Pheu Thai “knows” there will be strong backlash should it align with former government parties

[webfact]

The Pheu Thai Party leadership knows that the party would face significant backlash and possibly lose votes should it align itself with former government parties including Palang Pracharat and Bhumjai Thai, a PT parliamentarian told Thai Enquirer on Monday.

 

The source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Thai Enquirer that no decision has yet been made and that the party would “give every opportunity” to move forward with the current pro-democracy coalition of parties.

 

“But we cannot be in this deadlock forever and eventually someone will have to sacrifice or compromise to move the country forward,” the MP said by phone.

 

By Thai Enquirer

 

Full story: https://www.thaienquirer.com/50275/pheu-thai-knows-there-will-be-strong-backlash-should-it-align-with-former-government-parties/

 

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[2baht]

To the trough!!! ????????????

[ikke1959]

True colors of Pheu Thai, as wrote already many times, they are bad losers and had hoped they would win the elections with a landslide. But it was Move Forward that was the winner. First they have tried to get the house speaker, and when that failed, now they are going for PM, even without Move Forward, instead of keep steady on the 8 party coalition to end the army governing the land. That would be the greatest win. But no the greed for power will put the largest party in the oppostion and keep the country back from going forward, as they say compromising and sacrificing, but not by us but the others, and we will go with the honors 

[HaoleBoy]

Off-target question:
What is  Pita Limjaroenrat's District he was voted in as an MP on May 14th?

Who are his constituents?

[VocalNeal]

43 minutes ago, webfact said:

The Pheu Thai Party leadership knows that the party would face significant backlash

Too late according to my wife an her family. People in Isaan are already burning any pictures they may have had of Thaksin.

[herfiehandbag]

It will be interesting to see which emerges as the more powerful "force".

Loyalty to Thaksin - which has proved to be durable and sustained, if largely geographically and class based; or a general detesting and desire to reform the political/military ruling establishment - which appears to have it's roots in the younger generation, and to be less geographical and class centred.

Edited July 24, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, ikke1959 said:

True colors of Pheu Thai, as wrote already many times, they are bad losers and had hoped they would win the elections with a landslide. But it was Move Forward that was the winner. First they have tried to get the house speaker, and when that failed, now they are going for PM, even without Move Forward, instead of keep steady on the 8 party coalition to end the army governing the land. That would be the greatest win. But no the greed for power will put the largest party in the oppostion and keep the country back from going forward, as they say compromising and sacrificing, but not by us but the others, and we will go with the honors 

Are you blaming the possibility of the failed MFP coalition on PTP and not the junta for the controversial senate appointees? You seem diverting the blame away from the junta.  

[bannork]

24 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Are you blaming the possibility of the failed MFP coalition on PTP and not the junta for the controversial senate appointees? You seem diverting the blame away from the junta.  

As many PT supporters have pointed out to the leadership on the internet.

It's very simple. Stick with MF, reject the junta parties as promised. If that means the senators reject PT's PM choice, go into Opposition and let the junta parties run a minority government which will fail.

The blame will fall entirely on the senators for refusing to accept Pita or PT candidates 

But PT's greed for power and Thaksin's desire to return at any cost will cost the party many votes.

 

[bannork]

1 hour ago, HaoleBoy said:

Off-target question:
What is  Pita Limjaroenrat's District he was voted in as an MP on May 14th?

Who are his constituents?

He was first on Move Forward's Party List ( no constituency) .

[bannork]

Many Pheu Thai supporters posted this photo of Natawut Saikeua, a prominent former red shirt and member of Pheu Thai, standing in front of the coffins of red shirts killed in the crackdown.

He wrote yesterday about how 'complicated' and difficult the current situation is for PT.

Many PT supporters asked him what the red shirts had died for if the party was going to join with the junta backed parties.

Shame on you, Natawut. At least Jatuporn had the sense to get out of PT when he realised Thaksin didn't possess a single democratic bone in his body.

[BenStark]

15 minutes ago, bannork said:

At least Jatuporn had the sense to get out of PT when he realised Thaksin didn't possess a single democratic bone in his body.

At least Jatuporn had the sense to get out of PT when he realised the Junta had more to offer.

 

See what I did there?

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, bannork said:

As many PT supporters have pointed out to the leadership on the internet.

It's very simple. Stick with MF, reject the junta parties as promised. If that means the senators reject PT's PM choice, go into Opposition and let the junta parties run a minority government which will fail.

The blame will fall entirely on the senators for refusing to accept Pita or PT candidates 

But PT's greed for power and Thaksin's desire to return at any cost will cost the party many votes.

 

A difficult decision and PTP will exhaust all negotiations with MPs and senators before making a conclusion with the coalition parties tomorrow. The coalition will issue a joint announcement. All done in a amicable and transparent process. Pita understand the legal perils for him, executives and the party which likely yo be banned and dissolved. If PTP was to turn their back on MFP, there will be some discontent with their supporters but their base are still loyal. Red Shirts are not the base and they are a subdued force. Stay as an opposition block in Parliament is not a political solution when you have the chance of forming the government. A non functioning legislature body is not a political solution. The economy will be disastrous and no sensible politicians will want that. PTP have quite similar policies as MFP and will try implement them. They have 4 years to prove to the voters that they are on the same page as MFP in terms of reforms.

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

“But we cannot be in this deadlock forever and eventually someone will have to sacrifice or compromise to move the country forward,” the MP said by phone.

"Move the Country Forward". 

 

You've answered your own question there buddy. Align with MFP or your sacrifice will be to face complete obliteration of Phue-Thai. The party would never recover from aligning with the Junta. It would be Game Over.

[bannork]

35 minutes ago, BenStark said:

At least Jatuporn had the sense to get out of PT when he realised the Junta had more to offer.

 

See what I did there?

Jatuporn is 100% opposed to the junta.. it just took him a long time to realise the duplicity of Thaksin 

[bamnutsak]

From the linked article...

 

“But we cannot be in this deadlock forever and eventually someone will have to sacrifice or compromise to move the country forward,” the MP said by phone.

 

 

Of course no one EVER suggests that the Senate do the sacrificin' and the compromisin'.

 

How odd.

 

It's always the people who have to sacrifice and compromise, never the powers that be.

 

 

 

 

[ikke1959]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Are you blaming the possibility of the failed MFP coalition on PTP and not the junta for the controversial senate appointees? You seem diverting the blame away from the junta.  

No surely not... The junta and its senators are the first to blame, but be fair already talking about compromising is too early now... first let them vote the first time on this coalition before talking about give up and compromise for the benefit 

[cleopatra2]

5 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

No surely not... The junta and its senators are the first to blame, but be fair already talking about compromising is too early now... first let them vote the first time on this coalition before talking about give up and compromise for the benefit 

They have already 2 votes for this coalition , one by motion the other by proxy. On both occasions the coalition unsuccessfull.

 

[bannork]

32 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

From the linked article...

 

“But we cannot be in this deadlock forever and eventually someone will have to sacrifice or compromise to move the country forward,” the MP said by phone.

 

 

Of course no one EVER suggests that the Senate do the sacrificin' and the compromisin'.

 

How odd.

 

It's always the people who have to sacrifice and compromise, never the powers that be.

 

 

 

 

Exactly. The junta appointed senators created the mess by rejecting Pita whose party gained the most votes, three and a half million more than Pheu Thai.

Senate, do the right thing. 

[MrMojoRisin]

Abhisit had the very same choice back in 2008. He chose the junta and the Democrats are now an inconsequential party on the verge of extinction.
 

Thaksin knows Move Forward own the future, will he do the right thing for the country or will he seek to serve himself one last time?

 

Interesting dilemma for such a duplicitous individual who has spent a lifetime playing both ends against the middle.

 

It would be the ultimate irony should Thaksin’s last act in the theatre of politics be to side against democracy and destroy his own legacy.

[klauskunkel]

“But we cannot be in this deadlock forever and eventually someone will have to sacrifice or compromise to move the country forward us to the dining table,” the MP said by phone.

 

He is anxious, his creditors are closing in...

[LudwigK]

The Banks give high credits although they know it will never be paid back?!?!?!

[herfiehandbag]

The Junta's first priority was to get rid of the immediate threat, Pita and Move Forward. They have got rid of the threat, now they can step back a bit, after all, they remain in place as - what do they call themselves - an "interim government". They have time now, first to eliminate Pita and MFP from the political landscape ( job for the courts) and then to hook Pheu Thai and play them on the line until they get what they want - a significant (and in fact controlling presence) in whatever government emerges. If that damages Pheu Thai long term support better still. If Thaksin returns, well make it clear that one step out of line and it is striped suntan time - oh and bring your own socks. Mind you, at his (Thaksin's) age there is always a risk of sudden blood disorders!

 

Be under no misapprehensions, they intend to stay, to "keep peace, stability and order". Which should bring a glow of pride and moist underpants to some of the enthusiast's for the"smack of firm government" brigade on this forum!

 

"Nicht so?"

Edited July 24, 2023 by herfiehandbag

[ikke1959]

2 hours ago, cleopatra2 said:

They have already 2 votes for this coalition , one by motion the other by proxy. On both occasions the coalition unsuccessfull.

 

no way... Pheu Thai did not get any vote for PM.. It was for Pita and under unconstitutional conditions he was refused the 2nd time 

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Exactly. The junta appointed senators created the mess by rejecting Pita whose party gained the most votes, three and a half million more than Pheu Thai.

Senate, do the right thing. 

They are doing the right thing - for themselves. 

[bannork]

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

The Junta's first priority was to get rid of the immediate threat, Pita and Move Forward. They have got rid of the threat, now they can step back a bit, after all, they remain in place as - what do they call themselves - an"interim government. They have time now, first to eliminate Pita and MFP from the political landscape ( job for the courts) and then to hook Pheu Thai and play them on the line until they get what they want - a significant (and in fact controlling presence) in whatever government emerges. If that damaged Pheu Thai support better still. If Thaksin returns, well make it clear that one step out of line and it is striped suntan time - oh and bring your own socks. Mind you, at his (Thaksin's) age there is always a risk of sudden blood disorders!

 

Be under no misapprehensions, they intend to stay, to keep peace, stability and order. Which should bring a glow of pride and moist underpants to some of the enthusiast's for the"smack of firm government" brigade on this forum!

 

"Nicht so?"

 An astute analysis, Thaksin will be their puppet to be jerked this way and that. 

But it may be too late for Toni 

They haven't got rid of M F yet. Even if they dissolve MF, its MPs minus the executive, will have 60 days to find a new party. Forward part 3.

And the revulsion at PT's courting of the junta's parties has thrown many PT supporters into the MF camp.

 

[herfiehandbag]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

 An astute analysis, Thaksin will be their puppet to be jerked this way and that. 

But it may be too late for Toni 

They haven't got rid of M F yet. Even if they dissolve MF, its MPs minus the executive, will have 60 days to find a new party. Forward part 3.

And the revulsion at PT's courting of the junta's parties has thrown many PT supporters into the MF camp.

 

Well as military men one would expect them to be familiar with the expression "no plan survives contact with the enemy"!

 

There again, given the, umh, apparent skill set and selection criteria for this bunch, perhaps not!

[dinsdale]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

eventually someone will have to sacrifice or compromise to move the country forward

Goes without saying why at this time the country is not moving forward but when it comes to sacrifice if PT get into bed with the junta it will niot be sacrifice it will be suicide. Bye-bye PT.

[RocketDog]

6 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Are you blaming the possibility of the failed MFP coalition on PTP and not the junta for the controversial senate appointees? You seem diverting the blame away from the junta.  

I took his comment as more recognition of the fact that PT is just another version of the dinosaurs inhabiting the Senate.

 

What's needed is another asteroid. Can the Thai populace conjure one up? Up to them.

[Enoon]

49 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

I took his comment as more recognition of the fact that PT is just another version of the dinosaurs inhabiting the Senate.

 

What's needed is another asteroid. Can the Thai populace conjure one up? Up to them.

Pita and MF are clean and clear at the moment.

 

His/its reputation can only improve.

 

They are the logging elephant.

 

The vanity, venality and duplicity of PT, together with the intransigence of the anti-democrats, will bring forth the war elephant.

 

Just a matter of.......when?

 

There is no civil solution.

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2023 by Enoon

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Enoon said:

Pita and MF are clean and clear at the moment.

 

His/its reputation can only improve.

 

They are the logging elephant.

 

The vanity, venality and duplicity of PT, together with the intransigence of the anti-democrats, will bring forth the war elephant.

 

Just a matter of.......when?

 

There is no civil solution.

 

 

 

When indeed. I said before the elections that the country is on the brink of revolution. The precipice is coming ever closer. Another coup will not be tolerated by the people and PT being in bed with military may well bring it on. PT will be hated as much as the military for being traitors to their support base who HATE the military junta. PT should not nominate anyone for PM and stay with the coalition if they want to survive. Let the minority royalist/military/conservative parties put in a PM in an unworkable parliament.

Edited July 24, 2023 by dinsdale