Russell Brand and why the allegations took so long to surface

[Social Media]

 

It came as little surprise that the darker corners of the internet were ablaze with conspiracy theories this week, after Russell Brand used his YouTube channel to call the allegations of sexual assault and rape against him a “coordinated attack” and a “serious and concerted agenda” to control his voice.

But even among more mainstream voices, questions were raised about the timing. Toby Young, a former editor at the Spectator, asked if there was a “more innocent” reason why the Times, the Sunday Times and Channel 4 Dispatches had “waited this long to produce their findings”, while the British business magnate Alan Sugar tweeted that it was “strange” that multiple people had come forward at the same time.

 

Others wondered why it had taken so long for the story to be published despite rumours swirling about Brand’s behaviour for years. In the Dispatches documentary Russell Brand: In Plain Sight, the comedian Daniel Sloss said he had heard “allegations and rumours” about Brand, while Deadline reported that Brand was dropped from Comedy Central’s Roast Battle in 2018 after another comedian, Katherine Ryan, repeatedly accused him of being a “sexual predator”.

The reason, according to multiple experts, is simple: publishing stories like this in England and Wales is extremely difficult, and fraught with risk.

“People often think that we have a law that protects free speech here. We don’t. We have a law that protects reputation,” says Caroline Kean, a partner at Wiggin who represented the journalist Catherine Belton when she was sued by multiple Russian billionaires. “Getting stories out like this may sound easy to people who watch a lot of crime dramas, but it’s actually incredibly difficult.”

 

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[2baht]

Jimmy Savile got away with it till he died!

[BritManToo]

Some of the allegations are just silly.

1. Allegation "He exposed himself to me"

2. Q: "Were were you at the time", A: "In the toilet with him"

 

Hard to go to the toilet without getting it out!

And why was she in there with him?

[daveAustin]

Took time because the media people went out there chasing down his previous exploits for 'the story'. The bloke is not my favourite; is mouthy, pretty arrogant and has done some rubbish stuff, like dissing Andrews Sachs, and deserves to be punished IF he is guilty. This whole thing of the media passing judgement is disgusting and needs to end. People are having their lives ruined by mere accusation. Take the benevolent Cliff Richard, for example. The bloke is now a complete wreck because one person with low character decided to accuse him of something, and yet they can go about their life like nothing happened. This kind of thing can happen to any of us if a woman/man from a previous encounter decides to change their mind.

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Take the benevolent Cliff Richard, for example. The bloke is now a complete wreck because one person with low character decided to accuse him of something,

These rumours have been around for many years, I first heard it when working for the BBC in the 1980s.

[Bkk Brian]

A disrespectful tool even without all the allegations against him. Nice to see him owned by Rod Stewart sticking up for his daughter after Brand publicly mocked her at the G2 awards.

 

"Rod reacted to Brand's comments later in the evening when he accepted his Outstanding Achiever award in recognition of his career in music. Standing on stage as he collected his gong, Rod ordered Brand to "stand up" as he asked the comic: "You went with my daughter, did you?"

Brand seemingly retracted his original statements, claiming "I never touched that girl" during the exchange with Rod. Maggie May singer Rod hit back, telling Brand: "“F***ing right, you didn’t. You mustn’t come up here and boast. I speak here as a father."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/rod-stewart-pleased-put-russell-30991879

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Took time because the media people went out there chasing down his previous exploits for 'the story'. The bloke is not my favourite; is mouthy, pretty arrogant and has done some rubbish stuff, like dissing Andrews Sachs, and deserves to be punished IF he is guilty. This whole thing of the media passing judgement is disgusting and needs to end. People are having their lives ruined by mere accusation. Take the benevolent Cliff Richard, for example. The bloke is now a complete wreck because one person with low character decided to accuse him of something, and yet they can go about their life like nothing happened. This kind of thing can happen to any of us if a woman/man from a previous encounter decides to change their mind.

You perhaps miss the vitriol frequently heaped on women who report rape and other sexual crimes. Women do not report rape without suffering consequences for having done so.

 

Here on this forum Brand’s accusers have been openly referred to as ‘sluts’.

 

 

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

This kind of thing can happen to any of us if a woman/man from a previous encounter decides to change their mind.

No it can't.  Some people say this all the time in defense of high profile men who've been accused.  Why do you guys do this?  Do you worry it might happen to you?  If you haven't done anything wrong, you need not worry.  I don't worry even a little bit.  And I've been with many, many women in my lifetime.  But the likes of Brand, Andrew Tate, et al, yeah, they should worry.

[bendejo]

Man, this clown really got the publicity in gear.  He makes comments about anyone, and that person comments on the comment, as so it goes.

That MIrror seems to have a whole sub-section dedicated to him.

 

[Smokey and the Bandit]

4 hours ago, 2baht said:

Jimmy Savile got away with it till he died!

Yes correct, but are you comparing Saville to Brand?

[2baht]

14 minutes ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

Yes correct, but are you comparing Saville to Brand?

Did I mention them in the same sentence?

[Adumbration]

#Me Too

[mikeymike100]

The problem is that the media have seemingly already decided his guilt? Having watched the documentary I would sat this guy is obnoxious, arrogant, narcissistic and not talented, just my opinion, but everyone deserves due process. The 4 women in question who accused him of rape, assault etc did so after over 10 years? None of them had filed a police report at the time?

As yet no charges have been filed, but social media has him in prison already?

[Smokey and the Bandit]

10 minutes ago, 2baht said:

Did I mention them in the same sentence?

No, so you are not?

[mikeymike100]

12 minutes ago, 2baht said:

Did I mention them in the same sentence?

So why mention Jimmy Saville at all?

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

A disrespectful tool even without all the allegations against him. Nice to see him owned by Rod Stewart sticking up for his daughter after Brand publicly mocked her at the G2 awards.

 

"Rod reacted to Brand's comments later in the evening when he accepted his Outstanding Achiever award in recognition of his career in music. Standing on stage as he collected his gong, Rod ordered Brand to "stand up" as he asked the comic: "You went with my daughter, did you?"

Brand seemingly retracted his original statements, claiming "I never touched that girl" during the exchange with Rod. Maggie May singer Rod hit back, telling Brand: "“F***ing right, you didn’t. You mustn’t come up here and boast. I speak here as a father."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/rod-stewart-pleased-put-russell-30991879

 

 

Yes he is a tool. I can't stand him.

 

That doesn't mean we can vilify him and take away his right to earn a living on the basis of an unproven accusation.

 

Innocent until proven guilty. Due process. Kind of important concepts, even for people we don't like or have opposing political views.

[2baht]

10 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

So why mention Jimmy Saville at all?

It can take a long time for the truth to emerge in cases like this!

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Yes he is a tool. I can't stand him.

 

That doesn't mean we can vilify him and take away his right to earn a living on the basis of an unproven accusation.

 

Innocent until proven guilty. Due process. Kind of important concepts, even for people we don't like or have opposing political views.

Where is your evidence to back your repeated claims that Brand’s political views are anything at all to do with the allegations made against him?

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Yes he is a tool. I can't stand him.

 

That doesn't mean we can vilify him and take away his right to earn a living on the basis of an unproven accusation.

 

Innocent until proven guilty. Due process. Kind of important concepts, even for people we don't like or have opposing political views.

I said I he's a tool so more than happy to vilify him, I notice you did the same........

[Bkk Brian]

This time getting put in checkmate by Bob Geldof when Brand was hosting the NME awards and deliberately mispronounced Sir Bob's name. Announcing the winner Russell said: "Of course the winner is Live Aid so please welcome to the stage Sir Bobby Gandalf."

 

 

[Irish star]

5 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

It came as little surprise that the darker corners of the internet were ablaze with conspiracy theories this week, after Russell Brand used his YouTube channel to call the allegations of sexual assault and rape against him a “coordinated attack” and a “serious and concerted agenda” to control his voice.

But even among more mainstream voices, questions were raised about the timing. Toby Young, a former editor at the Spectator, asked if there was a “more innocent” reason why the Times, the Sunday Times and Channel 4 Dispatches had “waited this long to produce their findings”, while the British business magnate Alan Sugar tweeted that it was “strange” that multiple people had come forward at the same time.

 

Others wondered why it had taken so long for the story to be published despite rumours swirling about Brand’s behaviour for years. In the Dispatches documentary Russell Brand: In Plain Sight, the comedian Daniel Sloss said he had heard “allegations and rumours” about Brand, while Deadline reported that Brand was dropped from Comedy Central’s Roast Battle in 2018 after another comedian, Katherine Ryan, repeatedly accused him of being a “sexual predator”.

The reason, according to multiple experts, is simple: publishing stories like this in England and Wales is extremely difficult, and fraught with risk.

“People often think that we have a law that protects free speech here. We don’t. We have a law that protects reputation,” says Caroline Kean, a partner at Wiggin who represented the journalist Catherine Belton when she was sued by multiple Russian billionaires. “Getting stories out like this may sound easy to people who watch a lot of crime dramas, but it’s actually incredibly difficult.”

 

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I wonder if Katy Perry had any insight to his behavior 

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I said I he's a tool so more than happy to vilify him, I notice you did the same........

I see your bigotry is not limited to Christians.

 

Bravo. You must be proud of yourself.

 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I see your bigotry is not limited to Christians.

 

Bravo. You must be proud of yourself.

 

Bigotry....lol

 

Off topic unfounded nonsense, suggest you re visit the thread and topic from a few months ago on that. 

 

As for Brand, I note you agree he's a tool.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Where is your evidence to back your repeated claims that Brand’s political views are anything at all to do with the allegations made against him?

 

 

Yes, everyone knows that it's just a coincidence that when people previously of the left, that are used to getting a pass come out against the left, all of the sudden the stuff they got a pass for becomes relevant. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yes, everyone knows that it's just a coincidence that when people previously of the left, that are used to getting a pass come out against the left, all of the sudden the stuff they got a pass for becomes relevant. 

 

 

More conspiracy nonsense.

 

Oddly, the media reporting allegations against Brand span the political spectrum.

 

It might just be, and I’m putting this out there, that the serious allegations against Brand are newsworthy, especially given he’s famous.

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Chomper Higgot

[Yellowtail]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More conspiracy nonsense.

 

Oddly, the media reporting allegations against Brand span the political spectrum.

Spectrum, that's hilarious. Do you have a link that supports that? 

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

It might just be, and I’m putting this out there, that the serious allegations against Brand are newsworthy, especially given he’s famous.

 

 

I agree, that's why it's curious he's gotten a pass up until now. 

 

If he has forcibly raped someone, I hope he is executed. 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2023 by Yellowtail

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Spectrum, that's hilarious. 

I agree, that's why it's curious he's gotten a pass up until now. 

 

If he has forcibly raped someone, I hope he is executed. 

 

 

The UK don’t execute criminals.

 

He’s under investigation, he hasn’t been charged with any crime.

 

It’s not at all unusual for sex abusers to commit their crimes over many years before being brought to Justice.

 

The UK’s media sits on a spectrum between rightwing through to left wing.

 

The allegations against Brand were investigated and exposed by both right and left leaning media.

 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK don’t execute criminals.

 

He’s under investigation, he hasn’t been charged with any crime.

Yet people want to ruin his life. 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

 

It’s not at all unusual for sex abusers to commit their crimes over many years before being brought to Justice.

Do you have any data/links that support this or is it just your opinion? 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK’s media sits on a spectrum between rightwing through to left wing.

I meant mainstream media, not podcast and whatnot. 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The allegations against Brand were investigated and exposed by both right and left leaning media.

Do you have any data/links/example that support this or is it just your opinion? 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The UK don’t execute criminals.

 

Too bad

[Purdey]

It seems people are increasingly found guilty without entering a court of law.