Two cases of new COVID Omicron sub-variant reported in Thailand

[placnx]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Safe to say they all were pretty far off the mark, including the larger shares of those types who died of COVID because of their mistaken beliefs along the way.

Political party affiliation linked to excess COVID deaths

"Today in JAMA Network Open, researchers published more evidence that personal political leanings may have contributed to excess deaths during the COVID-19 pandemic. The research builds on previous work that has shown that right-wing "red" counties had higher death rates during the pandemic than more left-wing "blue" counties.

 

The study looked at deaths in both Florida and Ohio during the first 22 months of the pandemic and found the overall excess death rate of Republican voters was 15% higher than that of Democrats. The gap widened further once COVID-19 vaccines were introduced."

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/political-party-affiliation-linked-excess-covid-deaths

 

The differing death rates between right and left make sense. Those on the right are less educated (in general) and so are more susceptible to anti-vaxer BS.

[positivevibes]

24 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Cambell's fallen off the trolley and mainly posts to attract new antivaxxer/conspiracy theorist subscribers. He bangs on abot excess deaths and completely failed to mention the 70+M exces deaths following the 1918 pandemic (with ZERO vaccines given!!). 

He only ever uses real data and quotes from official sources. His channel would have long been taken down otherwise.

 

Excess deaths are clearly a huge issue which is being totally ignored by Govs and the criminals at WHO.

[impulse]

16 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Cambell's fallen off the trolley and mainly posts to attract new antivaxxer/conspiracy theorist subscribers. He bangs on abot excess deaths and completely failed to mention the 70+M exces deaths following the 1918 pandemic (with ZERO vaccines given!!). 

I like the guy because he seems to follow the data.  I did a search on him last time I had Google and YouTube (I'm in China now where they're both blocked) and his earlier YouTubes were very pro-vaccine. 

 

But as the data have shifted, so has he.  

[impulse]

12 minutes ago, Irish star said:

Well more on the Right got Covid and died Good Riddance is all I can say 

Another lefty celebrating the death of someone, just for disagreeing with them.

 

[rabas]

2 hours ago, novacova said:

The epidemic of global traffic deaths annually is ~1350000. Now that’s a pandemic. There is a greater chance of dying on the road today than from a snot virus. Though the actual pandemic is the state of mind of the fear that is being perpetuated.

What? Confirmed covid deaths (not total) ran way beyond total global traffic deaths for two years peaking at 14,817 dead per day compared to 3700 daily traffic deaths. Four times! Total estimated Covid deaths (most are not confirmed) is now ~20 million.  Spanish Flu is estimated to have killed between 18 and 50 million.  https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths

[placnx]

13 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"Official" COVID deaths globally have been substantially undercounted, not overcounted:

 

 

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-estimates

 

Factcheck: False: COVID deaths are overcounted

"Globally, Wakefield’s research suggests that there were 14.91 million excess deaths in the years 2020-2021, with most of these likely attributable to COVID. That is 2.75 times the deaths reported as COVID deaths."

 

https://amsterdamnews.com/news/2023/04/06/factcheck-false-covid-deaths-are-overcounted/

 

 

 

 

Journalists in India noted cremations far in excess of the number of official Covid deaths. What happened in the back country was ignored. I remember an NYT article suggesting a factor of 3 times the official death count.

[transam]

23 minutes ago, Irish star said:

Well more on the Right got Covid and died Good Riddance is all I can say 

What a stupid post.....................

[positivevibes]

4 minutes ago, placnx said:

Journalists in India noted cremations far in excess of the number of official Covid deaths. What happened in the back country was ignored. I remember an NYT article suggesting a factor of 3 times the official death count.

NYT lol

[owl sees all]

2 hours ago, placnx said:

The differing death rates between right and left make sense. Those on the right are less educated (in general) and so are more susceptible to anti-vaxer BS.

A little ditty

 

''''Whether on the right or the left

blind, sad, or just plain deaf.

Covid is coming for us all soon

only safe place - it seems - is on the moon.

 

But until that time arrives

Let us all, live and thrive.

And shout out to those that can still hear

oigh bud - yes you - go buy the beer.''''

 

Get a move on Muskie. A covid varient is coming for us.

[brewsterbudgen]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Am I the only one who is sick and tired of hearing about covid this, and covid that? Why can't people just leave it alone? It has been endemic for a long time, cases and fatality rates continue to drop, yet? Embrace science and common sense. We have been breathing in all kinds of bacterial and viral stuff, for millenia. I will not allow covid to turn me into a timid coward, afraid of people and disease. My immune system does all the work, and I do what I can to boost it and keep it strong. Finished wearing a mask a long time ago. Even in airports and on planes. Kudos to the foreign tourists for ignoring the tendency to continue wearing one. Show the locals what free thinking looks like. Defy the herd.

Well said Spider. ????

[Eleftheros]

33 minutes ago, Irish star said:

Well more on the Right got Covid and died Good Riddance is all I can say

More tolerant and humane opinions from the Covid zealots....

[Kevin Taylor]

I thought people had gotten past the covid fear mongering, maybe not after reading some of these comments. Seriously people you do not need to get stats from the cdc or who or whoever just look around you everyone you see has been exposed to covid everyone.

[Skeptic7]

2 hours ago, transam said:

It is reeeeeeally easy for folk like you to ignore threads with "COVID" in the title, what I don't understand is people like you don't, just have to jump aboard to slag it off...................????

 

 

Yep. You weren't POTY for nothing❗???? But somebody's gotta keep it real and offer some perspective. 

 

For the record...Covid is real. That's indisputable. ????????

 

I'm triple vaxed...AstraZeneca x2 + Pfizer booster. ????????

 

But the overreactions and Covidiocy during & since were and still are real too. Not only is that indisputable, but totally unacceptable, as well. 

[Peabody]

Amazing. A factual, no bias, scientific/medical report and the freedumbers spring into their anti-mask and denialism mode.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Yep. You weren't POTY for nothing❗???? But somebody's gotta keep it real and offer some perspective. 

 

For the record...Covid is real. That's indisputable. ????????

 

I'm triple vaxed...AstraZeneca x2 + Pfizer booster. ????????

 

But the overreactions and Covidiocy during & since were and still are real too. Not only is that indisputable, but totally unacceptable, as well. 

Oh, so shut down all the ongoing Trump, Visa, MG threads too...............????

 

But thank you for reminding folk of my successes............????

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Can you explain to us why this "may be" of concern?

Because the BA.2.86 variant has MORE mutations (dozens) than any of the previous variants, and the current scientific belief is that those will make it able to evade existing protections that people have from both prior infections and also prior vaccinations.

 

Those issues have been widely reported and written about re the emergence of BA.2.86... But as I mentioned in the earlier posts, no indication thus far that the COVID illnesses it causes tend to be more severe than other Omicron variants.... Still early days on this one.

 

[BritTim]

9 hours ago, Bim Smith said:

CDC advice is if you're already vaccinated or had the previous one you're more likely to get it. How convenient a new booster is approved. 

Note that, if this is true which I doubt, it would be a reason for us to be much more concerned about the BA.2.86 variant as over 95% of the population has at least partial immunity based on vaccination or prior infection or both.

At this time, those comparing Covid to the flu are not totally wrong. What they are missing is that flu variants can also result in horrendous epidemics. The "Spanish" flu of 1918 to 1920 was worse than Covid, and killed about 50 million people worldwide.

Objectivity is important. We should not panic over every mutation, but surveillance and preparedness ought to be better than it was in 2019 when we were hit with Covid.

[Skeptic7]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Oh, so shut down all the ongoing Trump, Visa, MG threads too...............????

 

.????

Huh? Umm...no. Don't want to shut anything down. Only opining on the most ridiculous. Like say...Trump, Thaksin, Covidiocy, god beliefs, etc. You know...the truly ???????? crazy stuff❗

[transam]

1 minute ago, Skeptic7 said:

Huh? Umm...no. Don't want to shut anything down. Only opining on the most ridiculous. Like say...Trump, Covidiocy, god beliefs, etc. You know...the ???????? crazy stuff❗

That is your opinion, but you can ignore anything covid related, the same as the others with a covid chat problem, just move on.........

[CharlieH]

Reported posts, and responses to them in violation of Community Standards have all be removed.

 

 

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, Skeptic7 said:

For the record...Covid is real. That's indisputable. ????????

I dispute it.

[dinsdale]

7 hours ago, Venom said:

Our boosters are all up to date and we are still double masking with N95 class protection whenever we leave the house so I'm reasonably confident we will survive the next phase. It's better to be safe than dead folks! Double masking is not expensive. We buy them by the 100 pack and they are very very reasonably priced. Well worth the money. I think everybody needs to ask themselves. What's your life worth? Stay safe folks. ????

I haven't had a jab since oct 2021 and do not intend to be jabbed again. As for maks I have recently been on a plane. No mask. Been to immigration. No mask. Been to a medical clinic. No mask. Been to the bank. No mask etc etc. Oh! Forgot to mention been to Laos and nobody was wearing a mask.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Because the BA.2.86 variant has MORE mutations (dozens) than any of the previous variants, and the current scientific belief is that those will make it able to evade existing protections that people have from both prior infections and also prior vaccinations.

 

Those issues have been widely reported and written about re the emergence of BA.2.86... But as I mentioned in the earlier posts, no indication thus far that the COVID illnesses it causes tend to be more severe than other Omicron variants.... Still early days on this one.

 

Immune escape is likely but that's been the case and will continue to be the case. As for the mutations I've seen that it is only on the spike protien. Will this one become the dominat sub-variant or not only time will tell. Other sub-variants have come and gone pretty much in a blink of an eye never gaining dominance.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Immune escape is likely but that's been the case and will continue to be the case. As for the mutations I've seen that it is only on the spike protien. Will this one become the dominat sub-variant or not only time will tell. Other sub-variants have come and gone pretty much in a blink of an eye never gaining dominance.

 

This latest covid variant could be the best yet at evading immunity

"BA.2.86 stands out in the omicron family tree because of how much it has morphed. It has more than 30 mutations on its spike protein, the part of the virus that pierces through the cell and that vaccines train the body to fend off. Experts believe the antibodies forged through battles with earlier variants will have a difficult time recognizing this new foe."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/08/25/covid-variant-ba-2-86-pirola/

 

 

[retarius]

Seeking a very pretty Thai lady to share lockdown with.

[luckyblock token]

latest news

A new and more lethal Omicron variant has been detected.

it is called BS-24/7

it attacks the truth and insults your intelligence

 

[Burma Bill]

18 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

--256 new COVID hospitalizations

--6 new COVID deaths

--124 COVID cases hospitalized in serious condition

--79 COVID cases hospitalized requiring intubation to breathe

 

Since the start of 2023, 32,488 total COVID hospitalizations and 790 COVID deaths in Thailand.

Out of a Thai population of 71.6 million (2021 Google)! 

(No further comment from me so do not bother to reply). 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Per the WHO from its global COVID report as of Aug. 25, which they specifically note is an undercount of actual COVID cases due to decreased reporting by countries/agencies:

 

--a 63% increase in globally reported COVID cases compared to the prior month.

 

"In the last 28-day period (24 July to 20 August 2023), nearly 1.5 million new COVID-19 cases and over 2000 deaths were reported from WHO’s six regions, an increase of 63% and a decrease of 48%, respectively, compared to the previous 28 days. As of 20 August 2023, over 769 million confirmed cases and over 6.9 million deaths have been reported globally.

...

Currently, reported cases do not accurately represent infection rates due to the reduction in testing and reporting globally."

 

https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/weekly-epidemiological-update-on-covid-19---25-august-2023

 

[ChrisKC]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

I dispute it.

Owl obviously can't see ALL. Missing Covid seems more like sees very little

[owl sees all]

58 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

Owl obviously can't see ALL. Missing Covid seems more like sees very little

If I may Chris, could I ask you to take a look at Dr Mark Bailey's paper:

 

''Farewell to Virology.''

 

It's a bit of a slog being nearly 30,000 words. But there is a film about to be released.