ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

If Israel does not co-operate with the ICC, Israel loses credibility in the view of the world.   

 

 

 

Their choice.

 

Oh, wow....loses credibility, says poster.

Maybe the 'credibility' on offer is not worth the price of biased investigations.

 

Also - US, Russia, China....none of them are much into the ICC.

On the other hand, the Palestinians are - does it make them 'credible;?

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

United Nations Human Rights New York Office Director Craig Mokhiber RESIGNS in protest of UN's handling of Israel-Hamas war, calling attacks on Gaza 'a text-book case of genocide'

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12694209/United-Nations-Craig-Mokhiber-RESIGNS-Israel-Hamas-war-Gaza-genocide.html

Keep digging, oh, when was he due to retire....?   

[Thorgal]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Criag Mokhiber lived in Gaza and refers to Israel as a "settler colonial project" , its about time he left his position at the U.N .

   The real genocide attempt  was the Hamas attack on Israel 

 

Did he refer to Hamas as terrorists ?

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Refer to an alternative  responder.

 

  You could be really intelligent and I must be rather dumb, as I have no idea what you mean and I just cannot follow and your posts just seem to be  random words to me 

[transam]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

Did he refer to Hamas as terrorists ?

Who cares, they are.......🙄

[RanongCat]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  You could be really intelligent and I must be rather dumb, as I have no idea what you mean and I just cannot follow and your posts just seem to be  random words to me 

Then ignore  me and add to your ideological foment as per.

[deejai33]

11 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

United Nations Human Rights New York Office Director Craig Mokhiber RESIGNS in protest of UN's handling of Israel-Hamas war, calling attacks on Gaza 'a text-book case of genocide'

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12694209/United-Nations-Craig-Mokhiber-RESIGNS-Israel-Hamas-war-Gaza-genocide.html

Its in the Guardian too.

 

Haven't seen it mentioned on BBC site, maybe it is.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/un-official-resigns-israel-hamas-war-palestine-new-york

 

 

[MrMojoRisin]

28 minutes ago, transam said:

Do you know what Off-topic means........?.........

Stop whinging and use the ignore button if it bothers you.

[Morch]

Just now, RanongCat said:

Then ignore  me and add to your ideological foment as per.

 

It is good to me as well as that.

[transam]

Just now, RanongCat said:

Then ignore  me and add to your ideological foment as per.

Eh...? 

[RanongCat]

Just now, Morch said:

 

It is good to me as well as that.

The option has always been there ...Godfather to others.

[Morch]

Top Hamas official declares group is not responsible for defending Gazan civilians

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-hamas-official-claims-group-is-not-responsible-for-defending-gazan-civilians/

 

Sounds suspiciously like something some on here would claim....

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Its in the Guardian too.

 

Haven't seen it mentioned on BBC site, maybe it is.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/un-official-resigns-israel-hamas-war-palestine-new-york

 

 

 

 

Steady on fella..................

 

The very man, from an article in 1st March 2023

 

Exposed: Top UN Human Rights Official’s Hatred of Israel

Yet when it comes to attitudes toward Israel, it is clear that the antipathy of the council is matched by that of many in the OHCHR bureaucracy.

A case in point is Craig Mokhiber, who holds the influential position of Director of the New York Office of the OHCHR, and who has served in various capacities at the United Nations since 1992. Mokhiber has played a key role in the UN human rights system over three decades. Yet his long history of publishing virulently anti-Israel statements makes him unfit for a role as a leading UN official, let alone for its human rights office.

According to the UN Charter, staff must be held to the highest standards of “integrity.” Such standards include fairness and impartiality in conducting one’s work. Yet top UN human rights official Mokhiber has committed gross and systematic violations of his duty of impartiality.

https://unwatch.org/exposed-top-human-rights-official-craig-mokhiber-deep-seated-anti-israel-bias/

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

 

So did the whites in apartheid South Africa.

Can't imagine what both groups have in common.

Start a topic on it. You can talk about it all you want then. links?

[Thorgal]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Israelis would rather see their nation state survive against the evil forces of genocide from Hamas and their River to the Sea cheerleaders.

 

I think that the domestic/internal actions of the Israeli citizens and politicians are going to have more impact for the future of Israel as state than the Palestinian and neighboring countries military and diplomatic influence.

[deejai33]

21 hours ago, proton said:

 

Don't recall any Islamic countries doing that, FREE CONSTANTINOPLE !

Yes, in the past colonialist had a free hand.  Powerful armies.  Conquer who you fancy.  Some colonies did fail too ofcourse.

 

But in the 20th century, an internationally agreed rules structure emerged.  League of Nations, UN, Geneva convention, etc.  Human rights declarations.  War crimes, ICC more recently.

 

Its ceased to be so easy for a country to go and colonise somewhere.  And native populations fought back.

 

The zionist movements attempt to colonise Palestine came at a time when the idea of international rules appeared.   

 

Israel needs to review its past and get real about its obligations to the people of Palestine it has affected by its creation.

 

 

 

[Morch]

1 minute ago, deejai33 said:

Yes, in the past colonialist had a free hand.  Powerful armies.  Conquer who you fancy.  Some colonies did fail too ofcourse.

 

But in the 20th century, an internationally agreed rules structure emerged.  League of Nations, UN, Geneva convention, etc.  Human rights declarations.  War crimes, ICC more recently.

 

Its ceased to be so easy for a country to go and colonise somewhere.  And native populations fought back.

 

The zionist movements attempt to colonise Palestine came at a time when the idea of international rules appeared.   

 

Israel needs to review its past and get real about its obligations to the people of Palestine it has affected by its creation.

 

 

 

 

Yada yada yada....colonialism.....yada yada yada....Zionism......

 

Yawn.

You need to review your views.

[deejai33]

21 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Im sorry I'm getting confused, Colonists and king Charles are relevent to what Hamas did on the 7th of Oct am I missing something Deejai33.

Yes, you are missing context.  7th october did not occur in a vacuum.  

 

[RanongCat]

Just now, Morch said:

 

Yada yada yada....colonialism.....yada yada yada....Zionism......

 

Yawn.

You need to review your views.

Nominal dismissive  retort to fact . It may impress  lapdogs .

[Morch]

Just now, deejai33 said:

Yes, you are missing context.  7th october did not occur in a vacuum.  

 

 

You are missing the fact that his topic is about current affairs, rather than an ideology/history class.

[Morch]

Just now, RanongCat said:

Nominal dismissive  retort to fact . It may impress  lapdogs .

 

No facts were offered, but an opinion. I do not agree with it.

No lapdogs, but I do have a dog topic open if you have some insights to offer.

[proton]

5 minutes ago, deejai33 said:

Yes, in the past colonialist had a free hand.  Powerful armies.  Conquer who you fancy.  Some colonies did fail too ofcourse.

 

But in the 20th century, an internationally agreed rules structure emerged.  League of Nations, UN, Geneva convention, etc.  Human rights declarations.  War crimes, ICC more recently.

 

Its ceased to be so easy for a country to go and colonise somewhere.  And native populations fought back.

 

The zionist movements attempt to colonise Palestine came at a time when the idea of international rules appeared.   

 

Israel needs to review its past and get real about its obligations to the people of Palestine it has affected by its creation.

 

 

 

 

Palestine does not exist

[transam]

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

 

Is this an example of you "trashing" me?

It's like being flogged with a limp lettuce leaf.

Schoolyard taunts have more wit and wisdom than this pathetic offering.

 

Do better.

 

That wasn't trashing, that was pointing something out, try responding to some of my other posts putting you on the trolling spot.....🤭 

[RanongCat]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

No facts were offered, but an opinion. I do not agree with it.

No lapdogs, but I do have a dog topic open if you have some insights to offer.

Wardog  topic? Pitbull? Or lame dogs?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, RanongCat said:

Nominal dismissive  retort to fact . It may impress  lapdogs .

Is there something wrong with your thesaurus............

[RanongCat]

Meds  abound . Evening all.

[deejai33]

20 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Israel will take care of it by itself. Many perpetrators dead. Some commanders killed in Gaza already. The rest to follow. There were at least two links to articles detailing how Israel set aside both operational and intel teams dedicated to this mission.

 

You can look up ICC cases and see how 'effective' and 'timely' their investigations and proceedings are.

 

Israel does not cooperate with the ICC and denies investigators entry to Israel. Investigators may enter the Gaza Strip via Egypt.

 

You treat the ICC and the UN as if they are unbiased, objective bodies - that's not really how Israel sees it, and I tend to agree with that.

You are correct, I do treat the UN and ICC as important international bodies.   I do expect objectivity from them and fairness.

 

The veto powers for selected nations affects its decisions adversly.

 

I think you are saying that is a mistake to have trust in UN, ICC.  Oh well.  

 

 

[Morch]

Newly released footage shows Palestinian driver in Hamas hands before Oct. 7 slaying

http://Newly released footage shows Palestinian driver in Hamas hands before Oct. 7 slaying

 

Poor guy. Maybe thought he had a chance to get out alive....

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, deejai33 said:

You are correct, I do treat the UN and ICC as important international bodies.   I do expect objectivity from them and fairness.

 

The veto powers for selected nations affects its decisions adversly.

 

I think you are saying that is a mistake to have trust in UN, ICC.  Oh well.  

 

 

That depends on which official you listen to.

 

In addition to his anti-Israel statements and actions within his official capacity, Mokhiber’s social media presence demonstrates that he is not able to fulfill his mandate objectively. The consistent use of hate-mongering rhetoric by a senior official of Mokhiber’s stature normalizes anti-Israel sentiments across the UN human rights system. The posts, therefore, constitute a violation of his obligations to the UN.

https://unwatch.org/exposed-top-human-rights-official-craig-mokhiber-deep-seated-anti-israel-bias/

[MrMojoRisin]

8 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

I think that the domestic/internal actions of the Israeli citizens and politicians are going to have more impact for the future of Israel as state than the Palestinian and neighboring countries military and diplomatic influence.

 

Agreed.

Many Israeli's are appalled at the lurch to right wing extremism ongoing since the turn of the century.

The immediate danger is war favours Netanyahu and therefore he is in no rush to contain it or end it.

Netanyahu's political career ends when this war ends - he will unnecessarily prolong it.

The US has to pull on his leash, sooner rather than later - the problem here though is that they are about to enter the pointy end of their election cycle and appearing to side with Muslim Arabs won't play well with voters so likely won't happen.

Expect more parties to enter the war against Israel if it drags on too long.

Then what?