners, you should be safe. 

 

When meeting foreigners, be VERY cautious. Many or most of them are liars, crooks, scammers, perverts, mentally disturbed, psychopaths / sociopaths, drug addicts, etc. 

 

Never believe what foreigners tell you. Play it cool. If the foreigner is telling you the truth about his current or former career, it'll become evident soon enough. Don't rush into new friendships or stupid business deals. 

 

In almost all cases, avoid business deals with Thais. Keep yourself to yourself and you won't go wrong. 

 

Be happy! Enjoy Thailand.  

[steven100]

So was he killed for his money ....  to get his money from his account ?   or was he killed because of a business deal that went wrong ?     and is a Pakistani also involved in the murder ?     thanks

[Tarteso]

Petra Christl ..

 

 

Jesus! 

Edited July 12, 2023 by Tarteso

[Bangkok Barry]

She had an active arrest warrant for alleged involvement in the murder and dismembering of German businessman Hans Peter Mack

Police stress, however, she is not a suspect.

 

If she isn't a suspect why was there an arrest warrant?

 

[Bangkok Barry]

25 minutes ago, renaissanc said:

The murderers clearly don't watch Thai TV News programmes because if they did, they would know that there are CCTV cameras all over the place.

It is amazing how many people still forget there is CCTV everywhere. My favourite story is of a Thai woman who owned a dress shop and who installed CCTV to catch shoplifters. Instead, it caught her stealing from a customer's bag while that customer was in a booth trying on a dress.

[Marco51]

I am sure if we all keep speculating and making comments of the rather less intellectual kind we shall jointly get to the bottom of this . JfCh , people , get a life and be real. It's one of many criminal cases , top news today, completely different , small print back page story tomorrow. Until the next Oraf strangulates another possibly crooked real estate magnate....Samui, was it?

A few hundred kilometers east or west dozens to hundreds of POOR people get killed for nothing every day, but for the greed and powerhungry juntas and some sadistic fun. Strangely that is rarely worth headlines . Have our priorities gone wrong somewhere?

[AustinRacing]

Udin evaded capture. Does Udin in Pakistani translate to Houdini by any chance? Just curious. 

[ignore it]

What a sloppy amateur hit.

 

And what was the motive?

[redwood1]

7 minutes ago, ignore it said:

What a sloppy amateur hit.

 

And what was the motive?

I wonder if his 19 year old wife was involved in this..

[Mr Dome]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

[...] arrested Mr. Oraf Thorsten Brinkmann, German, this evening, July 11th, 2023. Oraf, sometimes called Olaf, [...]

This made me chuckle, how a regional issue with correctly pronouncing a consonant relegates his correct name to "also" status.

 

Also, if you need to make a body disappear, freezers really aren't safe options. ????

[onthedarkside]

An inflammatory unsubstantiated post removed

[bobbin]

58 minutes ago, Pharoticus said:

I've said this before: if you stay within the law in Thailand and avoid bargirls and others foreigners, you should be safe. 

 

When meeting foreigners, be VERY cautious. Many or most of them are liars, crooks, scammers, perverts, mentally disturbed, psychopaths / sociopaths, drug addicts, etc. 

 

Never believe what foreigners tell you. Play it cool. If the foreigner is telling you the truth about his current or former career, it'll become evident soon enough. Don't rush into new friendships or stupid business deals. 

 

In almost all cases, avoid business deals with Thais. Keep yourself to yourself and you won't go wrong. 

 

Be happy! Enjoy Thailand.  

So.. no friends, no bar girls, no foreigners, no business with Thais...

 

Your world, based on your long experience in Thailand, must be a strange and lonely place.

Edited July 12, 2023 by bobbin
spelling

[proton]

3 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I used to live in this estate they kept him in - in reality its only about 100m from me now. Very cheap estate, 9,000 baht month for 2 bed house, mostly Thais since we moved out. Seems very strange for them to use this house whilst doing multi million $ deals.

Looked it up, about the cheapest type of house you can get, would not pay 9k to live there, slum really.

[jaideedave]

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

so olaf was the mastermind. who drove the getaway car? 

maybe the <deleted>?

[Hokeus]

1 hour ago, Pharoticus said:

I've said this before: if you stay within the law in Thailand and avoid bargirls and others foreigners, you should be safe. 

 

When meeting foreigners, be VERY cautious. Many or most of them are liars, crooks, scammers, perverts, mentally disturbed, psychopaths / sociopaths, drug addicts, etc. 

 

Never believe what foreigners tell you. Play it cool. If the foreigner is telling you the truth about his current or former career, it'll become evident soon enough. Don't rush into new friendships or stupid business deals. 

 

In almost all cases, avoid business deals with Thais. Keep yourself to yourself and you won't go wrong. 

 

Be happy! Enjoy Thailand.  

So to summarize, your suggesting not to have contact (more or less) with anyone other than maybe some necessary food vendors, otherwise just keep yourself to yourself for general safety reasons, and then you should be happy, thus leading to lots of enjoyment in LOS?

[Jeff the Chef]

2 hours ago, redwood1 said:

The freezing is the strange part of this story......Why the heck would anyone want to freeze a body?

You're always gonna have problems lifting a body in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together, and when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig <deleted>, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

to get his money from his account ?

This one.

 

The authorities already said Mr. Mack's accounts had been the subject of multiple 200,000 transfers, some of which went to Olaf's account.

 

So kidnapping, with self-ransom. Quite frequent here.

 

When the police are involved in the kidnapping, the victim usually survives. Bike gangs, maybe not.

 

 

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

If she isn't a suspect why was there an arrest warrant?

I'm under the impression, from Thai articles, that Ms. Grundgreif was the person who lured Mack into a place where he could be grabbed?

 

The other woman involved sounds like she was just living at the fridge house, and that she may have attempted suicide?

 

 

[jaideedave]

2 hours ago, redwood1 said:

Yea....They could tell the police, he sliped on a banana peel and accidentally cut his body into pieces and then fell into a freezer.......Its all just one big accident..

Red , you just made my day.I love your response to the mundane question..lol

[Hokeus]

3 hours ago, redwood1 said:

The freezing is the strange part of this story......Why the heck would anyone want to freeze a body?

Presumably as a means of storage until investigations and searches have subsided and then to quietly dispose of it later. Seems like the only logical reason, but I could be wrong. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by Hokeus
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