PETERTHEEATER Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 7 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: Cue: EV haters…. An increase in electricity consumption is expected in 2027 due to sales of air cnditioners. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, sungod said: I tend to get out at my destination, kinda defeats the object of traveling otherwise. ???? What triggered my comment, was when I went out to my vehicle yesterday. Walking through BigCX carpark, I passed quite a few cars/trucks with sidelights on, and engine running. Edited September 11, 2023 by jacko45k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sungod Posted September 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, jacko45k said: What triggered my comment, was when I went out to my vehicle yesterday. Walking through BigCX carpark, I passed quite a few cars/trucks with sidelights on, and engine running. I get you, inside school the kids are learning how to protect the planet- in the car park parents are sat there with air con/engines running destroying it! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoguy21 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 8 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: Cue: EV haters…. I am neither a lover or hater of EV's but tell me what the big advantage of them is because I cant find anything to justify the price. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said: I am neither a lover or hater of EV's but tell me what the big advantage of them is because I cant find anything to justify the price. For me the main one is how they drive, silent, very fast and you can't buy ICE performance anywhere near the EV price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: For me the main one is how they drive, silent, very fast and you can't buy ICE performance anywhere near the EV price. @Photoguy21 Yea, what he said, performance. Savings to maintain & operate. They don't cost more than ICEVs. MG EP @ ฿771K MG4 @ ฿869K MG ZS @ ฿949K Comparable featured ICEVs cost same or more. If not having solar, cost for 360kms Comparing MG ZS EV vs ICEV version EV - ฿208 per 360 kms (฿4.5/kWh (46.3kWh) ICEV - ฿1015 per 360 kms (฿39.5/L (14kpL) EV - 20k kms @ ฿11,555 ICEV - 20k kms @ ฿56,388 Edited September 11, 2023 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoguy21 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, KhunLA said: @Photoguy21 Yea, what he said, performance. Savings to maintain & operate. They don't cost more than ICEVs. MG EP @ ฿771K MG4 @ ฿869K MG ZS @ ฿949K Comparable featured ICEVs cost same or more. If not having solar, cost for 360kms Comparing MG ZS EV vs ICEV version EV - ฿208 per 360 kms (฿4.5/kWh (46.3kWh) ICEV - ฿1015 per 360 kms (฿39.5/L (14kpL) What about charging times, battery replacement costs and second hand value? These surely must be a downside to having one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, KhunLA said: @Photoguy21 Yea, what he said, performance. Savings to maintain & operate. They don't cost more than ICEVs. MG EP @ 771K MG4 @ 859K MG ZS @ 949K Comparable featured ICEVs cost same or more. If not having solar, for us, cost for 360kms Comparing MG ZS EV vs ICEV version EV - ฿208 per 360 kms (฿4.5/kWh (46.3kWh) ICEV - ฿1015 per 360 kms (฿39.5/L (14kpL) Is battery leakage not a long term concern for our EV owners? Who haven't opened an old remote control or flashlight to find leaking batteries? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said: What about charging times, battery replacement costs and second hand value? These surely must be a downside to having one My charging is done at home overnight, if traveling far then maybe 20-30 minutes at service station whilst having a coffee. Battery longevity is currently estimated at 15-20 years. Nobody knows about 2nd hand value yet, but I think it's going to be good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Is battery leakage not a long term concern for our EV owners? Who haven't opened an old remote control or flashlight to find leaking batteries? Gruber Motor Company repairing old Tesla Roadster battery packs haven't found any leakage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said: What about charging times, battery replacement costs and second hand value? These surely must be a downside to having one Battery warranty for 8 yrs ICEV petrol cost for 8 yrs = ฿450k ... nuff said If you have to ask the same queries over & over, then EV isn't for you. Not that you would ever consider one anyway. Have a nice day Edited September 11, 2023 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, KhunLA said: If you have to ask the same queries over & over, then EV isn't for you. Not that you would ever consider one anyway. @Photoguy21 That opinion from your anti EV/CH stance: CH makes crap ignorance of batteries and again more ignorance more of your silliness you just can't stop trolling the EV threads .... Just Stop Edited September 11, 2023 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 18 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Gruber Motor Company repairing old Tesla Roadster battery packs haven't found any leakage. That is great ???? and when the Chinese rushed into this new industry and are mass producing cars faster than they can build ships to carry them away, they overnight adopted quality control and moved beyond long traditions of cost cutting? I honestly think it is great you enjoy your EV and your car might operate trouble free for as long as you need. I just fear the Chinese EV miracle might turn into a nightmare for some car owners. Even Japanese cars were junk when they first came along in the '60 and '70. Quality takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 31 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Even Japanese cars were junk when they first came along in the '60 and '70. Quality takes time. I think that is a lesson that cost MG dear. When they came here with MG3, 5 & 6 they were terrible and they lost the confidence of the Thai people, they are clawing it back slowly but it would have been so much better if they got it right first time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: I think that is a lesson that cost MG dear. When they came here with MG3, 5 & 6 they were terrible and they lost the confidence of the Thai people, they are clawing it back slowly but it would have been so much better if they got it right first time. Yes, I peeked at the MG3 when it first got here, and didn't even bother with a test drive, as it met my negative expectations, just on the showroom floor. They certainly turned that around. So glad I took another peek, few years later, MG3 still didn't do much for me, as wanting to move up from the Mazda 2, instead of the same. But the ZS in the other corner of the showroom impressed for ride, price point & value. Edited September 11, 2023 by KhunLA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mithunonthenet Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 And just like China, will Thailand increase the number of coal plants to produce cheap electricity? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/china-ramps-up-coal-power-despite-carbon-neutral-pledges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Who da thought................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, mithunonthenet said: And just like China, will Thailand increase the number of coal plants to produce cheap electricity? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/24/china-ramps-up-coal-power-despite-carbon-neutral-pledges Highly doubtful, as have 2 online now (Rayong & Lampang), and 2 pre-permit stage (Krabi & Songkhla). One planned for PKK got cancelled. PKK, aside from natural gas, went solar, and solar farms almost produces as much as the coal pant would have. Any others are private own/used. Edited September 11, 2023 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GammaGlobulin Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 She's just a girl, yes. But does she know anything about EVs and Power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Aged Grouch Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Thanks to all those co-funders, green radicals, wokes and the rest....the prices will surge for all ....with or without a stupid EV. Glad i got a fuel, non rechargeable hybrid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeMachine Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 20 hours ago, stoner said: right. rather than having an actual discussion. is it not a valid question to ask where this new electricity will come from. and the source. Solar panels. When the sun is out you charge a car. If you look at Google satellites view in places like Australia you can see solar panels on rooftops everywhere. In Thailand. Zero. Obviously petrol cars will be around for many more years to come with the policies in place. It's just humans are not good at organising things. Control and monetization is of first importance. Not the well being and health of planet, animals and people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimeMachine Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Oh my god. Are those solar panels on a roof top in Thailand Bangkok. That's amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 21 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: Don't you think it's more likely that increasing use of EV's triggers more green electricity production? Or that the Gov't subsidies on EV's are part of a wider "Green" plan? I do 100%. Or conversely, there may be complacency, that now private vehicles are not pumping out the pollutants, we can afford a bit more at the power station chimneys! Reducing that requires some focus and long term effort too..... along with public transport, goods transportation (HGVs and the like), trains, lawn mowers and many other sources, even rubbish disposal. I was in Bangkok recently, and despite the electric trains, I felt it unsafe to even breathe with the level of vehicle pollution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoner Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 3 hours ago, TimeMachine said: Oh my god. Are those solar panels on a roof top in Thailand Bangkok. That's amazing! i see you found the 19 solar panels in bangkok. good work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, TimeMachine said: Australia you can see solar panels on rooftops everywhere. In Thailand. Zero. You're not looking very hard. But if you have not interest, I guess you wouldn't notice many things. Whether while out & about or on Gmap. Edited September 12, 2023 by KhunLA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 4 hours ago, jacko45k said: Or conversely, there may be complacency, that now private vehicles are not pumping out the pollutants, we can afford a bit more at the power station chimneys! Reducing that requires some focus and long term effort too..... along with public transport, goods transportation (HGVs and the like), trains, lawn mowers and many other sources, even rubbish disposal. I was in Bangkok recently, and despite the electric trains, I felt it unsafe to even breathe with the level of vehicle pollution. Were you driving an EV, or adding to that pollution? Hopefully not the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivevibes Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Global warming is the biggest scam after the fake pandemic. People that go along with these agendas are intellectually disabled, in other words, completely retarded. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, positivevibes said: Global warming is the biggest scam after the fake pandemic. People that go along with these agendas are intellectually disabled, in other words, completely retarded. And I am a chocolate frog. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, positivevibes said: Global warming is the biggest scam after the fake pandemic. People that go along with these agendas are intellectually disabled, in other words, completely retarded. Good to have some positive vibes at the EV thread ✨️. It is a new technology and I can see it has a segment in the car market. For some people a pickup truck is the right car, others a station car, some need a family saloon. How about a hot hatchback, a SUV or why not, an EV? The "green" argument is total garbage and it is sad that many governments "force" us toward EVs. Let technology and free will decide the future of transportation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivevibes Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Good to have some positive vibes at the EV thread ✨️. It is a new technology and I can see it has a segment in the car market. For some people a pickup truck is the right car, others a station car, some need a family saloon. How about a hot hatchback, a SUV or why not, an EV? The "green" argument is total garbage and it is sad that many governments "force" us toward EVs. Let technology and free will decide the future of transportation. I have made a <deleted> tonne from US oil stocks. Thank you for your hard work. The wokes can go choke on a plant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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