Hunter Biden indicted on three federal gun charges

[Danderman123]

19 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

 

Explain "covfefe" to me.

[Longwood50]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Please provide evidence.

Wall Street Journal 

In testimony to the senate Hunter Biden's business partner Devon Archer testified that Ukraine official 

 

Devon Archer: Hunter Biden, Burisma execs 'called DC' to ...

 

 

 

 

Jul 31, 2566 BE — Devon Archer testified Monday that Hunter Biden and Burisma executives “called D.C." in 2015 to get help from the Obama administration to ...

partner https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-to-fire-prosecutor-for-aid-money/C1C51BB8-3988-4070-869F-CAD3CA0E81D8.html

[Longwood50]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Explain "covfefe" to me.

Gaffe is when you make a mistake, particularly when it is an embarrasing one. 

 

[xylophone]

Just now, Longwood50 said:

Gaffe is when you make a mistake, particularly when it is an embarrasing one. 

 

But not when you are dumb or incompetant like trump??

[Longwood50]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The laptop info you use came from the FBI or Rudy?

The contents of the laptop have not been completely released.  The photos and other information have come from what the FBI has.  To the best of my knowledge neither Rudy or the Apple store employee has publicly released information from the laptop.  It was reported that Rudy turned over the hard drive he had to government officials but it is believed he made a copy.  So there would be at least three hard drives one in possession of the FBI, one with Rudy, and one with the Apple repair store.  Impossible to manipulate all three. 

 

 

[Longwood50]

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

But not when you are dumb or incompetant like trump??

Lets see.  

Trump runs and has for decades the Trump organization.  It is comprised of over 10,000 employees, 500 companies.  144 of those countries are 44 different countries.  So if Trump is dumb, we need more dumb people like him. 

By contrast, Joe Biden has fed at the public trough all of his life and never held a job privately.  His list of accomplishments in the Senate are not legendary they are non-existent. 

Trump is gruff, certainly not gentile and people mistake that crudeness as being dumb.  

Biden is a serial liar and one only has to google Biden and gaffes to see pages of evidence the man is a baffoon and has been so for decades.  The only thing Joe was ever smart about was influence peddling and making his family millionaires in the process.  The trail of USA money going to enterprises that other family members are involved in is numerous.  

This is just one article on Joe using taxpayer money to benefit his family .

https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five-members-of-joe-bidens-family-got-rich-through-his-connections/

[JonnyF]

39 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I don't use nasty, invalid methods to tarnish someone the way you do..

Unless it's Trump.

 

You lefties are hilarious. Defending Joe Biden and all the lies he tells. Claiming Hunter's crimes are minor indiscretions. So tough on guns, unless it's Hunter. So fixated on facts and the truth, unless it's Joe. The hypocrisy is astounding.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/09/12/biden-ground-zero-lie-latest-in-a-long-career-of-falsehoods/

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Unless it's Trump.

 

You lefties are hilarious. Defending Joe Biden and all the lies he tells. Claiming Hunter's crimes are minor indiscretions. So tough on guns, unless it's Hunter. So fixated on facts and the truth, unless it's Joe. The hypocrisy is astounding.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/09/12/biden-ground-zero-lie-latest-in-a-long-career-of-falsehoods/

 

 

 

Nice try at deflection. You are vilifying Joe Biden because of the behavior of one of his four children and a few relatives. That stinks.

[Hawaiian]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

The Democrats have the mantra that "no one is above the law' but the Hunter Biden saga shows they believe that to be a law for "thee and not for me"  

I know this, that if it was Trump who had the evidence on a laptop, the payments coming from Burisma, the money wired to him from the wife of a Russian mayor and deals linking millions in transactions with China he would be wearing an orange jump suit already.  

I agree that no one is above the law.  When laws apply only to some and not to others it undermines society and makes it essentially lawless.  The Hunter Biden story has seriously eroded public confidence that our regulatory agencies are not biased and undermines faith in them.  The same is true of the Trump story where the opposite has occured and agencies are used as weapons.  

Nixon and others used the agencies to target people with tax probes etc.  Herbert Hoover was known to keep secret dossiers on people to exert influence over them.  The practice of not prosecuting some and punishing others by concocting charges has gone on for a long time.  
You see the same here in Thailand.  It is a sad indictment of human behavior. 

 

Money lubricates the wheels of justice.

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Nice try at deflection. You are vilifying Joe Biden because of the behavior of one of his four children and a few relatives. That stinks.

Children are a reflection of their parents. Joe's constant lies reflect that. Like 2 peas in a pod.

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, Longwood50 said:

Lets see.  

Trump runs and has for decades the Trump organization.  It is comprised of over 10,000 employees, 500 companies.  144 of those countries are 44 different countries.  So if Trump is dumb, we need more dumb people like him. 

By contrast, Joe Biden has fed at the public trough all of his life and never held a job privately.  His list of accomplishments in the Senate are not legendary they are non-existent. 

Trump is gruff, certainly not gentile and people mistake that crudeness as being dumb.  

Biden is a serial liar and one only has to google Biden and gaffes to see pages of evidence the man is a baffoon and has been so for decades.  The only thing Joe was ever smart about was influence peddling and making his family millionaires in the process.  The trail of USA money going to enterprises that other family members are involved in is numerous.  

This is just one article on Joe using taxpayer money to benefit his family .

https://nypost.com/2020/01/18/how-five-members-of-joe-bidens-family-got-rich-through-his-connections/

We know enough about TRump without your platitudes. We also know that he is a one term President beatened by the man you try to vilify. Well unless you a election denier like him. 

[ozimoron]

"It is very unlikely that Hunter Biden would be charged with any of these crimes if his last name wasn’t Biden. Charges for possessing a firearm while under the influence of narcotics are rarely brought. False statement charges in this context are also rare."

 

Adding context to Mariotti's remarks, associate law professor Jake Charles shared government sentencing data that purportedly shows that "fewer than 350 people nationwide were sentenced for violating 922(g)(3) in 2021."

 

"DOJ will need to produce data in discovery, which will show that this is the most selective of prosecutions."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/legal-experts-on-biden-indictment/?traffic_source=Connatix

[placeholder]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Children are a reflection of their parents. Joe's constant lies reflect that. Like 2 peas in a pod.

Even if your assertion wasn't simplistic and simple-minded, how would that account for his son Beau and his 2 daughters? And, as you clearly don't recall, you also tarred Biden with the behavior of his brother and his niece.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

The contents of the laptop have not been completely released.  The photos and other information have come from what the FBI has.  To the best of my knowledge neither Rudy or the Apple store employee has publicly released information from the laptop.  It was reported that Rudy turned over the hard drive he had to government officials but it is believed he made a copy.  So there would be at least three hard drives one in possession of the FBI, one with Rudy, and one with the Apple repair store.  Impossible to manipulate all three. 

 

 

"Three weeks before the 2020 United States presidential election, the New York Post published a front-page story that presented emails from the laptop, alleging they showed corruption by Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden. According to the New York Post, the story was based on information provided to Rudy Giuliani, the personal attorney of incumbent president and candidate Donald Trump, by Mac Isaac."

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

"It is very unlikely that Hunter Biden would be charged with any of these crimes if his last name wasn’t Biden. Charges for possessing a firearm while under the influence of narcotics are rarely brought. False statement charges in this context are also rare."

 

Adding context to Mariotti's remarks, associate law professor Jake Charles shared government sentencing data that purportedly shows that "fewer than 350 people nationwide were sentenced for violating 922(g)(3) in 2021."

 

"DOJ will need to produce data in discovery, which will show that this is the most selective of prosecutions."

 

https://www.rawstory.com/legal-experts-on-biden-indictment/?traffic_source=Connatix

Equal justice for everyone should be the practice of DOJ.

[candide]

4 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Federal appeals court strikes down law prohibiting users of illegal drugs from possessing firearms

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/09/politics/appeals-court-firearms-illegal-drug-users/index.html

 

 

Indictment

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23977714-hunter-biden-indictment

 

Three counts, two for making false statements, one possession of a firearm while being an addict.

 

Now tell me how other similar cases are charged and adjudicated? And let's make sure Hunter gets similar treatment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I have absolutely no issue with Hunter Biden being prosecuted under indictments handed down by a Grand Jury.

 

The indictments are in, prosecute and let a jury decide.

 

However, let’s separate indictments handed down by Grand Juries from this crock of nonsense:

 

“….. the meth and cocaine that Hunters own pictures show he was clearly using. ”

 

Come on back to the rational world before it’s too late.

 

I agree. If Hunter Biden is found guilty by a Jury, he should be punished in the same way as anyone else would be, not more nor less. No rant about corrupt judge and other B.S.

Edited September 15, 2023 by candide

[Trippy]

Every one of these political threads are the same. The left thinks they're right, and the right thinks they're right. No compromise, no seeing the other's point of view, no flexibility at all.

Just like the real world, everybody is so dug in their own beliefs there can be no middle ground.

 

Very sad we have come to this.  

 

 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

It's all about deflection. 555.

As you well know. 555

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Please provide evidence for your accusations.

123...third degree...555

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Even if your assertion wasn't simplistic and simple-minded, how would that account for his son Beau and his 2 daughters? And, as you clearly don't recall, you also tarred Biden with the behavior of his brother and his niece.

Beau, the one who died in Iraq?

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-repeats-false-claim-son-beau-died-iraq-states-ran-president-while-vice-president

[candide]

1 hour ago, Longwood50 said:

The contents of the laptop have not been completely released.  The photos and other information have come from what the FBI has.  To the best of my knowledge neither Rudy or the Apple store employee has publicly released information from the laptop.  It was reported that Rudy turned over the hard drive he had to government officials but it is believed he made a copy.  So there would be at least three hard drives one in possession of the FBI, one with Rudy, and one with the Apple repair store.  Impossible to manipulate all three. 

 

 

So, the NYPost got a copy of the laptop 3 years ago, from Giuliani who got it 4 years ago.

Are you believing that:

- if there were any incriminating evidence on the laptop, the right-wing NYPost would not have already found it and published it?

- If there were any incriminating evidence on the laptop, Giuliani, whose mission for Trump has been to get dirt on Biden, would not have disclosed it?

 

Really?

[candide]

41 minutes ago, Trippy said:

Every one of these political threads are the same. The left thinks they're right, and the right thinks they're right. No compromise, no seeing the other's point of view, no flexibility at all.

Just like the real world, everybody is so dug in their own beliefs there can be no middle ground.

 

Very sad we have come to this.  

 

 

The key problem is not the presence of different point of views, it is about disagreeing on facts or just ignoring them (and that's a polite way to express it).

 

For example, more than 50% of Republicans think the 2020 elections have been rigged and that Trump was the winner (including members of this forum).

Edited September 15, 2023 by candide

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

I think there is another interesting twist to this issue: Does the second amendment allow the prohibition of ownership or possession of firearms simply due to a person's actions or activities for which he/she has not been convicted in a court of law? 

 

If the second amendment prevails, the question about drug use is unconstitutional and it becomes irrelevant how Hunter Biden answered it. This may go to the Supreme Court and put the gun-loving conservatives in a bind.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Unless it's Trump.

 

You lefties are hilarious. Defending Joe Biden and all the lies he tells. Claiming Hunter's crimes are minor indiscretions. So tough on guns, unless it's Hunter. So fixated on facts and the truth, unless it's Joe. The hypocrisy is astounding.

 

https://nypost.com/2023/09/12/biden-ground-zero-lie-latest-in-a-long-career-of-falsehoods/

 

 

 

Except when there’s evidence that doesn’t fit your any lefty narrative: 

 

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I have absolutely no issue with Hunter Biden being prosecuted under indictments handed down by a Grand Jury.

 

The indictments are in, prosecute and let a jury decide.

 

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

In the leadup to the 2020 election, 54% of Dem voters thought it was " definitely or probably"

that the election would be rigged.  Crickets after it went their way...

 

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/518987-poll-bipartisan-agreement-on-the-possibility-of-a-rigged/

 

Hardly a vote of confidence in the election process from either side.

It's completely irrelevant. That was before elections, and at that time Democrat voters were worried about voter supression and foreign interference (from the linked article), not fraud. Republican voters believed they would be fraud (Trump was already making this claim before elections, as every time he expected to lose).

 

No precise claims have been made at that time. After claims have been made and debunked by recounts, audits, judges, etc... and several Republicans having stated or even testified that it was B.S., Republicans are still claiming elections have been rigged.

 

Facts: no significant voter suppression and no significant voter fraud occurred in 2020. Only on one side did opinions ultimately conform to facts.

Edited September 15, 2023 by candide

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, candide said:

It's completely irrelevant. That was before elections, and at that time Democrat voters were worried about voter supression and foreign interference (from the linked article), not massive fraud.

 

No precise claims have been made at that time. After claims have been made and debunked by recounts, audits, judges, etc... and several Republicans having stated or even testified that it was B.S., Republicans still believe elections have been rigged

Once again, you're confusing debunked with squelched. 

 

55% of Repubs (along with the 54% of Dems) believed going into the election that it was probably or definitely going to be rigged.  Why would they have a different belief afterward?

 

I don't claim to know if the shenanigans were sufficient to skew the results.  I'm even open to any evidence that shows the reason Trump is so angry is because he didn't get his money's worth.  But don't try to gaslight me into believing that there were no shenanigans.  No late night vote counting, no ballot mules, no dead voters, no vacant lots receiving hundred of ballots....

 

Edit:  I'd add that any long time Repub with presidential ambitions is probably beside himself pissed off that Trump has derailed his/her plans for 3 election cycles.  So I'm not surprised that there's Repubs that would prefer to see him go away.

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by impulse

[candide]

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

Once again, you're confusing debunked with squelched. 

 

55% of Repubs (along with the 54% of Dems) believed going into the election that it was probably or definitely going to be rigged.  Why would they have a different belief afterward?

 

I don't claim to know if the shenanigans were sufficient to skew the results.  I'm even open to any evidence that shows the reason Trump is so angry is because he didn't get his money's worth.  But don't try to gaslight me into believing that there were no shenanigans.  No late night vote counting, no ballot mules, no dead voters, no vacant lots receiving hundred of ballots....

 

Your post is a good demonstration of what I explained in my initial post. 

There can be no agreements whith people living in an alternate universe .

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

In the leadup to the 2020 election, 54% of Dem voters thought it was " definitely or probably"

that the election would be rigged.  Crickets after it went their way...

 

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/518987-poll-bipartisan-agreement-on-the-possibility-of-a-rigged/

 

Hardly a vote of confidence in the election process from either side.

At that time everybody was well aware that Wikileaks had been leaking DNC emails daily and that those emails were coming from the Russians.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Children are a reflection of their parents. Joe's constant lies reflect that. Like 2 peas in a pod.

Perhaps Hunter Biden is a reflection of the tragic events in his life.

 

His other parent having died in the same accident that killed his sister but in which he survived.

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[placeholder]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Beau, the one who died in Iraq?

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-repeats-false-claim-son-beau-died-iraq-states-ran-president-while-vice-president

Another deflection. You've got no defense for singling out Hunter Biden as the proof of some moral flaw in Joe Biden. He has 3 other children, 2 of them still living. And you sunk even lower when you invoked Biden's brother and niece as some kind of evidence of moral turpitude on Joe Biden's part. Bottom feeding much?