Defiant Trump turns up at $250m New York fraud trial to blast 'scam'

[thaibeachlovers]

22 minutes ago, neeray said:

Keep dreaming and cheering. The convicted sex criminal and biggest fraudster USA has ever experienced is going down on this one plus many of the other 91 indictments. This is about justice, NOT politics.

Your lot has been saying that for the last 6 or 7 years. Never happened though.

I'll keep cheering as long as he's against the establishment.

[Realworld]

On 10/4/2023 at 3:16 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing to say other than pathetic insults?

How can the truth be an insult? Even it if hurts you feelings.

 

Your posts display that you have no understanding about this case and hearing. 

 

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Your lot has been saying that for the last 6 or 7 years. Never happened though.

I'll keep cheering as long as he's against the establishment.

Watch and learn.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/4/2023 at 5:52 AM, Realworld said:

How can the truth be an insult? Even it if hurts you feelings.

 

Your posts display that you have no understanding about this case and hearing. 

 

The actual comment I responded to was "He is not a Thai retiree, he even failed on that. He is just another Dunning Kruger expert."

 

I didn't "fail" on that. I chose to leave.

I don't even know who Dunning Kruger is to be an "expert" on him.

 

So, you are making it up.

 

BTW, it doesn't hurt my feelings as it's just anonymous posters hiding behind a computer attacking other posters because they have no better argument.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Watch and learn.

Sure, but I won't be holding my breath.

[RichardColeman]

Most of this trial is totally bogus - the fact a judge with no history of real estate has said that trumps home in Florida is worth 18 million dollars, when it would sell for half a billion up is all you need to know about this sham. Mar-a-Lago  is 20 plus acres of prime real estate, the building has 128 rooms - including 58 bedroom & 33 bathrooms. Smaller empty lots are up for sale at over $100,000,000 so how can a judge possibly be worth 18 ? Total sham.

 

Like him or loathe him - at least play fair, but what do you expect with  democrat prosecutor and a democrat judge in a democrat state ? 

[Danderman123]

35 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Your lot has been saying that for the last 6 or 7 years. Never happened though.

I'll keep cheering as long as he's against the establishment.

The man who gave an 8 trillion tax break to billionaires is anti-establishment?

 

You seem very confused. Too much Kool-Ade for you!

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The man who gave an 8 trillion tax break to billionaires is anti-establishment?

 

You seem very confused. Too much Kool-Ade for you!

Are all billionaires in the USA in Washington politics?

 

Are you confusing the "Washington establishment" with rich people?

[Danderman123]

9 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Most of this trial is totally bogus - the fact a judge with no history of real estate has said that trumps home in Florida is worth 18 million dollars, when it would sell for half a billion up is all you need to know about this sham. 

Trump told the tax appraiser that Mar-A-Lago was worth $27 million

 

You are misinformed. Trump tells the ta man that it's worth $27 million, he tells the banks its worth $1 billion.

 

That's fraud.

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Most of this trial is totally bogus - the fact a judge with no history of real estate has said that trumps home in Florida is worth 18 million dollars, when it would sell for half a billion up is all you need to know about this sham. Mar-a-Lago  is 20 plus acres of prime real estate, the building has 128 rooms - including 58 bedroom & 33 bathrooms. Smaller empty lots are up for sale at over $100,000,000 so how can a judge possibly be worth 18 ? Total sham.

 

Like him or loathe him - at least play fair, but what do you expect with  democrat prosecutor and a democrat judge in a democrat state ? 

So why did Trumps own company in 2020 agree with a property appraiser that it was worth just $27 million?

 

In fact, the judge had cited Palm Beach County Property Appraiser valuations putting the property at between $18 million and $28 million, depending on the year, from 2011 to 2021.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-mar-a-lago-1-8-billion-own-company-said-it-was-too-high/

[Danderman123]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Are all billionaires in the USA in Washington politics?

 

Are you confusing the "Washington establishment" with rich people?

Rich people run this country. Trump is one of them.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Rich people run this country. Trump is one of them.

Perhaps, but that does not change that when I refer to the Establishment I am referring to Washington.

 

I thought that was self evident, but I appear to be mistaken about that with certain posters.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

Rich people run this country. Trump is one of them.

Yea but he'll be fuming after hearing this one.....lol

 

Trump drops off Forbes 400 list of wealthiest Americans

The ranking comes a week after a New York state judge ruled ahead of Trump's civil fraud trial, which began this week, that he committed fraud by exaggerating his net worth on financial records.

N.Y. Attorney General Letitia James alleges in a court filing that Trump's annual net worth was exaggerated by 17-39%, or between $812 million and $2.2 billion, during the period 2011 to 2021.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/03/trump-drops-off-forbes-rich-list

[Danderman123]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps, but that does not change that when I refer to the Establishment I am referring to Washington.

 

I thought that was self evident, but I appear to be mistaken about that with certain posters.

The Washington Establishment is largely funded by the wealthy.

 

If you want someone outside the Establishment, that would be labor unions.

 

Trump fits right in with the wealthy and their minions in Washington. 

[Realworld]

14 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Most of this trial is totally bogus - the fact a judge with no history of real estate has said that trumps home in Florida is worth 18 million dollars, when it would sell for half a billion up is all you need to know about this sham. Mar-a-Lago  is 20 plus acres of prime real estate, the building has 128 rooms - including 58 bedroom & 33 bathrooms. Smaller empty lots are up for sale at over $100,000,000 so how can a judge possibly be worth 18 ? Total sham.

 

Like him or loathe him - at least play fair, but what do you expect with  democrat prosecutor and a democrat judge in a democrat state ? 

Another one who can not understand facts of the case. It’s trumps own claims that got him found guilty of fraud.

 

Your in a cult, facts are too difficult, when it does meet your fake beliefs.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

The Washington Establishment is largely funded by the wealthy.

 

If you want someone outside the Establishment, that would be labor unions.

 

Trump fits right in with the wealthy and their minions in Washington. 

There you go again.

I make a simple statement about what I'm referring to, and you come back with a deflection.

[Realworld]

On 10/4/2023 at 6:12 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

The actual comment I responded to was "He is not a Thai retiree, he even failed on that. He is just another Dunning Kruger expert."

 

I didn't "fail" on that. I chose to leave.

I don't even know who Dunning Kruger is to be an "expert" on him.

 

So, you are making it up.

 

BTW, it doesn't hurt my feelings as it's just anonymous posters hiding behind a computer attacking other posters because they have no better argument.

55555

 

You have always posted you failed in Thailand, but it was never your fault, always someone else to blame, same narcissistic trait as your cult hero.

 

[RichardColeman]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If you want someone outside the Establishment, that would be labor unions.

Ah, those would be the ones currently on strike and destroying the future of the USA car industry ? 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Realworld said:

Another one who can not understand facts of the case. It’s trumps own claims that got him found guilty of fraud.

 

Your in a cult, facts are too difficult, when it does meet your fake beliefs.

Is it necessary to include insults in your posts when you disagree with a poster?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/4/2023 at 6:38 AM, Realworld said:

55555

 

You have always posted you failed in Thailand, but it was never your fault, always someone else to blame, same narcissistic trait as your cult hero.

 

Quote me saying that or you are just making it up.

[Danderman123]

Just now, RichardColeman said:

Ah, those would be the ones currently on strike and destroying the future of the USA car industry ? 

You are making my point for me.

 

The unions are outside the Washington Establishment, and you hate them.

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There you go again.

I make a simple statement about what I'm referring to, and you come back with a deflection.

The labor unions are a valid example, because the rich hate them, as does Trump. Because Trump lives in the Establishment.

[Cardinalblue1958]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Go Mr Trump go, and expose the politics involved in bringing this case at this very point in time.

I hope he gets damages when the case against him personally is dismissed.

We even have MAGAs over here in thailand? 

[Tug]

12 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Ah, those would be the ones currently on strike and destroying the future of the USA car industry ? 

No they ARE the car industry they just want a better share of what THEY created sustained maintained and give life to it

[sammieuk1]

Is there anything he is not guilty of? ..answers on a pinhead.. lock it up ????

[JCauto]

22 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said:

Sorry... opening day did not ignite the hate and vitriol that you are looking for... instead it had the court vacate about 80% of the charges.

I think you should know by now that whatever "facts" the ex-President spouts are unlikely to be rooted in veracity. This is completely untrue.

He is referring to 80% of the charges relating to things that occurred prior to the statute of limitations expiring. Unfortunately (for him), however, if those actions were tied to subsequent ones, then it's not relevant and the charges stand. Also the Judge notes that a reoccurrence of the crime that had expired restarts the statute of limitations. So he's got two different hurdles he needs to get over to have those charges dismissed, and there will still be 20% of the charges remaining afterwards regardless. One should also note that the presiding Judge has also ruled that those 80% of the charges are NOT dismissed. So you have to appeal to get that situation changed.

Glad I was able to clear that up for you.

[JCauto]

19 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Way to go Trump with the name calling of the judge when he is the sole arbiter of the fraud charges. His lawyers look mortified by Trump’s idiocy. 

Are you sure they're not mortified to realize that they could have simply ticked a box on the form and had a jury trial instead of putting it in the hands of the Judge?

[JCauto]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Your lot has been saying that for the last 6 or 7 years. Never happened though.

I'll keep cheering as long as he's against the establishment.

The wheels of justice turn slowly but grind exceedingly fine...

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Your lot has been saying that for the last 6 or 7 years. Never happened though.

I'll keep cheering as long as he's against the establishment.

And yet here we are, and here is Trump sat in court cowed by the authority of the judge. 
 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

Most of this trial is totally bogus - the fact a judge with no history of real estate has said that trumps home in Florida is worth 18 million dollars, when it would sell for half a billion up is all you need to know about this sham. Mar-a-Lago  is 20 plus acres of prime real estate, the building has 128 rooms - including 58 bedroom & 33 bathrooms. Smaller empty lots are up for sale at over $100,000,000 so how can a judge possibly be worth 18 ? Total sham.

 

Like him or loathe him - at least play fair, but what do you expect with  democrat prosecutor and a democrat judge in a democrat state ? 

The judge doesn’t decide details of values, he refers to valuations prepared by people who do that for a living, and he refers to the differing valuations the defendant submitted in loan applications and tax filings.

 

In layman’s terms these are referred to as ‘the receipts’ and the prosecution have them.