Tippaporn Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 27 minutes ago, ozimoron said: But not ending fossil fuel subsidies? https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2023/08/24/fossil-fuel-subsidies-surged-to-record-7-trillion Governments shouldn't be in the business of subsidising anything, full stop. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Tippaporn said: Governments shouldn't be in the business of subsidising anything, full stop. Governments and private citizens massively subsidize the fossil fuel industry. IMF Fossil Fuel Subsidies Data: 2023 Update This paper provides a comprehensive global, regional, and country-level update of: (i) efficient fossil fuel prices to reflect supply and environmental costs; and (ii) subsidies implied by charging below efficient fuel prices. Globally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion in 2022 or 7.1 percent of GDP. Explicit subsidies (undercharging for supply costs) have more than doubled since 2020 but are still only 18 percent of the total subsidy, while nearly 60 percent is due to undercharging for global warming and local air pollution. https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2023/08/22/IMF-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies-Data-2023-Update-537281#:~:text=Summary%3A,or 7.1 percent of GDP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Governments shouldn't be in the business of subsidising anything, full stop. Almost the entirety of the internet/AI revolution is founded on technologies seeded by Government funding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted September 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2023 This thread is full of old guys opining. But among younger people (and younger voters), climate change and the environment in general is about the most important issue in their lives. Understandably so as they'll be around longer to deal with the consequences of man-made climate change. So these old guys praising and worshiping Trump for his nutty beliefs, you're on the wrong side of history. 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish star Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 12:10 PM, thaibeachlovers said: Another reason to vote Trump. He’s a Putin Project like yourself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish star Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said: There’s two reasons to vote for Trump? ???????????? He’s a Putin Puppet , can’t imagine what the other reason would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish star Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 hours ago, bignok said: Only 2 economists out of 50,000 predicted the gfc. How the hell can people plan for 2100? These cc people are just liars. Still Culting huh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Srikcir Posted September 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2023 (edited) Biden has added over 759,000 new manufacturing jobs over the 2.5+ years in office and recently committed $200 billion to new projects. Trump over four years failed to revive American factories with fewer people working in manufacturing by the end of his term. ref. April 2023 https://fortune.com Trump promised to make sure energy pipelines were made of American steel and iron. But he never did with resulting job losses in pipe and tube mills. But I give Trump credit for paying almost $200,000 in taxes to China for operation of Trump hotels and the takeover of America's largest oil refinery in Texas to Saudi Arabia state-owned Saudi Aramco. Subsequently, Trump urged OPEC to raise oil prices that would help American oil and refinery companies to greater profits. Of course the price increase ultimately is paid by the American consumers. Edited September 7, 2023 by Srikcir Msp 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 40 minutes ago, Berkshire said: This thread is full of old guys opining. But among younger people (and younger voters), climate change and the environment in general is about the most important issue in their lives. Understandably so as they'll be around longer to deal with the consequences of man-made climate change. So these old guys praising and worshiping Trump for his nutty beliefs, you're on the wrong side of history. I'd believe that if I saw young people actually doing something about it if that what they believe, but I don't see anything that makes me believe they care. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: Almost the entirety of the internet/AI revolution is founded on technologies seeded by Government funding. So? Is that your justification for government subsidies? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Srikcir said: Biden has added over 759,000 new manufacturing jobs over the 2.5+ years in office and recently committed $200 billion to new projects. Trump over four years failed to revive American factories with fewer people working in manufacturing by the end of his term. ref. April 2023 https://fortune.com Trump promised to make sure energy pipelines were made of American steel and iron. But he never did with resulting job losses in pipe and tube mills. But I give Trump credit for paying almost $200,000 in taxes to China for operation of Trump hotels and the takeover of America's largest oil refinery in Texas to Saudi Arabia state-owned Saudi Aramco. Subsequently, Trump urged OPEC to raise oil prices that would help American oil and refinery companies to greater profits. Of course the price increase ultimately is paid by the American consumers. Trump is a moron. Biden is clearly senile. McConnell is in worse shape than both. America needs generational change ASAP before it’s too late to properly address climate change. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, Srikcir said: Trump over four years failed to revive American factories with fewer people working in manufacturing by the end of his term. LOL. Wasn't there a thing called covid happening at the end of his term? Could that possibly have impacted factory workers? You know........ lockdowns and all that. Nice try but no cigar. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said: Trump is a moron. Biden is clearly senile. McConnell is in worse shape than both. America needs generational change ASAP before it’s too late to properly address climate change. Hmmmmm. So just what do YOU think we need to do to properly address climate change, and is there any reason you can't do that without government holding your hand? I hear a lot of talk talk about it but see sod all being done, other than flying hundreds of people to conferences to talk about it. I believe the next one is in Dubai 555555555555555555555. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 24 minutes ago, Irish star said: He’s a Putin Puppet , can’t imagine what the other reason would be Prove it. You made a statement, so back it up with proof, or it isn't true. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 28 minutes ago, Irish star said: He’s a Putin Project like yourself So, you've got nothing but pathetic insults? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignok Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, Irish star said: Still Culting huh Still a troll I see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignok Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Hmmmmm. So just what do YOU think we need to do to properly address climate change, and is there any reason you can't do that without government holding your hand? I hear a lot of talk talk about it but see sod all being done, other than flying hundreds of people to conferences to talk about it. I believe the next one is in Dubai 555555555555555555555. CC cult members fly a lot. Biggest hypocrites of all time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignok Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said: Trump is a moron. Biden is clearly senile. McConnell is in worse shape than both. America needs generational change ASAP before it’s too late to properly address climate change. Yanks can not change the climate. Basic math. Anyone who has read the studies knows this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacovl46 Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 5:52 AM, BritManToo said: Trump has a lot of common sense! Those batteries are all sourced from China. I remember they laughed when he told the Germans not to rely on Russian gas. Giving your enemies power over your country is never a smart move. Batteries can be literally sourced in the blink of an eye from other countries!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaibill Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 5 hours ago, BritManToo said: I've got 4 'fat' old 100ah lifepo4 batteries, can't find anywhere to take/dump them. I would say you haven’t tried very hard. I used to earn a tidy sum recycling abandoned used up batteries. Almost every scrap yard accepts them. I happened to have a 3/4 ton diesel truck so it made sense to collect a full load and drive an hour to sell them for the best price. A neighbor even paid other locals a modest fee for their used batts and did likewise; he had a larger truck and a large area for storage of junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacovl46 Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: I'd believe that if I saw young people actually doing something about it if that what they believe, but I don't see anything that makes me believe they care. They glue themselves to roads in Germany! ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk6060 Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 I hate the idea of being forced to buy an electric car. But, I think in 15 years that may be the only choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacovl46 Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bignok said: Yanks can not change the climate. Basic math. Anyone who has read the studies knows this. Well, America is one of the biggest polluters on this planet, any type of improvement they would make would definitely be for the better. Having said that, I don't think mankind can actually stop climate change. Also, there has been periods in Earth's history where it's been on average 15 degrees warmer than now and it wasn't that long ago and mankind still survived. It's one big cycle that comes and goes. But then again, to think that mankind hasn't sped up that process since it became industrialized is just silly and it can't continue that way it is now. Edited September 7, 2023 by pacovl46 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, pacovl46 said: They glue themselves to roads in Germany! ???? As a % of the youth how many did that? I'm not saying that none are doing anything, only that I haven't seen any doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Hmmmmm. So just what do YOU think we need to do to properly address climate change, and is there any reason you can't do that without government holding your hand? I hear a lot of talk talk about it but see sod all being done, other than flying hundreds of people to conferences to talk about it. I believe the next one is in Dubai 555555555555555555555. Why can’t I solve climate change without government involvement - well, that would be for the same reasons I didn’t invent and distribute my own Covid vaccine. What a ridiculously stupid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, pacovl46 said: Well, America is one of the biggest polluters on this planet, any type of improvement they would make would definitely be for the better. Having said that, I don't think mankind can actually stop climate change. Also, there has been periods in Earth's history where it's been on average 15 degrees warmer than now and it wasn't that long ago and mankind still survived. It's one big cycle that comes and goes. But then again, to think that mankind hasn't sped up that process since it became industrialized is just silly and it can't continue that way it is now. Given that the human race depends on industrialization to survive, what is the alternative? Given that most of the human race depends on diesel power to grow and transport food, what is the alternative? Given that millions depend on tourism to survive, what is the alternative to planes? Given that most of our products are transported on oil burning ships, what is the alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojoRisin Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Just now, RichardColeman said: As opposed to someone that has let an invasion of the country by undocumented migrants happen ? 3 million souls to be fed and housed by the US tax payer - even the Dem states are critical of the head silly old fool allowing their states to be overrun Americas economy would be crippled without the influx of cheap labour - that is why big business wants (and get) an open border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 On 9/6/2023 at 4:06 PM, Jingthing said: Better to end the madness of that insurrectionist traitor being allowed on voting ballots! Soooooo, you're not a fan of democracy then? Only allow those that you approve of on ballots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, RichardColeman said: As opposed to someone that has let an invasion of the country by undocumented migrants happen ? 3 million souls to be fed and housed by the US tax payer - even the Dem states are critical of the head silly old fool allowing their states to be overrun Totally different issues. Wildly exaggerated Such migration happens under all presidents. It's not an invasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Just now, thaibeachlovers said: Soooooo, you're not a fan of democracy then? Only allow those that you approve of on ballots? In favor of following the constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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