Blood pressure & testereone

[RocketDog]

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

First of all what are you taking 150ml of? Or are you talking about mg?

 

Yes testosterone  can give high blood pressure if you not exercise, overdose, bad diet, alcohol, high hemoglobin, hematocrit, and also if you do not drink enough water daily and become dehydrated,  can also influence your bloodpressure.

 

150mg a week is overdosing, and also 125mg regardless what testosterone you take.

 

What does your blood work show you?

 

Not long ago, you asked about trt, when did you start?

You caught the same discrepancy I did in the OP.

The most common concentrations of T are 200-250 mg/ml of injectable drug.

So let's hope he means mg instead of ml. Either way for a weekly dose that's massive.

Perhaps he means that his actual dose is 125microliters  of the drug, which would then be around only 25 mg T per week. A much more common dose.

A blood test is only about 400-500 ฿. Normal range for males is 500-1100 ng/dL.

Hormones are very potent drugs. Understanding dosage is paramount.

 

 

 

[TimeMachine]

6 hours ago, still kicking said:

So my blood pressure is 115 to 75 is that OK?

Not if you feel like krapp. If you feel fine then you are fine. 

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, TimeMachine said:

Not if you feel like krapp. If you feel fine then you are fine. 

???? 

 

How you feel doesn't prove anything about how you are physically in shape or healthy.

 

You can feel like deleted, but be physically healthy, and you can also feel good, but be physically deleted.

 

 

https://www.heart.org/en/health-topics/high-blood-pressure/understanding-blood-pressure-readings

 

[Ben Zioner]

12 hours ago, TimeMachine said:

Yes mine at 160 too. No Biggie when you feel ok and are exercising. Doesn't necessarily mean arteries are gonna clog up and you die next day. The most ive had is 220 while not on test and at that rate I had severe problems. Other stress issues. Some people have naturally very high pulse rate and blood pressure rates. More to it than just one reading on a meter being higher than perfect 120. But you are the master of your own domain . Good luck with whatever you try to improve your overall health. Try it all and go with what works and makes you feel good.

Couldn't find the "this is ridiculous" emoticon.

[TimeMachine]

54 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Couldn't find the "this is ridiculous" emoticon.

Come back in twenty years to see me kicking goals and you'll be looking for the legend emoticon.

[The Theory]

On 9/10/2023 at 1:56 PM, georgegeorgia said:

Salt ?

I cut salt long ago. It helped a lot (from 130 to 115 average), even though blood pressure is a family problem. I always order food : no salt, no msg, no sugar. Try not having any snack or cookies (some bread are very high in salt) Perhaps not much taste but I rather to eat a tasteless food than having a major health problem. Alcohol is important as well, better cut that too. I did.  
I run every other day. Exercise is very important, jogging ????‍♂️  works too. 

[newbee2022]

On 9/10/2023 at 1:56 PM, georgegeorgia said:

My blood pressure is 163 

 

My GP in Australia wants me to take Aldoprome 5mg a day to see if it goes down 

 

Whilst in Thailand I prescription 150ml  a week of testereone,my Australian GP is not in support of that and suggested it's no benefit to me only in raising my Blood pressure, I have cut it down to 125 a week Injections 

 

He suggests cutting out the testereone to see if it goes down, the BP that is 

 

I find taking the testereone addiction and I can't stop as it gives me high energy a few days  after taking it until I feel tired again indeed more , I am finding I get short tempered but I feel good 

 

I think he has it wrong , what other things could be causing my high BP?

Did anyone else get high BP taking testereone?

 

Could it be something else? Salt ?

It's proven that high testosterone levels will cause high blood pressure. Salt in addition too. So take actions. ????

[JBChiangRai]

Being in my 60's, I would never take Testosterone because of the increased risk of Prostate Cancer.

 

There are lots of risks with taking it, there's a chart below but the most significant is Prostate Cancer.

 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, The Theory said:

I cut salt long ago. It helped a lot (from 130 to 115 average), even though blood pressure is a family problem. I always order food : no salt, no msg, no sugar. Try not having any snack or cookies (some bread are very high in salt) Perhaps not much taste but I rather to eat a tasteless food than having a major health problem. Alcohol is important as well, better cut that too. I did.  
I run every other day. Exercise is very important, jogging ????‍♂️  works too. 

Still salt is essential for good health, but really bad if to much.

 

Dehydration is also a great problem for many especially in Thailand.

[The Theory]

7 hours ago, still kicking said:

So my blood pressure is 115 to 75 is that OK?

Too low pressure is not good either (75 !!!) 

mine is min 100 max 120, but it used to be 130. 

[The Theory]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Still salt is essential for good health, but really bad if to much.

Some salt in anything. We can't get away from that 100%. But most foods are very high in sodium that we need to avoid. 

[Kwaibill]

For what it’s worth I have had moderately high BP since my forties. Two full on ischemic strokes, one TIA, and a few heart attacks. Dietary changes and moderate exercise lost one hundred pounds and had the docs take me off BP meds as I was having fainting spells from low BP. After a couple of bone breaking falls the BP has been creeping up again as bed rest inhibits my exercise. I also have a bit of trouble drinking enough water.

All anecdotal; YMMV.

[TimeMachine]

45 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Still salt is essential for good health, but really bad if to much.

 

Dehydration is also a great problem for many especially in Thailand.

There is evidence presented in other YouTube vids that normally thought of dangerous levels of salt is in fact good when converting over to ketosis. The many  studies suggesting a result I think are a load of nonny. Because they overlook many side facts. The person on high salt with high blood pressure may not be exercising as hard and other factors. One thing for sure the doctors will always protect the economies of the market. Wheat is not something that I react well to but yet it is still promoted in our diets. Forget the salt issue and others. Get rid of wheat first.

[mania]

1 hour ago, Kwaibill said:

After a couple of bone breaking falls the BP has been creeping up again as bed rest inhibits my exercise

This is something Dr Peter Attia has spoken about.

 

"When I came across the data for what the one-year mortality was for people over the age of 65 who fell and broke their hips or femurs, I thought it couldn't be right. Somewhere between 10% to 30% of people who fall and break their hip or femur will be dead within a year."

 

 

 

[habuspasha]

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

Overdose of testosterone can make prostate enlarged. There is no connection between trt and risk of prostate cancer even for the groups at risk

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3424887/

Thank you for article. Good news and conforms with my experience: TRT for last 40 years and low/normal BP.  Recently doubled testosterone gel w/o increasing BP.  Did suffer in 2020 from light-headed episode traced to low salt, since raised to minimum.  Also have had large prostate for which I take finesteride (5mg) and cialis (10mg) and flomax (4 mg).  PSA ok.  Everything checked regularly with top NY urologist.

[scubascuba3]

5 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

I'm no doctor but I wouldn't mess about with blood pressure - I just learned the hard way.

 

A couple of months back my GP told me my BP was a bit high and that I should monitor it for 2 weeks at home and get back to him with the results. He said I might have to go onto medication as I was at risk of having a stroke.  My BP wasn't massively high - can't remember exactly but something like 144/90.

 

I agreed I'd order a machine and carry out the monitoring - I did get the machine but was 'getting round' to doing the monitoring.

 

Long and short - last week I went dizzy at work and had to sit down for a while. Next day when I got out of bed, I couldn't stand up without falling over. All my movements seemed much faster than they really were and my legs wouldn't go where I wanted them to - thought I was just tired so had another 3 hours sleep, woke up, got out of bed - same again but worse.

 

Eventually spent the entire day in hospital having brain scans, ECG's etc. to finally be told that I'd had 2 T.I.A.s (mini strokes).  My BP 4 hours after the T.I.A.s was 185/125.

 

I'm now on medication forever - not a problem.  I consider myself lucky - it could have been far worse - my father had a massive stroke at 56, lost the sight in one eye, never walked again without a stick etc. etc.  Being on meds is a small price to pay I guess.

 

By the way, anyone taking testosterone should make sure they don't have Prostate Cancer first - testosterone feeds Prostate Cancer.

and change your diet, unless healthy already which is unlikely 

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Still salt is essential for good health, but really bad if to much.

 

Dehydration is also a great problem for many especially in Thailand.

i take several electrolytes when exercising and add salt to farang food, all good, everyone's requirements differ

[georgegeorgia]

I'm taking these 5mg a day whatever their çalled , I will see how they go 

 

I don't drink enough water 

This testereone is not good I wish I had never started now 

[MangoKorat]

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

Overdose of testosterone can make prostate enlarged. There is no connection between trt and risk of prostate cancer even for the groups at risk

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3424887/

Disgraceful, you should not spread disinformation! Especially when its disinformation that concerns one of the biggest killers of men over 50.

 

I said nothing about the 'risk' of Prostate Cancer, I said people should get checked for it before taking any form of testosterone. Many people have PC for years without realising it.

 

Do you have PC?  I do and I can tell you that testosterone feeds PC.  Its not exactly that but that's the easiest way to describe it. That is why Hormone Therapy is used as a treatment for those with low grade PC and as part of the treatment for those with higher grades of the disease.  Hormones, usually female, for want of a better term are given in order to block the body's production of testosterone.

 

This information is not from any so called website, its from personal experience. I had over 2 years of hormone therapy - 6 months before Radio Therapy and around 19 months afterwards. The doctors wanted me to have 3 years worth but its not particularly easy to deal with and I stopped it early. That's from personal experience but if you want to quote websites - there are thousands that explain treatments including Hormone Therapy.

 

'Most prostate cancer cells rely on testosterone to grow. Hormone therapy causes prostate cancer cells to die or to grow more slowly.'

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/hormone-therapy-for-prostate-cancer/about/pac-20384737

 

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by MangoKorat

[MangoKorat]

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

and change your diet, unless healthy already which is unlikely 

Actually my diet is fine - I attended to that a few years back due to other health issues.

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Disgraceful, you should not spread disinformation! Especially when its disinformation that concerns one of the biggest killers of men over 50.

 

I said nothing about the 'risk' of Prostate Cancer, I said people should get checked for it before taking any form of testosterone. Many people have PC for years without realising it.

 

Do you have PC?  I do and I can tell you that testosterone feeds PC.  Its not exactly that but that's the easiest way to describe it. That is why Hormone Therapy is used as a treatment for those with low grade PC and as part of the treatment for those with higher grades of the disease.  Hormones, usually female, for want of a better term are given in order to block the body's production of testosterone.

 

This information is not from any so called website, its from personal experience. I had over 2 years of hormone therapy - 6 months before Radio Therapy and around 19 months afterwards. The doctors wanted me to have 3 years worth but its not particularly easy to deal with and I stopped it early. That's from personal experience but if you want to quote websites - there are thousands that explain treatments including Hormone Therapy.

 

'Most prostate cancer cells rely on testosterone to grow. Hormone therapy causes prostate cancer cells to die or to grow more slowly.'

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/hormone-therapy-for-prostate-cancer/about/pac-20384737

 

 

I take it for granted people contact specialist when starting with trt, and it is to stupid to do so without. I really do not feel guilty for spreading misinformation. If you have cancer, that's another situation concerning your specific treatment and your Dr to advise you on your situation. 

 

Overdosing is a common problem when under self administration 

 

Otherwise there is plenty of peer viewed clinical researches to get informed, still, non of us is medical Dr's and still need to contact the right specialists before and during hormone treatment!

 

Testosterone therapy (TTh) in advanced PCa has historically been contraindicated since Huggins and Hodges reported that testosterone activates PCa. Although TTh has been demonstrated to be safe in patients who have undergone treatment for localized PCa, there is extremely limited evidence on its safety in advanced PCa.22. des. 2565 BE

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9850445/

 

[MangoKorat]

17 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I take it for granted people contact specialist when starting with trt, and it is to stupid to do so without. I really do not feel guilty for spreading misinformation. If you have cancer, that's another situation concerning your specific treatment and your Dr to advise you on your situation. 

 

Overdosing is a common problem when under self administration 

 

Otherwise there is plenty of peer viewed clinical researches to get informed, still, non of us is medical Dr's and still need to contact the right specialists before and during hormone treatment!

 

Testosterone therapy (TTh) in advanced PCa has historically been contraindicated since Huggins and Hodges reported that testosterone activates PCa. Although TTh has been demonstrated to be safe in patients who have undergone treatment for localized PCa, there is extremely limited evidence on its safety in advanced PCa.22. des. 2565 BE

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9850445/

 

What you need to realise is that many members 'skim read' - what they are likely to read into your wrongful dismisal of my post is that I was wrong.

 

As evidence, I would suggest that you also 'skim read' my post because nowhere did I talk about testosterone increasing the risk of Prostate Cancer. What I said was that people should get checked for the disease before they consider taking testosterone.

 

To that end I would repeat: Before taking any form of testosterone, men, especially those over 50, should get checked for Prostate Cancer.  Many of you reading this will actually have PC now and not know about it - some may never know they have it.  The majority of men that get PC, get a low grade of the disease.  Taking hormones like testosterone can increase the activity of an existing cancer.

 

However, if like me, you are found to have an agressive form of the disease and you take testosterone, it can be very dangerous.  When I was first diagnosed with PC my oncologist told me I absolutely must not take any testosterone or medications containing it.  Even now, 8 years later when my cancer is dormant, my oncologist says I should not even consider testosterone.

Edited September 12, 2023 by MangoKorat

[MangoKorat]

19 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I take it for granted people contact specialist when starting with trt, and it is to stupid to do so without.

You should not take anything for granted. Testosterone, in all its forms is readily available online and over the counter in Thailand.

 

As men get older and 'certain parts' don't work as well as they used to - some men will believe the glossy ads they read that tell them testosterone will turn them into a stud again. Some also take it to aid building muscle.

 

If that person has Prostate Cancer without knowing it - they can be causing themselves a great deal of harm.

[MangoKorat]

26 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Testosterone therapy (TTh) in advanced PCa has historically been contraindicated since Huggins and Hodges reported that testosterone activates PCa. Although TTh has been demonstrated to be safe in patients who have undergone treatment for localized PCa, there is extremely limited evidence on its safety in advanced PCa.22. des. 2565 BE

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9850445/

Again you are promoting views that claim its OK for Prostate Cancer patients to take testosterone.  For every website that makes such claims, there are a hundred oncologists that would strongly disagree.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

You should not take anything for granted. Testosterone, in all its forms is readily available online and over the counter in Thailand.

 

As men get older and 'certain parts' don't work as well as they used to - some men will believe the glossy ads they read that tell them testosterone will turn them into a stud again. Some also take it to aid building muscle.

 

If that person has Prostate Cancer without knowing it - they can be causing themselves a great deal of harm.

I see now I came wrong out against you, and apologize for that.

 

 

[MangoKorat]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I see now I came wrong out against you, and apologize for that.

 

 

Thank you.

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Again you are promoting views that claim its OK for Prostate Cancer patients to take testosterone.  For every website that makes such claims, there are a hundred oncologists that would strongly disagree.

This is latest researches available I have linked.

 

The biggest contributors to prostate cancer is age and lifestyle. 

 

Again, as stated, hormon treatment is not just something you self administrate. You take necessary blood work, test for cancer, pca, and follow a strict regime for follow up blood work the next years, and finely ever 6 months, or more frequently if necessary.

 

 

[xtrnuno41]

Nothing mentioned on low testosterone, as that one also can give problems.

The so called andro pause for men and women have meno pause.

Like calcium break down on your bones, muscle breakdown, mood changing for instance.

 

Im on blood pressure pills now long time, enalapril and amlodipine.

Took them first simultaneous, but after long time doing so, my weight raised quick.

Change in body? Or medicine? Splitted the medicines, morning/evening and weight was going down again?! Asked pharmacist if it would make difference about how to take them. No was the answer.

As I had also found a Spanish published research report on BPM, which concluded that having blood medicines in evening was more effective. Pharmacist was interested on it, so I send him that research.

Also red about amlodipine it can give you swollen legs and feet, which i had when in Thailand. Not here in my place, but there is tension in the legs.

Of course I tried by not having BPM again for 2 weeks it there was a positive reaction. Also drinking more, as they said it could help. Yeah, it is making choices to found out. However no change and back on BPM again. Or did BPM totally screwed my system now?

 

Medicines are a pain in the ass, as they can give you totally other things in time!

It can easily take up a half year.

Also had statines, but after half year got headaches. At first didnt think about medicines, went to doc, which stated migraine. After some time then the coin dropped for me, medicines?! Why would I have headache?

Stopped statines and my headache was gone. Back to doc, which send me to specialist. However that one continued with other statines, resulting in the same problem. The last one was the worst. After 4 days, wanted to kill myself.

So never ever I will have statines again.

Red a lot about statines and concluded it was a killer. And more and more doctors claim it is not good. It is breaking down muscle, Q10 enzym in your body and many more. Saw docu, people who couldnt walk anymore.

 

Now I notice my libido dropped, changed to low, age? or BPM as I red those medicines kill your libido and maybe with lower testosterone makes it worse and now affects me real.

I notice. Have to make that hated visit to doc again.

My dentist said once, your jawbone is retracting. Low T? Lost 2 teeth, due to weak setting then of redrawing bone? Once had nice teeth setting, but now?

Started with 1 teeth on a chicken bone, weak setting easily break down in this case

then and the one next to it after some time also, as there was no protection from teeth next to it anymore, making it more vulnerable.

I noticed more older people have longer teeth showing, redrawing bone as well, due to hormone issues? So is HMT harmful?

It is bringing in a substance you already had, but is lacking getting older, affecting your body then negative? Well there are negative influences. But dose would be not over, but mild, too much also couldnt be good.  

[MangoKorat]

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

The biggest contributors to prostate cancer is age and lifestyle. 

It doesn't really matter what contributes to PC.  Again, I would remind you, I am now and have throughout this thread, referred to people who already have PC or have not been checked.  If they have it, testosterone can be dangerous.

 

Therefore, I believe it would be sensible for anyone who is considering taking any form of testosterone, to be checked for PC before doing so.

Edited September 12, 2023 by MangoKorat

[OneZero]

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

Overdose of testosterone can make prostate enlarged. There is no connection between trt and risk of prostate cancer even for the groups at risk

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3424887/

MangoKorat was referring to those that already have prostate cancer, advanced or early asymptomatic.

Older men could indeed have an early otherwise slow growing asymptomatic prostate cancer and be none the wiser about its presence.  Testosterone could speed up the malignant growth.