ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Could very well be - depends entirely on the reaction of the Arab world.

If Egypt, Iran, Turkey, Syria, Jordan et al jump in, I'd say Hamas has got what they wanted.

Coz I was still waiting for a link to your cold hard facts on this.

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

What is your serious opinion if this is actually what Israel does, annexes Gaza and expels 2 million Palestinians to Egypt?

 

I do not understand the question. My serious opinion in regard to what? 

 

5 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

What do you think will then happen in the West Bank?

 

What do you think would happen if Palestine takes the moral high ground, releases the hostages and initiates a ceasefire? 

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

No.

 

There is a fundamental psychological difference between intentionally murdering babies up close and personal and engaging in bombing military targets.

 

Most people are able to bomb military targets, but cannot bring themselves to personally killing babies. It takes a rare personality to kill babies up close, and such people need to be taken away from society, whether they are Israeli, Arab, Thai, whatever.

It takes an even more "special" person to record themselves on GoPro and livestream themselves as they commit atrocities. Also to stip their victims naked, parade them around the streets, then behead them. Also to call their families (on the cell phone of their victim) and BOAST about what they did. Also to hear your son boast about mass murder of innocent people and say 'bless you, my son'. 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Jews in Israel think Palestinians are lesser beings. They don't allow them to get an Israeli passport, for one thing. 

 

They are not Israeli citizens, why should they have Israeli passports?

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Just as evil as murdering babies with bombs from 10,000 feet, wouldn't you agree?

 

No.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

No you haven't, else I wouldn't have asked the question.

 

I did.

You keep asking questions in hope of getting answers that fit your narrative.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

How many people killed babies up close? Is there any proof about the baby beheadings?

Oh dear, oh dear,

 

 

Mr. Mojo sidekick knows absolutely nothing, go troll somewhere else, you don't like Thais, and you don't like Jewish folk... You are embarrassing..😏

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

It takes an even more "special" person to record themselves on GoPro and livestream themselves as they commit atrocities. Also to stip their victims naked, parade them around the streets, then behead them. Also to call their families (on the cell phone of their victim) and BOAST about what they did. Also to hear your son boast about mass murder of innocent people and say 'bless you, my son'. 

Who are you judging here?  Hamas Terrorists, individual Hama members, all Palestinians? 

[BarraMarra]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

How many people killed babies up close? Is there any proof about the baby beheadings?

Oh my God

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

And here is the heart of the problem.

 

There are but three possible solutions:

 

1. One state solution 

2. Two state solution, independent side by side states 

3. Genocide

 

What does Israel want?

 

Number one is off the table because demographics would make the Jews a minority and as much as they love to claim they are the only democracy in the Middle East, they won't accept a democracy where Arabs have the numerical advantage. The world won't accept apartheid which is what the Israeli's really want so no acceptable outcome for Israel here

 

Number two is off the table because the Israeli's won't give up the land they have already stolen so every offer is always going to be unacceptable to the Palestinians, additionally a defined border prevents further land theft. The idea of Jordan absorbing the West Bank and Egypt absorbing Gaza doesn't work as this option would still require a defined border with Israel and the Israeli's will not like that because, as mentioned, it ends their ability to keep stealing land.

 

Number three appears to be the Israeli's preferred option. A slow moving genocide of an entire people. Make life as unbearable as possible in the hope that the Palestinians will give up and leave of their volition until their numbers dwindle to such a level that option one - a one state solution becomes viable.

 

 

Yawn.

Again with your pronouncements? Who cares.

 

What do the Palestinians want?

What have they done to achieve it?

 

 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Israel is fully dependent on the US in this war.

 

The US can stop this war. 

As can Palestine. Can we agree it is time for Palestine to take the moral high ground, release the hostages and initiate a ceasefire? 

 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

More and more people are waking up to the terrible persecution of the Palestinians by Israel; there are huge protests all over the world. 

People like you then, know nothing....😒

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Wobblybob said:

Gibberish gobbledygook. All Israel wants is to live in peace without its neighbours trying to wipe them out!

 

57 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Then why the expansionary settlements?

 

Some Israelis want peace.

Some Israelis want it all.

 

Not too hard to understand.

[Hanaguma]

6 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

How many people killed babies up close? Is there any proof about the baby beheadings?

Eli Beer, a volunteer paramedic, testified to it. He saw babies with no heads, and heads with no babies, and no way to match up the proper remains. 

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Germany did not have the capability to project power across the globe either, 

- Germany, the main antagonist of WW2, did not have the capability to project power across the globe?

Correct. 

10 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Liar. 

- Time will tell.

Indeed

[MrMojoRisin]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

No.

 

There is a fundamental psychological difference between intentionally murdering babies up close and personal and engaging in bombing military targets.

 

Most people are able to bomb military targets, but cannot bring themselves to personally killing babies. It takes a rare personality to kill babies up close, and such people need to be taken away from society, whether they are Israeli, Arab, Thai, whatever.

Who do you think you're kidding.

War brings out the worst in humans.

 

Australian special forces did some awful things (39 murders) to Afghani's that were hard to believe - and this from people who grew up in a safe, secure, low crime, modern and society.

 

Even outside of war - I recall the Palestinian teen abducted by Israeli's and burned alive.

 

The kidnapping and murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir occurred early on the morning of 2 July 2014. Khdeir, a 16-year-old Palestinian, was forced into a car by Israeli citizens on an East Jerusalem street. His family immediately reported the fact to Israeli Police who located his charred body a few hours later at Givat Shaul in the Jerusalem Forest. Preliminary results from the autopsy suggested that he was beaten and burnt while still alive. The perpetrators subsequently claimed that the attack was a response to the abduction and murder of three Israeli teens on 12 June. The murders contributed to a breakout of hostilities in the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_murder_of_Mohammed_Abu_Khdeir

 

No team has a monopoly on evil.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Oh my God

 

He's taking private lessons from Mr. Mojo..........😵

[Morch]

56 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Palestinian babies!

Are you appalled at the deaths of the Palestinian babies?

 

I'm appalled at the level of discourse on offer.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

No team has a monopoly on evil.

No but Hamas is on the top rung of the ladder!

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Who are you judging here?  Hamas Terrorists, individual Hama members, all Palestinians? 

You decide.  What kind of society creates such monsters? People who are confident that their atrocities will be lauded and celebrated and even paid for- Hamas was paying $10,000 for each hostage brought back to Gaza. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Who do you think you're kidding.

War brings out the worst in humans.

 

Australian special forces did some awful things (39 murders) to Afghani's that were hard to believe - and this from people who grew up in a safe, secure, low crime, modern and society.

 

Even outside of war - I recall the Palestinian teen abducted by Israeli's and burned alive.

 

The kidnapping and murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir occurred early on the morning of 2 July 2014. Khdeir, a 16-year-old Palestinian, was forced into a car by Israeli citizens on an East Jerusalem street. His family immediately reported the fact to Israeli Police who located his charred body a few hours later at Givat Shaul in the Jerusalem Forest. Preliminary results from the autopsy suggested that he was beaten and burnt while still alive. The perpetrators subsequently claimed that the attack was a response to the abduction and murder of three Israeli teens on 12 June. The murders contributed to a breakout of hostilities in the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_murder_of_Mohammed_Abu_Khdeir

 

No team has a monopoly on evil.

Your agenda is showing again, nothing to do with the thread..........🤨

[Morch]

52 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Because of the expansionary settlements and oppressive occupation.

Yes, the majority of Palestinians want a two state solution.

 

By and large, Gazans do not share Hamas’s goal of eliminating the state of Israel. When presented with three possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (as well as an option to choose “other”), the majority of survey respondents (54 percent) favored the two-state solution outlined in the 1993 Oslo accords. In this scenario, the state of Palestine would sit alongside the state of Israel, their borders based on the de facto boundary that existed before the 1967 Six-Day War. The level of support for this resolution has not changed much since 2021; in that survey, 58 percent of respondents in Gaza selected the two-state solution.

 

(Link is free for first time visitor's and behind a paywall for those who have already used their one free article)

 

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas#:~:text=On the eve of Hamas's,percent of the adult population.

 

Do you see any actual, effective effort on the Palestinians' part to achieve that?

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Who do you think you're kidding.

War brings out the worst in humans.

 

Australian special forces did some awful things (39 murders) to Afghani's that were hard to believe - and this from people who grew up in a safe, secure, low crime, modern and society.

 

Even outside of war - I recall the Palestinian teen abducted by Israeli's and burned alive.

 

The kidnapping and murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir occurred early on the morning of 2 July 2014. Khdeir, a 16-year-old Palestinian, was forced into a car by Israeli citizens on an East Jerusalem street. His family immediately reported the fact to Israeli Police who located his charred body a few hours later at Givat Shaul in the Jerusalem Forest. Preliminary results from the autopsy suggested that he was beaten and burnt while still alive. The perpetrators subsequently claimed that the attack was a response to the abduction and murder of three Israeli teens on 12 June. The murders contributed to a breakout of hostilities in the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_murder_of_Mohammed_Abu_Khdeir

 

No team has a monopoly on evil.

There are indeed individuals who do terrible things. But you cite individuals operating without official sanction.

 

But Hamas did terrible things in large numbers. That organization has to go.

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Who do you think you're kidding.

War brings out the worst in humans.

 

Australian special forces did some awful things (39 murders) to Afghani's that were hard to believe - and this from people who grew up in a safe, secure, low crime, modern and society.

 

Even outside of war - I recall the Palestinian teen abducted by Israeli's and burned alive.

 

The kidnapping and murder of Mohammed Abu Khdeir occurred early on the morning of 2 July 2014. Khdeir, a 16-year-old Palestinian, was forced into a car by Israeli citizens on an East Jerusalem street. His family immediately reported the fact to Israeli Police who located his charred body a few hours later at Givat Shaul in the Jerusalem Forest. Preliminary results from the autopsy suggested that he was beaten and burnt while still alive. The perpetrators subsequently claimed that the attack was a response to the abduction and murder of three Israeli teens on 12 June. The murders contributed to a breakout of hostilities in the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_murder_of_Mohammed_Abu_Khdeir

 

No team has a monopoly on evil.

Interesting story. You forgot one rather significant part though- Israel found the criminals who did it, put them on trial, and they were convicted of murder.  Hamas treats their murderers rather differently...

[MrMojoRisin]

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I do not understand the question. My serious opinion in regard to what? 

 

If Israel annexes the Gaza and expels 2 million Palestinians to Egypt - do you agree with it, do you think it is a good idea, do you think it will lead to peace, do you think the same thing will then happen to the West Bank.

More speculatively, could this have been Bibi's plan all along, has he outsmarted Hamas, what will America do, will global protests grow, will other Arab countries declare war on Israel....????

 

Second question - already asked and answered so deleted.

[Morch]

48 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Mismatched capabilities.

 

A full frontal assault on an adversary overwhelmingly more powerful than you is suicide.

Hamas's aim was to commit an attack that would enrage the Israeli's into a overly brutal response that would leave the rest of the Arab world no option but to get involved.

 

So far, it's all going exactly to Hamas's plan.

 

There is no sympathy, just cold hard facts.

 

Even by your own account, Hamas basically chose to sacrifice all them babies and children you pretend to care about.

As for, going exactly according to plan - the Arab world is not getting involved and does not really wish to.

[MrMojoRisin]

12 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Coz I was still waiting for a link to your cold hard facts on this.

Stand by, I'll be right back.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

If Israel annexes the Gaza and expels 2 million Palestinians to Egypt - do you agree with it, do you think it is a good idea, do you think it will lead to peace, do you think the same thing will then happen to the West Bank.

More speculatively, could this have been Bibi's plan all along, has he outsmarted Hamas, what will America do, will global protests grow, will other Arab countries declare war on Israel....????

 

Second question - already asked and answered so deleted.

Nope.

 

You are having wild delusions.

[Morch]

46 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

In your opinion, what is Israel's preferred path to peace?

Does Israel want a one or two state solution?

What is their current official position in regards to their preferred option?

 

Can you answer the questions maturely, without resorting to childish point scoring?

 

You keep going on about Israel this and Israel that. Very little of substance about Palestinian positions, actions, politics and so on.

One would have expected a 'pro-Palestinian' supporter to be better informed regarding his pet side.

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Show me the cheering crowds of Israelis as dead Palestinians are paraded through the streets of Tel Aviv and I will begin to listen to you. 

Where are the Jews running through the airport screaming for the heads of Random muslims? Where are the Jews parading through the streets calling for the death of muslims? Where are the Jewish college students screaming for their heads of their fellow Muslim Students?

 

Where are the Americans dancing in the streets and cheering the death of muslims, like the poor innocent Gazans did after 9/11?

 

My big biatch is that we, the USA, haven't been harsh enough on these terrorist scumbags and their apologists. At least the Izzys have some balls and never forget, as Herbie Cukurs realized at the last minute. Nothing stops antisemitism better than the defensive elimination of the antisemite.