I have as much  - no more, no less - of an understanding of what is right and what is wrong, as anyone else I think, though that understanding - for my part anyway, I confess ???? - may all too often refer only to that which accords with my own beliefs (tbh), but even so....also that which is considered to be in accord with more widely & generally accepted norms. Such is life.

 

But to see the hustle-fest of power-grabbing, opportunistic Thai political soi-dogs horse-trading their way into positions of power they can only usurp but never deserve, bleeds my soul of hope. 

 

The political establishment of Thailand (not to be confused with higher level establishment, from the corporate world & upward.....all the way due north) is by unwitting providence lighting the fuse which will bring their downfall and the rise of that which is one hell of a lot better......even to the extent that TH may one day be in the record books not for the world's longest bl**dy pizza, but for a system of democratic govt and social good management that resets everything, from sh**sh** to exemplary model of how things could be. 

 

Point to this post? Nothing but my own wish to say it. Ok, cathartic at best, indulgent at worst. Apologies.

 

But the old dinosaur political hustlers crawling back into power? By virtue of the cold-blooded 'constitutional' (ha!) murder of the MFP? Anutin, Newin Chidchob? Prawit? Suwat? The ironically- called 'Democrat Party'? Prayuth?.

 

No, please. Never have I begged for anything before,  but right now, needs must. 

 

 

 

If you were hoping for decency, morality, and ethics in political parties or individuals here - or anywhere else in the world - you are most surely heading for  a huge disappointment.

 

But I agree with everything you said.

1 hour ago, Toolong said:

But the old dinosaur political hustlers crawling back into power? By virtue of the cold-blooded 'constitutional' (ha!) murder of the MFP? Anutin, Newin Chidchob? Prawit? Suwat? The ironically- called 'Democrat Party'? Prayuth?.

And it wouldn't happen if people wouldn't vote for them.

And it's not only Thailand. Look at the clown in the UK and that maniac and the old guy in the USA. Millions and millions of people vote for them. Why?

End of democracy is near!

 

Embrace for dissaster!

 

Still Thailand is a good place, and no worse for most people than many of countries represented here! 

 

I stay positive for now ????

6 hours ago, Toolong said:

But to see the hustle-fest of power-grabbing, opportunistic Thai political soi-dogs horse-trading their way into positions of power they can only usurp but never deserve, bleeds my soul of hope. 

As Hummin said, Thailand is a good place. It's a decent well-functioning society. 

 

Unless you are truly living in a country that is collapsing and falling apart, you don't need to follow the political bs regularly.   

 

There is no 1:1 correlation with what you are seeing on the daily news and how it affects your daily life. 95% of the daily news doesn't affect your life. All it does is make you angry and cynical and bitter.

 

There was a guy from Italy who moved to Thailand and he had a blog. He said everyone in Italy is miserable and always complaining. And he admitted that it was because they follow the daily news and the politicians bickering. He said tourists love Italy though. 

 

Does it make sense that a tourist enjoys the country but the locals are miserable?

 

Don't get sucked in by the circus act of daily politics. 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Toolong said:

But to see the hustle-fest of power-grabbing, opportunistic Thai political soi-dogs horse-trading their way into positions of power they can only usurp but never deserve, bleeds my soul of hope. 

It's the same everywhere, best not to think or care about it.

Not my country, not my government, not my business.

Topic has now been moved to The Lounge. 

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And it wouldn't happen if people wouldn't vote for them.

And it's not only Thailand. Look at the clown in the UK and that maniac and the old guy in the USA. Millions and millions of people vote for them. Why?

'Why?' ? While certainly related in a huge, fundamental way to what I was saying in my rant of despair (????), any attempt to answer that on my part would - I suspect - draw away too much from the Thai context, which is where my head is at right now.....and also draw away from what's at the heart of my discontent, and that's the sheer, barefaced, crudely Macchiavellian (sic?), brutishly arrogant way this whole sh**sh** has been plotted & directed straight to where 'they' always wanted to take it. Which they've now done.

 

But I agree with your main point and query, of course. 

 

Btw.....re the UK clown: afaik, nobody but his own Tory party members did vote for him (?????) And as for Biden.... well......

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

As Hummin said, Thailand is a good place. It's a decent well-functioning society. 

 

Unless you are truly living in a country that is collapsing and falling apart, you don't need to follow the political bs regularly.   

 

There is no 1:1 correlation with what you are seeing on the daily news and how it affects your daily life. 95% of the daily news doesn't affect your life. All it does is make you angry and cynical and bitter.

 

There was a guy from Italy who moved to Thailand and he had a blog. He said everyone in Italy is miserable and always complaining. And he admitted that it was because they follow the daily news and the politicians bickering. He said tourists love Italy though. 

 

Does it make sense that a tourist enjoys the country but the locals are miserable?

 

Don't get sucked in by the circus act of daily politics. 

 

 

 

I'm sorry, save the frog, I see good sense in much of what I think you're trying to say, and certainly think your message is helpfully well-intended.....but if I understand you right about some of it, ie, wilfully ignoring the news & politics because it doesn't affect your daily life, etc., then I must say our respective views differ. In fact differ to the extent that to fully go into why they differ would be quite a task and one I've literally insufficient time for right now to attempt. 

 

But just one thing I will say, save the frog, and that's that were I indeed a tourist, I wouldn't give a hoot about domestic politics here. But 3 decades here has me defined not as a tourist. A grumpy, opinionated old expat who still speaks inexcusably bad Thai, yes, but not a tourist. Including the uprising in 91/92, I've witnessed a great deal that has shaped my views to where they are now. Others, like yourself, are welcome to offer kindly & sensible advice to not let the bad stuff affect me, but I would have to simply say 'Well, I appreciate your concern, but sorry, no can do'. ????

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

It's the same everywhere, best not to think or care about it.

Not my country, not my government, not my business.

I used to feel that way too, BritManToo. Depending on what personal matters may preoccupy my mind, I still go through long periods of ignoring it all. No, it's not my country, but after 30+ years here I feel more bonded to it than I do to my own country. 

What's happened in TH these past few weeks will decisively determine its future course. And my Thai family will no doubt be affected by that course. So I do care.

????

10 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

If you were hoping for decency, morality, and ethics in political parties or individuals here - or anywhere else in the world - you are most surely heading for  a huge disappointment.

 

But I agree with everything you said.

The disappointment train pulled into the station loooong ago, chickenslegs. And never pulled out, a rusting hulk that's there for good. I'm used to that. ????

 

But I don't think it's naive to hope. (I know you didn't say it was. ????) 

Something about these current events that will prove profoundly pivotal & decisive down the line, in a positive way....so yes, I have hope. 

 

Will add also that I think I've probably used almost your own exact words many times also, myself  saying what you're saying to me, to others, and I probably will again. 

So I don't dispute the sense in what you're saying. ????

 

 

9 hours ago, Hummin said:

End of democracy is near!

 

Embrace for dissaster!

 

Still Thailand is a good place, and no worse for most people than many of countries represented here! 

 

I stay positive for now ????

Thailand IS a good place, you're right, Hummin. 

 

Funnily enough, I AM positive. Just in a negative kind of way! ????

When they banned Future Forward & Thanathorn......all negative, zero positive.

 

With this MFP business? Negatively angry, but.....actually positive, about the eventual consequences of it all. 

On 7/24/2023 at 4:25 AM, Toolong said:

But to see the hustle-fest of power-grabbing, opportunistic Thai political soi-dogs horse-trading their way into positions of power they can only usurp but never deserve, bleeds my soul of hope. 

Not a thing about that unique to Thailand.

On 8/11/2023 at 6:07 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Not a thing about that unique to Thailand.

Maybe not. In fact, certainly not. But what puts Thailand in the more limited number of particularly grotesque 'exceptionals' is how cleverly & thoroughly the worst kinds of politicians/elite etc invert their criminality into apparent virtue. Made possible by these people either owning the media and/or being protected by 'weaponizeable' laws.