Outrage over Abbas's antisemitic speech on Jews and Holocaust

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

talking with you guys on this topic in painful. Jews can do no wrong. Never did anything wrong or could do anything wrong. Asking question is anti-semitic. You never bother to even explain the other side to any of these conflicts so there's no point of saying anything more.

Reading your loaded antisemitic garbage is painful.

Edited September 9, 2023 by Jingthing

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

I think the lesson to be learned from WWII and the dozens of expulsions over the centuries is that if you're a minority ethnic group and you wield disproportionate power over the majority, you may find you earn their ire.

 

 

So your message to Jews is that they shouldn't be successful in their lives and they shouldn't get the top jobs , otherwise the locals might try to annihilate them ?

   The Jews earned the ire from the Nazis because they were too successful ?

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1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

Jerusalem Post:

 

"Indeed, I wonder if there has ever been a more Jewish US administration"

 

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/joe-bidens-a-team-of-jewish-advisers-cabinet-members-and-staff-658350

 

You claimed that 50% of the cabinet was Jewish. Actually, it's less than 20%. If your case is so strong, why do you make up falsehoods?

[MrMojoRisin]

28 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

So your message to Jews is that they shouldn't be successful in their lives and they shouldn't get the top jobs , otherwise the locals might try to annihilate them ?

   The Jews earned the ire from the Nazis because they were too successful ?

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Seems you’ve wandered off topic a touch here bro.

 

Was it not you just now posting:

 

You don't seem to be able to understand what keeping on topic means , people are not answering your questions because its off topic , can you not understand that ?

 

Pretending Israeli atrocities are off topic to avoid admitting uncomfortable truths is weak as p!ss.

 

In my opinion, the primary driver of anti Israeli sentiment in today’s world is Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, not all of the Elders of Zion garbage of yesteryear.

 

Stop treating humans inhumanly and you’ll find most of the negativity will disappear overnight.

[Jingthing]

45 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

????????????

 

Seems you’ve wandered off topic a touch here bro.

 

Was it not you just now posting:

 

You don't seem to be able to understand what keeping on topic means , people are not answering your questions because its off topic , can you not understand that ?

 

Pretending Israeli atrocities are off topic to avoid admitting uncomfortable truths is weak as p!ss.

 

In my opinion, the primary driver of anti Israeli sentiment in today’s world is Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, not all of the Elders of Zion garbage of yesteryear.

 

Stop treating humans inhumanly and you’ll find most of the negativity will disappear overnight.

That is so naive.

[Nick Carter icp]

49 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

????????????

 

Seems you’ve wandered off topic a touch here bro.

 

Was it not you just now posting:

 

You don't seem to be able to understand what keeping on topic means , people are not answering your questions because its off topic , can you not understand that ?

 

Pretending Israeli atrocities are off topic to avoid admitting uncomfortable truths is weak as p!ss.

 

In my opinion, the primary driver of anti Israeli sentiment in today’s world is Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, not all of the Elders of Zion garbage of yesteryear.

 

Stop treating humans inhumanly and you’ll find most of the negativity will disappear overnight.

Nah Bruv, me was on topic , no whatimean ?

The Holocaust is on topic in nit bruv 

[MrMojoRisin]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That is so naive.

No, it’s astute.

[NickyLouie]

Go to Israel and see the wealth these Palestinian leaders robbed to build mansions and drive new Mercedes Benz's, they are typical islamic filth that even the other Arab's care little for, they made their own bed years ago.

[MrMojoRisin]

9 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

Go to Israel and see the wealth these Palestinian leaders robbed to build mansions and drive new Mercedes Benz's, they are typical islamic filth that even the other Arab's care little for, they made their own bed years ago.

“typical Islamic filth”

 

How charming.

 

In a thread overflowing with thin skinned sooks chomping at the bit to label anyone not an Israel sycophant as antisemitic why is this garbage not surprising.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, MrMojoRisin said:

????????????

 

Seems you’ve wandered off topic a touch here bro.

 

Was it not you just now posting:

 

You don't seem to be able to understand what keeping on topic means , people are not answering your questions because its off topic , can you not understand that ?

 

Pretending Israeli atrocities are off topic to avoid admitting uncomfortable truths is weak as p!ss.

 

In my opinion, the primary driver of anti Israeli sentiment in today’s world is Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, not all of the Elders of Zion garbage of yesteryear.

 

Stop treating humans inhumanly and you’ll find most of the negativity will disappear overnight.

Welcome back.

 

Shame you couldn’t get off your excusionist bus.

 

If someone is vomiting antisemitism that is rooted in the filth that is ‘The Elders of Zion’ then expect it to be called out, just as posting any other antisemitic garbage gets called out.

 

That said, called out by whom? There are enough examples in this thread and I don’t see you objecting to any of them.

 

Antisemitism predates the modern Israeli State, the deliberately offensive and inflammatory antisemitic statements by Abbas grossly and offensively mis represent the facts of the Holocaust, which also occurred before the founding of the modern Israeli state.

 

Abbas is engaging in antisemitism that demonstrably existed before the modern Israeli State.

 

So what were Jews supposed not to do back then? It’s rhetorical question, we’ve had examples of why it’s the Jews fault they have suffered hatred given by overt antisemites above. Historically their mere existence has been enough of a reason for hatred. 

 

“Stop treating humans inhumanly and you’ll find most of the negativity will disappear overnight.”

 

Let’s call that what it is, an excuse for Antisemitism.

 

And clearly irrelevant over the centuries of antisemitism that are a stain on European history.

 

Anyway welcome back.

 

 

[Cory1848]

48 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

“typical Islamic filth”

 

How charming.

 

In a thread overflowing with thin skinned sooks chomping at the bit to label anyone not an Israel sycophant as antisemitic why is this garbage not surprising.

Mr. Mojo: I agree, the “typical Islamic filth” line is way over the top. Otherwise, you are misreading and oversimplifying much of the thread here. Criticizing Israel does not make one an antisemite; there is much in Israeli government policy, especially now, that deserves condemnation. Criticizing Israel exclusively and obsessively *might* be antisemitic, as it indicates a tendency to look for faults particularly in Jewish people. However, lumping Jewish people together as a group and blaming them collectively for vague crimes, as some people here have done, is clearly antisemitic and leads directly to pogroms and other mayhem, as two millennia of history have demonstrated.

 

I don’t know what a “sook” is, but thin-skinned I am not.

[MrMojoRisin]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Welcome back.

 

Shame you couldn’t get off your excusionist bus.

 

If someone is vomiting antisemitism that is rooted in the filth that is ‘The Elders of Zion’ then expect it to be called out, just as posting any other antisemitic garbage gets called out.

 

That said, called out by whom? There are enough examples in this thread and I don’t see you objecting to any of them.

 

Antisemitism predates the modern Israeli State, the deliberately offensive and inflammatory antisemitic statements by Abbas grossly and offensively mis represent the facts of the Holocaust, which also occurred before the founding of the modern Israeli state.

 

Abbas is engaging in antisemitism that demonstrably existed before the modern Israeli State.

 

So what were Jews supposed not to do back then? It’s rhetorical question, we’ve had examples of why it’s the Jews fault they have suffered hatred given by overt antisemites above. Historically their mere existence has been enough of a reason for hatred. 

 

“Stop treating humans inhumanly and you’ll find most of the negativity will disappear overnight.”

 

Let’s call that what it is, an excuse for Antisemitism.

 

And clearly irrelevant over the centuries of antisemitism that are a stain on European history.

 

Anyway welcome back.

 

 

Accusations of antisemitism have become an excuse for Israeli atrocities.
 

Objections to Israeli domestic policies, settlements, occupation, or treatment of the Palestinians are political positions, not antisemitic slurs.

This is true even when the criticism is harsh, controversial, or makes some people uncomfortable. Israel is a country like any other, and it deserves criticism like any other.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Accusations of antisemitism have become an excuse for Israeli atrocities.
 

Objections to Israeli domestic policies, settlements, occupation, or treatment of the Palestinians are political positions, not antisemitic slurs.

This is true even when the criticism is harsh, controversial, or makes some people uncomfortable. Israel is a country like any other, and it deserves criticism like any other.

 

We should have a thread on this.

 

Meanwhile:

 

“Stop treating humans inhumanly and you’ll find most of the negativity will disappear overnight.”

 

Both and at the same time historically false and excusionist.

 

Not your finest moment.

[MrMojoRisin]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Both and at the same time historically false and excusionist.

How is it false - there has never been a period without Israel violence against Palestinians to prove your assertion.

 

Remove the cause of legitimate criticism and you will eliminate legitimate criticism.

 

Excusionist?

[JackGats]

What did he say that was so wrong? He seems to have meant the Jews got exterminated on grounds of social stigma and not on grounds of their religion or because the Jews were hated per se for no reason. Another storm in a tea cup. It would be time for the holocaust watchdogs to stop censoring every statement that doesn't square 100% with their own phraseology.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

How is it false - there has never been a period without Israel violence against Palestinians to prove your assertion.

 

Remove the cause of legitimate criticism and you will eliminate legitimate criticism.

 

Excusionist?

You are consistently attempting to excuse Abbas’ deliberately offensive and inflammatory antisemitic statements with off topic arguments, refer my italicized extract of your post.

 

Antisemitism existed before the Israeli State and therefore the Israeli State didn’t have to even exist, let alone do anything for Jews to suffer antisemitism.

 

Deal with the topic of discussion:

 

“Outrage over Abbas's antisemitic speech on Jews and Holocaust”

 

And quit with excusing  antisemitism.

 

Edited September 10, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, JackGats said:

What did he say that was so wrong? He seems to have meant the Jews got exterminated on grounds of social stigma and not on grounds of their religion or because the Jews were hated per se for no reason. Another storm in a tea cup. It would be time for the holocaust watchdogs to stop censoring every statement that doesn't square 100% with their own phraseology.

 

 

There’s probably a good reason for your ignorance, I’ll be kind and suggest it’s not deliberate.

[Jingthing]

27 minutes ago, JackGats said:

What did he say that was so wrong? He seems to have meant the Jews got exterminated on grounds of social stigma and not on grounds of their religion or because the Jews were hated per se for no reason. Another storm in a tea cup. It would be time for the holocaust watchdogs to stop censoring every statement that doesn't square 100% with their own phraseology.

 

 

Nazi ideology about Jews was about RACE. They believed Jews are an inferior RACE and portrayed them as rats. A Jew being religious or not was irrelevant. Everyone wants to kill rats. Of course Jews are not a race but Nazi ideology said they are. The basis of Nazism ironically came from the American eugenics movement.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’s probably a good reason for your ignorance, I’ll be kind and suggest it’s not deliberate.

You're too kind.

[JackGats]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Nazi ideology about Jews was about RACE. They believed Jews are an inferior RACE and portrayed them as rats. A Jew being religious or not was irrelevant. Everyone wants to kill rats. Of course Jews are not a race but Nazi ideology said they are. The basis of Nazism ironically came from the American eugenics movement.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

Which has been known and repeated and taken as read thousands of time by now, but is neither here nor there. The issue is the Palestinian getting vilified for stating trivialities.

[MrMojoRisin]

38 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are consistently attempting to excuse Abbas’ deliberately offensive and inflammatory antisemitic statements with off topic arguments, refer my italicized extract of your post.

 

Antisemitism existed before the Israeli State and therefore the Israeli State didn’t have to even exist, let alone do anything for Jews to suffer antisemitism.

 

Deal with the topic of discussion:

 

“Outrage over Abbas's antisemitic speech on Jews and Holocaust”

 

And quit with excusing  antisemitism.

 

I have repeatedly condemned Abbas’ comments as well as Palestinian terrorism.

 

You have run in circles to avoid commenting on the reality that Israeli crimes against Palestinians increase the amount of antisemitism in the world.

 

Abbas’ comments have harmed the Palestinian cause just as Israel’s murderous and inhumane occupation of Palestine harms the Israeli cause.

 

Stop hiding from the topic with unceasing avoidance and incessant false accusations of antisemitism.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

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Stop hiding from the topic with unceasing avoidance and incessant false accusations of antisemitism.

Refer to top of thread for topic.

 

If someone posts antisemitism, I see no reason not to call it out.

 

I have not called you personally an antisemite.

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, JackGats said:

Which has been known and repeated and taken as read thousands of time by now, but is neither here nor there. The issue is the Palestinian getting vilified for stating trivialities.

Abbas’s words are not trivial.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Refer to top of thread for topic.

 

If someone posts antisemitism, I see no reason not to call it out.

 

I have not called you personally an antisemite.

You run in circles to avoid commenting on the reality that Israeli crimes against Palestinian’s increase the amount of antisemitism in the world.

[MrMojoRisin]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Abbas’s words are not trivial.

 Nor are the murders of Palestinians committed by the state of Israel.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

You run in circles to avoid commenting on the reality that Israeli crimes against Palestinian’s increase the amount of antisemitism in the world.

Because that’s not the subject of discussion.

 

Feel free to request a thread on the topic.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 Nor are the murders of Palestinians committed by the state of Israel.

We should have a thread on that.

 

In the past we have, and in those threads I have commented.

[JoseThailand]

On 9/8/2023 at 1:56 PM, billd766 said:

Hypocrisy from the Israelis who are doing to the Palestinians what the Germans did to the Jews before and during WW2.

You mean giving them first class medical treatment for free after they commit terrorist attacks in Israel?

Edited September 10, 2023 by JoseThailand

[MrMojoRisin]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because that’s not the subject of discussion.

 

Feel free to request a thread on the topic.

Who are you kidding?

 

You’ve got nothing to say other than:

 

1. Israel = good

2. Palestine = evil

3. Anyone who disagrees = antisemite

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Who are you kidding?

 

You’ve got nothing to say other than:

 

1. Israel = good

2. Palestine = evil

3. Anyone who disagrees = antisemite

Nonsense.

 

I’ve never said 1, or 2 therefore I can’t possibly have said 3.

 

I’ve not expressed any of my views on Palestine or Israel, well, not in this thread.

 

Because doing so would be off topic.