Excise Dept Asked to Extend Electric Car Incentives

[snoop1130]

 

BANGKOK (NNT) - A proposal has been raised with the Excise Department, seeking to extend the registration deadline for state-subsidized electric vehicles (EVs).

 

Advisor for the development of the excise control system Nattakorn Uthainsut made the proposal to the Excise Department to amend the regulations pertaining to electric vehicle (EV) purchases.

 

The proposal aims to extend the registration period for state-subsidized electric vehicles, offering a 150,000 THB discount per vehicle, by an additional month to January 31st, 2024, from the initial deadline of December 31st, 2023. This extension seeks to support EV sales under the EV 3.0 project in the first quarter of 2023, following the completion of the initial phase where the government allocated a fund of 3 billion baht, which expired last month.

 

Reports emerged after the cabinet meeting on September 26th, indicating its approval of an additional budget of about one billion baht in the 2023 mid-year budget. This allocation is aimed at boosting the confidence of manufacturers who are eligible under the incentive scheme to invest in electric vehicle production in Thailand between 2024-2025. It also aims to bolster public confidence in purchasing electric vehicles. The cabinet had previously approved a 3 billion baht incentive, offering a discount of 150,000 baht per car, which supports approximately 20,000 electric vehicles.

 

Currently, the number of individuals who have purchased electric vehicles and benefited from this scheme has surpassed initial estimates. This has prompted a request for an additional budget of 1 billion baht, as electric vehicle registration under this project has already exceeded 37,000 and could potentially rise to 50,000 vehicles.

 

By Na-ark Rojanasuvan

 

Full story: NNT 2023-10-06

 

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[Keep Right]

More proof that electric cars are not economically feasible. Without government incentives paid for by the unwilling taxpayer, electric cars would not be purchased by most people.

[rwill]

We got a message from Ford yesterday that they would give us a 95,000 baht discount on a new Raptor.

[Asquith Production]

Unless you have money to spare and just want something for local travel then an E.V is a money pit.  After around 5 years you would have to consider whether your going to buy another or sell. Car batteries are guaranteed for around 8 years and cost around 40% of the vehicles initial cost. I doubt their would be much of a second hand market so all the money you saved from cheaper motoring you will need to purchase new batteries. Its easier to buy a vehicle with  an ICE engine and not have the problems of range

[nobodysfriend]

58 minutes ago, Asquith Production said:

Its easier to buy a vehicle with  an ICE engine and not have the problems of range

I was thinking about investing in an EV , but , after refection , I'll wait for Fuel cell cars ( Hydrogen ) , to arrive .

https://www.motor1.com/news/690289/2024-honda-cr-v-hydrogen-fuel-cell-plug-in-battery/

 

A hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle uses the same kind of electric motor to turn the wheels that a battery-electric car does. But it's powered not by a large, heavy battery but by a fuel-cell stack in which pure hydrogen (H2) passes through a membrane to combine with oxygen (O2) from the air, producing the electricity that turns the wheels plus water vapor. What this means is that a fuel-cell vehicle is technically a series hybrid, which is why they are sometimes classified as fuel-cell hybrid electric vehicles .

[jacko45k]

13 hours ago, Keep Right said:

More proof that electric cars are not economically feasible. Without government incentives paid for by the unwilling taxpayer, electric cars would not be purchased by most people.

I think the OP picture says a lot... an EV stationary and plugged in, that is how they spend most of the time..... when not on fire.

[Hardcastle P]

Has anyone thought of how they are going to provide enough electricity to charge these vehicles. I can see the grid system glowing in the dark now together with the CO2 belching out of the generator chimneys and still not enough electricity being generated.

[alien365]

It will help keep the Chinese happy. I don't mind. For a lot of people I think electric makes sense, it's just not attracting me just yet. 

[digger70]

3 hours ago, Hardcastle P said:

Has anyone thought of how they are going to provide enough electricity to charge these vehicles. I can see the grid system glowing in the dark now together with the CO2 belching out of the generator chimneys and still not enough electricity being generated.

Portable Generator (Petrol ,Diesel) in the Boot (trunk) That'll fix that.

[PETERTHEEATER]

Sales of 300 km extension cords are stagnant.

[matchar]

8 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

I was thinking about investing in an EV , but , after refection , I'll wait for Fuel cell cars ( Hydrogen ) , to arrive .

https://www.motor1.com/news/690289/2024-honda-cr-v-hydrogen-fuel-cell-plug-in-battery/

 

A hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle uses the same kind of electric motor to turn the wheels that a battery-electric car does. But it's powered not by a large, heavy battery but by a fuel-cell stack in which pure hydrogen (H2) passes through a membrane to combine with oxygen (O2) from the air, producing the electricity that turns the wheels plus water vapor. What this means is that a fuel-cell vehicle is technically a series hybrid, which is why they are sometimes classified as fuel-cell hybrid electric vehicles .

So instead of a large heavy battery you have a large heavy cylinder of hydrogen (or two) under high pressure that can only be refuelled at specialised hydrogen stations...of which Thailand currently has 0 and even in Japan I believe they are few and far between. Also the cost of hydrogen is much higher than petrol especially "green" hydrogen made from renewable energy. Elon Musk called them "fool cells" and for once I agree with him.

 

Toyota was betting big on hydrogen fuel cells but now they've had to u-turn to EVs and are playing catch up...

[mikebike]

6 minutes ago, matchar said:

So instead of a large heavy battery you have a large heavy cylinder of hydrogen (or two) under high pressure that can only be refuelled at specialised hydrogen stations...

Sounds a lot like:

So instead of oats there's a heavy tank of volatile gasoline that can only be refilled at specialized gas stations... 

 

????????????????

[matchar]

17 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Sounds a lot like:

So instead of oats there's a heavy tank of volatile gasoline that can only be refilled at specialized gas stations... 

 

????????????????

Except that hydrogen is a gas and it needs to be stored in heavy high pressure cylinders 350–700 bar [5,000–10,000 psi] tank pressure.

 

It also needs high pressure pumps at refueling stations...

[retarius]

EVs are the best thing since sliced bread but no one will buy one without a discount. Tesla cut its prices yesterday for the hundredth or so time. They might soon be worth buying. My rule of life: never be an early adopter, you pay more and get a half finished product.

[vinny41]

43 minutes ago, matchar said:

So instead of a large heavy battery you have a large heavy cylinder of hydrogen (or two) under high pressure that can only be refuelled at specialised hydrogen stations...of which Thailand currently has 0 and even in Japan I believe they are few and far between. Also the cost of hydrogen is much higher than petrol especially "green" hydrogen made from renewable energy. Elon Musk called them "fool cells" and for once I agree with him.

 

Toyota was betting big on hydrogen fuel cells but now they've had to u-turn to EVs and are playing catch up...

At the end of 2022, we recorded 455 hydrogen stations operating in Asia, thereof 165 in Japan and 149 in South Korea. The number of hydrogen stations in China is estimated at 138,

You can now fill up with hydrogen in 37 countries, Columbia, Cyprus, and Israel being the latest additions to the list.

https://hydrogen-central.com/another-record-addition-european-hydrogen-refuelling-stations-2022-tuv-sud/#

 

Seems the number of hydrogen stations is expanding each year

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, matchar said:

So instead of a large heavy battery you have a large heavy cylinder of hydrogen (or two) under high pressure that can only be refuelled at specialised hydrogen stations...of which Thailand currently has 0 and even in Japan I believe they are few and far between. Also the cost of hydrogen is much higher than petrol especially "green" hydrogen made from renewable energy. Elon Musk called them "fool cells" and for once I agree with him.

 

Toyota was betting big on hydrogen fuel cells but now they've had to u-turn to EVs and are playing catch up...

Taking the Lead in Hydrogen Fueling Stations

In response to the logistics industry's ongoing efforts to reduce emissions, BIG has taken the lead in establishing hydrogen fueling stations. In collaboration with PTT Plc. and Toyota Motor Thailand Co., Ltd., they have inaugurated the first hydrogen fueling station for Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles (FCEVs) in Bang Lamung District, Chonburi Province, Thailand.

https://www.nationthailand.com/pr-news/more/pr-news/40029156

[matchar]

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Taking the Lead in Hydrogen Fueling Stations

In response to the logistics industry's ongoing efforts to reduce emissions, BIG has taken the lead in establishing hydrogen fueling stations. In collaboration with PTT Plc. and Toyota Motor Thailand Co., Ltd., they have inaugurated the first hydrogen fueling station for Fuel Cell Electric Vehicles (FCEVs) in Bang Lamung District, Chonburi Province, Thailand.

https://www.nationthailand.com/pr-news/more/pr-news/40029156

PR news...AKA puff piece.

 

And that's just a prototype, it will never become mainstream. How many EV charging stations are there in Thailand right now? A lot more than 1 and rapidly increasing.

[matchar]

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

At the end of 2022, we recorded 455 hydrogen stations operating in Asia, thereof 165 in Japan and 149 in South Korea. The number of hydrogen stations in China is estimated at 138,

You can now fill up with hydrogen in 37 countries, Columbia, Cyprus, and Israel being the latest additions to the list.

https://hydrogen-central.com/another-record-addition-european-hydrogen-refuelling-stations-2022-tuv-sud/#

 

Seems the number of hydrogen stations is expanding each year

So 165 hydrogen stations in the whole of Japan compared to 40,000 petrol stations...

 

https://thedriven.io/2023/06/23/nothing-can-compete-finkel-concedes-battery-electric-beats-hydrogen-cars/

[lordgrinz]

Hybrids make more sense, especially in Thailand, best of both worlds.

[vinny41]

23 minutes ago, matchar said:

So 165 hydrogen stations in the whole of Japan compared to 40,000 petrol stations...

 

https://thedriven.io/2023/06/23/nothing-can-compete-finkel-concedes-battery-electric-beats-hydrogen-cars/

Bizarre  comparing petrol stations that have been around for 100 years  with hydrogen stations that are opening recently

for example in the uk In 2011 the first public hydrogen station opened in Swindon

also in the UK UK's first all-electric car charging forecourt opens in Essex 2020

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/07/uk-first-all-electric-car-charging-forecourt-opens-in-essex

[vinny41]

37 minutes ago, matchar said:

PR news...AKA puff piece.

 

And that's just a prototype, it will never become mainstream. How many EV charging stations are there in Thailand right now? A lot more than 1 and rapidly increasing.

I will use the same daft comparison that you used which is the greater number in Thailand Petrol/Diesel stations vs EV charging stations

[retarius]

Great article from ZH

 

 

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