Pine wood

[Wongkitlo]

I have noticed shops stocking soft pinewood. In Australia pine is often used for building but had never seen it available in Thailand till recently. Am wondering if this is a result of price increase and supply difficulties with hardwood or just a coincidence at the places I have been going. From memory it seems considerably cheaper than what have paid before for hardwood.

[McTavish]

NZ pine wood products have been sold here for many years: t&g sarking, doors, mouldings and ply.

 

T & G Sarking was used extensively at the Choui Fong Tea Plantation restaurant and tourist area in Chiang Rai - opened in 2015. 

[In the jungle]

Pine is breakfast cereal for termites.

[Wongkitlo]

1 hour ago, McTavish said:

NZ pine wood products have been sold here for many years: t&g sarking, doors, mouldings and ply.

 

T & G Sarking was used extensively at the Choui Fong Tea Plantation restaurant and tourist area in Chiang Rai - opened in 2015. 

I should have been more specific - is sold as framing timber.

[Wongkitlo]

47 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

Pine is breakfast cereal for termites.

Yes. I guess can be coated with chaindrite etc. 

[McTavish]

12 minutes ago, Wongkitlo said:

I should have been more specific - is sold as framing timber.

 

Always been available for anything except house framing, eg: condo/office partitioning, and mainly in BKK.  A lot of sawn lengths are used in furniture and cabinet making.

 

Anyone using for house construction framing would have rocks in their head and termites for friends.

[LS24]

9 minutes ago, McTavish said:

 

 

Anyone using for house construction framing would have rocks in their head and termites for friends.

I disagree with your statement. Pinus radiata and slash pines and be pressure treated with Pyrethrum based treatments to resist above ground rot and termites. It can be pressure treated for in-ground use as well.

 

Pine is used in termite prone areas throughout the world and has been for quite some time.

 

[McTavish]

6 minutes ago, LS24 said:

I disagree with your statement. Pinus radiata and slash pines and be pressure treated with Pyrethrum based treatments to resist above ground rot and termites. It can be pressure treated for in-ground use as well.

 

Pine is used in termite prone areas throughout the world and has been for quite some time.

 

Disagree all you like except you are not using logic.  Yes, pine can be treated, usually ex sawmill (NZ), but the DoHome 3 metre lengths, in fact none of their stock, is sold as treated.

 

Having used treated pine framing in Australia I have 1st hand knowledge of termite treatments AND how the little critters may enjoy a meal of previously treated pinewood studs after an elapsed period of exposure to moisture.

[sometimewoodworker]

1 hour ago, LS24 said:

Pinus radiata and slash pines and be pressure treated with Pyrethrum based treatments to resist above ground rot and termites. It can be pressure treated for in-ground use as well.

@McTavish is absolutely correct in the rocks in the head remark.

You are correct that pressure treated pine can be used. You are wrong if you think that any wood in Thailand is pressure treated. Pressure treatment always leaves the wood soaking wet, typically 24% moisture content, and if you think that shipping companies are going to transport that excess moisture you don’t understand logistics.

 

So short answer, yes it’s available and as useful in framing as rocking horse s*h*i*t

Edited August 8, 2023 by sometimewoodworker

[Wongkitlo]

2 hours ago, McTavish said:

Anyone using for house construction framing would have rocks in their head and termites for friends.

I am actually making open closets with shelves. In concrete room with no other wood. I was partly wondering if hardwood is going to get excessively expensive(considering 3 metre pine lengths at Do Home are 258b) and hard to source leaving little other choice. 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Wongkitlo
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[RanongCat]

2 hours ago, LS24 said:

I disagree with your statement. Pinus radiata and slash pines and be pressure treated with Pyrethrum based treatments to resist above ground rot and termites. It can be pressure treated for in-ground use as well.

 

Pine is used in termite prone areas throughout the world and has been for quite some time.

 

Pyrethrum/ Permethrin  have  degree of insect resistance. Fungus not.

 

 

[sometimewoodworker]

4 hours ago, Wongkitlo said:

I am actually making open closets with shelves. In concrete room with no other wood. I was partly wondering if hardwood is going to get excessively expensive(considering 3 metre pine lengths at Do Home are 258b) and hard to source leaving little other choice. 

Giving a price for a length without giving the dimensions and if it is rough sawn or PAR & if it has square or radiuses on the edges and which grade it is (as in the size and stability of the knots) means that it is impossible to compare it with other timber.

 

Hear is an example of boards that are probably C grade, if you buy enough (probably 50% to 100% over) you may get enough for your project 

 

I virtually never buy from stores like DoHome apart from rubber wood and then only if I need grade B or C, for grade A or AA I go to a wood yard, the prices are better as is the quality.

 

FWIW termites will probably be able to access your concrete room so don’t forget the Chandrite.

Edited August 8, 2023 by sometimewoodworker

[Wongkitlo]

11 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

Giving a price for a length without giving the dimensions and if it is rough sawn or PAR & if it has square or radiuses on the edges and which grade it is (as in the size and stability of the knots) means that it is impossible to compare it with other timber.

 

Hear is an example of boards that are probably C grade, if you buy enough (probably 50% to 100% over) you may get enough for your project 

 

I virtually never buy from stores like DoHome apart from rubber wood and then only if I need grade B or C, for grade A or AA I go to a wood yard, the prices are better as is the quality.

 

FWIW termites will probably be able to access your concrete room so don’t forget the Chandrite.

Thank you for your always good advice

[LS24]

On 8/8/2023 at 6:16 PM, sometimewoodworker said:

@McTavish is absolutely correct in the rocks in the head remark.

You are correct that pressure treated pine can be used. You are wrong if you think that any wood in Thailand is pressure treated. Pressure treatment always leaves the wood soaking wet, typically 24% moisture content, and if you think that shipping companies are going to transport that excess moisture you don’t understand logistics.

 

So short answer, yes it’s available and as useful in framing as rocking horse s*h*i*t

Outdated information. Treated dry pinus species is available with stable moisture content and has been for many years. Here is just one supplier that state that the treated material is re-dried after treatment. It also touches on Decay. H3 treatement is for above ground exposed purposes and has a 25 year warranty for most suppliers.

 

https://austim.com.au/blog/why-use-h3-treated-pine-for-your-decking-subframe/

 

So it is you that is offering up incorect info. No need to apologise ????

 

And for the record, I never claimed that treated pine is readily available in Thailand (even though it is available). I Simply countered McTavish's clearly incorrect post stating regarding treated pine in general.

[sometimewoodworker]

6 hours ago, LS24 said:

for the record, I never claimed that treated pine is readily available in Thailand (even though it is available).

And where are you finding it and at what price. I have never found any offered by any of the numerous specialist suppliers I have used.

 

That one obscure Australian supplier has it is irrelevant since this is a Thailand forum and the availability is for Thailand. So definitely no apologies are offered or required.

 

There are a huge variety of woods available in different countries that are never imported into Thailand other than in minuscule quantities so are irrelevant.

 

If you actually want rot and insect resistant (100 years typically) wood then use cleft sweet chestnut, but then you can’t because it isn’t imported in commercial (or any) quantities.

 

 

[LAtoBangkok]

I’m making an outside kitchen sink counter out of 3/4”  laminated Boon Wood right now. It’s supposed to be rubber wood. I’m first staining 2 coats with Beger Decking Fiber Cement Wood stain, then will give 3-4 coats of Beger supreme polyurethane. Will I be okay with the Terminitors? 
 

 

[sometimewoodworker]

4 minutes ago, LAtoBangkok said:

I’m making an outside kitchen sink counter out of 3/4”  laminated Boon Wood right now. It’s supposed to be rubber wood. I’m first staining 2 coats with Beger Decking Fiber Cement Wood stain, then will give 3-4 coats of Beger supreme polyurethane. Will I be okay with the Terminitors? 
 

 

No it won’t, you should have first used at least 2 probably more coate of Chandrite. It is unlikely that it will now penetrate sufficiently but better to give it a try.

[LAtoBangkok]

4 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

No it won’t, you should have first used at least 2 probably more coate of Chandrite. It is unlikely that it will now penetrate sufficiently but better to give it a try.

Thanks for your input.
 

“The boards are then treated for resisting pests and termites to make them more durable and stronger.” 

 

Thaiwatsadu says this in so many words as well as other sites for finger jointed rubber wood. They are compressed and kiln dried over days. This all may be hype but with my 3-4 coats of poly on all sides, I think I should be good. Time will tell, hey?

[sometimewoodworker]

8 hours ago, LAtoBangkok said:

Thanks for your input.
 

“The boards are then treated for resisting pests and termites to make them more durable and stronger.” 

 

Thaiwatsadu says this in so many words as well as other sites for finger jointed rubber wood. They are compressed and kiln dried over days. This all may be hype but with my 3-4 coats of poly on all sides, I think I should be good. Time will tell, hey?

That may be what they say, it maybe what they do, however termites neither listen to them nor pay attention. They still eat it DAMHIKT. Your coats of poly will have no significant deterrent effect. You will anyway be breaching the poly coating when you fasten the top down. More protection will do no harm, and in my experience it is cheap insurance.

[LS24]

On 8/10/2023 at 8:42 PM, sometimewoodworker said:

And where are you finding it and at what price. I have never found any offered by any of the numerous specialist suppliers I have used.

 

That one obscure Australian supplier has it is irrelevant since this is a Thailand forum and the availability is for Thailand. So definitely no apologies are offered or required.

 

There are a huge variety of woods available in different countries that are never imported into Thailand other than in minuscule quantities so are irrelevant.

 

If you actually want rot and insect resistant (100 years typically) wood then use cleft sweet chestnut, but then you can’t because it isn’t imported in commercial (or any) quantities.

 

 

You claimed that treated pine is wet. I simply gave one example among many that treated pine is redried and moisture stable.

You were clearly wrong and you gave misinformation. I simply set the record straight so others who were potentially misguided by your lack of knowledge and inaccuracies got the correct information.

 

Maybe learn from your errors and educate yourself. You might just gain the skills to find where to source treated pine yourself.

Edited August 19, 2023 by LS24

[sometimewoodworker]

55 minutes ago, LS24 said:

Maybe learn from your errors and educate yourself. You might just gain the skills to find where to source treated pine yourself.

Pine, treated or not, is low grade soft softwood, there are far better easily available timbers available in Thailand. I am unlikely to have a project where treated pine is a better choice than the usual Thai or Thai imported wood.

 

So as I said just because a foreign country can produce a product is usually irrelevant in the Thai market 

That the vast majority of treated softwood is extremely wet is relevant and correct.

 

That your favourite source is a tiny percentage of the market is relevant and that it probably had to try to get the Chinese market back so was forced into an expensive process is also relevant. As is the Chinese reopening sales from Australia so probably reducing the longer term availability.

 

The reason for the moisture content is that all pressure treatment results in saturated wood and that any drying process is expensive, either in energy or storage space and time.

 

So if you want to be taken seriously rather than an irrelevant commenter, produce quotes for actual timber available in quantity in Thailand of your claimed low moisture content treated pine.

 

I know that many species are imported into Thailand in boutique quantities so they are irrelevant as being vastly expensive, unavailable in quantity and generally used for very high end pieces

[kickstart]

On 8/10/2023 at 5:42 PM, sometimewoodworker said:

And where are you finding it and at what price. I have never found any offered by any of the numerous specialist suppliers I have used.

 

That one obscure Australian supplier has it is irrelevant since this is a Thailand forum and the availability is for Thailand. So definitely no apologies are offered or required.

 

There are a huge variety of woods available in different countries that are never imported into Thailand other than in minuscule quantities so are irrelevant.

 

If you actually want rot and insect resistant (100 years typically) wood then use cleft sweet chestnut, but then you can’t because it isn’t imported in commercial (or any) quantities.

 

 

You just put me back 40 years when I use to use Chestnut fencing posts on the farm, as you said they will outlast us and that is untreated.

Re pressure treated pine post I have used them for fencing they will last a good few year's ordinary pine posts in the ground will only last a year before rotting out, just like using Eucalyptus post in the ground over here they just rot out.

Treated pine posts, here ,no hope. 

[LAtoBangkok]

On 8/16/2023 at 6:34 AM, sometimewoodworker said:

You will anyway be breaching the poly coating when you fasten the top down.

Always recoat or use chaindrite primer and/or acrylic tinted wood filler after fastening.