ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[JBChiangRai]

8 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

looks like you plucked this from a site.

I told you where I took it from

[Nick Carter icp]

On 10/7/2023 at 6:34 PM, Thorgal said:

13 Israeli localities have been overrun :

 

 

 

   Israeli flag raised in central Gaza today 

 

 

 

 

[BarraMarra]

21 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The same way the BBC is still reporting live from there because there are communications

Yes Brian BBCs Rushdie Adie Aluff is reporting Daily from the Gaza this morning he was in Khan Yunis.

[Jingthing]

I don't like to see the Israeli flag in Gaza though I understand an adrenaline pumped brave IDF soldier doing that.

Israeli needs to occupy Gaza like they need a hole in the head.

Castrate Hamas and cooperate with international / Palestinian Authority forces so that they (not Israel) establishes a new government there and then get the hell out!

Edited October 29, 2023 by Jingthing

[transam]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Let's be accurate.

Sand is not an expert - in your opinion.

 

It seems the French disagree.
 

https://www.haaretz.com/2009-03-12/ty-article/israeli-wins-french-prize-for-book-questioning-origins-of-jewish-people/0000017f-e6f1-d62c-a1ff-fefbe2460000

Is that anything to do with the thread......?   

 

[BarraMarra]

43 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Are you incapable of staying on topic and have to resort to posting extreme left wing dross!

With a bit of luck he will be on holiday for a few days he been warned enough.

[Morch]

53 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

No it's not.

The more books cited the better.

From both sides.

I have already added "The Strange Death of Europe" to my reading list.

 

The only reason to bother posting in forums such as this one is to learn, to test ones own beliefs and if the facts require it, change ones opinions.

 

Only the small minded think they are here to "win".

 

Here's an interesting link:

 

https://www.vox.com/23924319/israel-palestine-apartheid-meaning-history-debate

 

Read it, question what is being said and if you cannot refute it - change your opinion.

 

 

Most of what you do on these topics got nothing to do with 'learning', though.

And by your own definition, you are small minded.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Is that anything to do with the thread......?   

 

Antisemites are always pushing the now DEBUNKED Ashkenazi - Khazar conversion origin theory. Even if it was true, which it is not. it doesn't make any difference. The antisemities just love to use it for their vile white colonialism theories about how Israel should have never existed, and should be abolished now. It's not antisemitic to study the topic academically, but the way Israel demonizers exploit that debunked theory certainly is. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Jingthing

[transam]

29 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

To be honest Brian, at 185 pages in, I've yet to read a single post of yours that added any value to the discussion on the Israel - Hamas war. It is nothing but complaints from you. No one cares about your whinging. The moderators will moderate. How about you try and contribute something worthwhile for a change?

 

The current death toll of Palestinian kids is 2,913 - what do you think about that?

You can talk, you already told us your trolling....☹️

[MrMojoRisin]

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israeli flag raised in central Gaza today 

 

 

 

 

 

And it only cost the lives of 2913 Palestinian children.

What a bargain.

[Morch]

52 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Another meaningless post.

Why do you bother?

Why don't you just ignore anything that doesn't interest you?

My guess is, that 185 pages in, you have learned nothing.

 

Do us all a favour and keep your pessimistic snide nonsense to yourself.

 

You do not speak for all of us.

You do not seem to seem to have learned anything much either.

Pretty much the same all along the topic.

 

A whole lot of vitriol, faux emo, deflections and so on.

 

Relatively little on topic.

Almost nothing on offer as per events other than repeating the same few messages on loop.

[BarraMarra]

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Plenty of attention taken, we can all read your posts that's why I know you're a Hamas apologist and a troll constantly deflecting the topic. No more food for you.................

Same from me Brian no more scraps from me. but he wont take the hint he is not wanted on this thread.

[Morch]

45 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Recommendations of books to read.

Easily the top reason I spend any time at all on these boards.

 

I especially enjoy reading books at odds with my personal views and the best place to find them is, I've found, here.

 

I have absolutely zero interest at all in scoring points against anonymous keyboard warriors.

How utterly meaningless.

I am looking for strong arguments against which to test my beliefs.

 

I'd rather be right than "win" and if that means a bit of self reflection and changing of opinions and views - I am all for it.

 

As far as I'm concerned, if I am wrong, the sooner I become aware of my error, the better.

 

I'll give you that point scoring is maybe only comes third place for you.

Right after flaming and deflecting.

 

You are offered arguments against your position on plenty of posts.

You do not address them, but deflect, twist and move goal posts.

 

You do, however, seem to have a very good opinion of yourself.

Sadly (or not) it is not share by many (or even most) participants.

[metisdead]

An off topic deflection post and the replies contravening our Community Standards have been removed.

[Morch]

26 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Brian, you simply haven't been paying attention.

I have repeatedly condemned Hamas.

Islamic terrorism is a blight on humanity.

The best way to defeat it is to take away every ounce of legitimacy from their cause.

By far, by far, the greatest asset Islamic terrorists have is the utterly appalling, inhumane, illegal and horrifying treatment of the Palestinians at the hands of the Israeli's.

 

The world is paying a price for the proclivities of right wing extremist religious nutters hellbent on expanding Israel from the sea to the river.

 

P!ssweak American politicians enable this nightmare.

 

The only way for Israel to defeat Hamas and for the world to defeat Islamic terrorism is for Israel to start treating the Palestinians as human beings.

 

Hamas only exists in inverse proportion to the humanity afforded to the Palestinians by the Israeli's and the West.

 

All of your nonsense posting amounts to one thing - Israel Bad.

You do not have anything on offer other than that.

Nada.

[Jeff the Chef]

6 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

Associated Press is another liberal lefty news source, but irrespectively of that without the horrific evil slayings of the Palestinian terrorists on innocent Israelis none of this would be happening. Israel must do whatever is necessary to ensure that crimes of that nature never ever happens again. 

Would you like to enlighten us on which Press Agency you do trust to give News on the evil slayings by Hamas terrorists and hopefully they will share some news on the Israeli campaign against said terrorists.

[MrMojoRisin]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

All of your nonsense posting amounts to one thing - Israel Bad.

You do not have anything on offer other than that.

Nada.

Yes, Israel is bad.

First step towards peace is...

Israel stop being bad.

[JBChiangRai]

Some of you don’t help the Israeli cause by posting vitriol and personal attacks.

 

You should keep them to reasoned arguments instead of provocations.  Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are antisemitic or Hamas supporters.

 

One poster here is mostly the voice of reason and has persuaded me that what Israel is doing now is probably the best policy, others of you just prevent that from happening to other members.

 

You don’t have to defend “everything“ Israel is doing, it just weakens your argument, likewise you don’t have to criticise everything Israel is doing it does the same.

 

Whilst I believe the IDF in what they say about minimising civilian casualties, I don’t believe that message has reached individual Israeli soldiers who have a history of killing innocent Palestinian bystanders, & reporters usually intentionally and without any kind of consequence. 

 

The BBC’s Jeremy Bowen said yesterday that in talking to individual captains in the Israeli army the impression he got was they wanted “payback” to use his own words.

 

How the army behaves during this process is likely to affect world opinion, it’s naive to think reporting on what happens won’t get out.  I hope the army chiefs can reign in the individuals wishing for revenge.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Yes, Israel is bad.

First step towards peace is...

Israel stop being bad.

 

One trick pony.

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You should keep them to reasoned arguments instead of provocations.  Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are antisemitic or Hamas supporters

Amen. 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Yes, Israel is bad.

First step towards peace is...

Israel stop being bad.

Another nonsense post from the troll..........🤨

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

Amen. 

Oh, no...........🤕

[Wobblybob]

6 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Would you like to enlighten us on which Press Agency you do trust to give News on the evil slayings by Hamas terrorists and hopefully they will share some news on the Israeli campaign against said terrorists.

Don't worry Chuck the Cook all your extreme left wing sources will be exposed, and that includes the rest of the anti semetics on here. 

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, transam said:

Another nonsense post from the troll..........🤨

 

 
Transam, your posts can usually be summarised as “noise”.  They rarely carry any information. 

 

1 minute ago, transam said:

Oh, no...........🤕

see what I mean?

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Some of you don’t help the Israeli cause by posting vitriol and personal attacks.

 

You should keep them to reasoned arguments instead of provocations.  Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are antisemitic or Hamas supporters.

 

One poster here is mostly the voice of reason and has persuaded me that what Israel is doing now is probably the best policy, others of you just prevent that from happening to other members.

 

You don’t have to defend “everything“ Israel is doing, it just weakens your argument, likewise you don’t have to criticise everything Israel is doing it does the same.

 

Whilst I believe the IDF in what they say about minimising civilian casualties, I don’t believe that message has reached individual Israeli soldiers who have a history of killing innocent Palestinian bystanders, & reporters usually intentionally and without any kind of consequence. 

 

The BBC’s Jeremy Bowen said yesterday that in talking to individual captains in the Israeli army the impression he got was they wanted “payback” to use his own words.

 

How the army behaves during this process is likely to affect world opinion, it’s naive to think reporting on what happens won’t get out.  I hope the army chiefs can reign in the individuals wishing for revenge.

 

Be that as it may, I think it's quite obvious who are the trolls on this topic, and (generally) which 'side' they 'support'.

In a sense, your comments regarding posters echo a popular sentiment on current events  comments - that Israel should be better than that etc.

 

But i do agree with most of what you posted.

 

As for the 'revenge' angle - I would be surprised if it wasn't present on troops level. Many are sure to know people who were murdered on 7/10, friends of friends and so on. So for many it's personal, which makes it more emotional and maybe harder to control. On policy making level, though - I don't think it's quite that. If one considers this an issue, then a good thing that most Gazan civilians evacuated - that way such sentiments are more likely to be taken out on Hamas men - and with that, zero issues.

[transam]

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 
Transam, your posts can usually be summarised as “noise”.  They rarely carry any information. 

 

see what I mean?

I am not allowed to use 4-letter words on here........🥴

As for, "Oh, no"....You must be blind or thick...........😬

[Jeff the Chef]

7 hours ago, transam said:

Talking about odd-balls, it the information is freely available to us all, why do you bother.........?

To keep the uninformed informed of course.

[Jeff the Chef]

7 hours ago, transam said:

Doubt it, most replying to this thread already know your agenda, those not in your agenda clique are not interested......😉

Excellent, so no harm done here then.

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, Morch said:

 

Be that as it may, I think it's quite obvious who are the trolls on this topic, and (generally) which 'side' they 'support'.

In a sense, your comments regarding posters echo a popular sentiment on current events  comments - that Israel should be better than that etc.

 

But i do agree with most of what you posted.

 

As for the 'revenge' angle - I would be surprised if it wasn't present on troops level. Many are sure to know people who were murdered on 7/10, friends of friends and so on. So for many it's personal, which makes it more emotional and maybe harder to control. On policy making level, though - I don't think it's quite that. If one considers this an issue, then a good thing that most Gazan civilians evacuated - that way such sentiments are more likely to be taken out on Hamas men - and with that, zero issues.

I agree with most of what you said, especially the troops.

 

Regarding “the trolls”, I don’t think you can leap to the conclusion about which side they support, as for the accelerated argument's, that is perhaps a case of action and reaction driven by anger on both sides and the desire to win, which is usually impossible here.  

 

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

To keep the uninformed informed of course.

On this thread...........🤭