Disappointment in Srettha’s Putin Phuket invitation

[paddypower]

I am pretty sure this wont make it through the senzors. but it's worth a try. when I imagine Srettha's invitation to Putin, why am I reminded of that episode in ''From Dusk Till Dawn'' 'Come on over to Phuket - you'll love it. It's a (deleted) blowout. 'we got white (deleted), black (deleted), Spanish (deleted) yellow (deleted. We got hot (deleted), cold (deleted. We got wet (deleted). . 

[sammieuk1]

The guest after dinner speaker can now be penciled in 🤔

 

[Purdey]

People forget that Thailand has been part of the non-aligned movement since 1993. That means it is not supposed to align itself with one country or another against others. Hopefully, it wont get dragged into a war between the USA and Russia, or the USA and China. 

[MikeandDow]

7 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

The guest after dinner speaker can now be penciled in 🤔

 

Quantifying the evil of dictators can be a tricky business. Most would quantify the horrors of dictators by how many people were killed under his rule. In that case, there were several dictators worse than Hitler.

Mao Zedong - Communist dictator of China - 25–30 million died.

Josef Stalin - Communist dictator of USSR - 30 million died.

Leopold II - Colonial leader of Belgium - had upwards of 20 million Congolese salughtered.

At this point the numbers vary between Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Kim Il Sung, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh. Anywhere between 1–10 million range.

[samtam]

3 hours ago, shackleton said:

I would think President Putin might be a bit reluctant to leave Russia at this time with whats happening in Ukraine 😱

He might not get back in to Russia 🥳

 

2 hours ago, Bobydog said:

Has it emerged? Are the Senators that were put in place, .not elected, still there?  Putin will not ever leave his bunker to vist a Country where the Police shoot each other, let alone all the other carnal goings on. That Thai Gov even initiated an invitation to a man.with a target on his back, is a joke.

Putin went to China, so clearly fear of being toppled whilst outside of Russia is not immediate.

[Cabradelmar]

One should hope Thailand will reap negative repercussions from the global community for this action (should Vladimir actually set foot inside Thailand). Not just in the form of rebukes, but economic sanctions and penalties. Not even the 1m Russians visiting Thailand as an escape from this man's ruthlessness can be all that thrilled about his proposed visit. 

[sammieuk1]

5 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Quantifying the evil of dictators can be a tricky business. Most would quantify the horrors of dictators by how many people were killed under his rule. In that case, there were several dictators worse than Hitler.

Mao Zedong - Communist dictator of China - 25–30 million died.

Josef Stalin - Communist dictator of USSR - 30 million died.

Leopold II - Colonial leader of Belgium - had upwards of 20 million Congolese salughtered.

At this point the numbers vary between Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Kim Il Sung, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh. Anywhere between 1–10 million range.

OK it can't get any worse invite them all they are all bound to be a dead friend of someone or other here 🤔

[MikeandDow]

12 minutes ago, Purdey said:

People forget that Thailand has been part of the non-aligned movement since 1993. That means it is not supposed to align itself with one country or another against others. Hopefully, it wont get dragged into a war between the USA and Russia, or the USA and China. 

so are Palestine, Lebanon 

[RichardColeman]

I am sure if Ukraine send more tourists than Russia, the invite would never happen

[Purdey]

9 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

so are Palestine, Lebanon 

Er, no, they are not. See the list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

They are not listed. 

[MikeandDow]

2 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Er, no, they are not. See the list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement

They are not listed. 

do you know how to scroll down

Asia

1.  Afghanistan (1961)
2.  Bahrain (1973)
3.  Bangladesh (1973)
4.  Bhutan (1973)
5.  Brunei Darussalam (1993)
6.  Cambodia (1961)
7.  India (1961)
8.  Indonesia (1961)
9.  Iran (1979)
10.  Iraq (1961)
11.  Jordan (1964)
12.  Kuwait (1964)
13.  Laos (1964)
14.  Lebanon (1961)
15.  Malaysia (1970)
16.  Maldives (1976)
17.  Mongolia (1993)
18.  Myanmar (1961)
19.    Nepal (1961)
20.  North Korea (1975)
21.  Oman (1973)
22.  Pakistan (1979)
23.  Palestine (1976)
24.  Philippines (1993)
25.  Qatar (1973)
26.  Saudi Arabia (1961)
27.  Singapore (1970)
28.  Sri Lanka (1961)
29.  Syria (1964)
30.  Thailand (1993)
31.  East Timor (2003)
32.  Turkmenistan (1995)
33.  United Arab Emirates (1970)
34.  Uzbekistan (1993)
35.  Vietnam (1976)
36.  Yemen (1990) ^[77

[Purdey]

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

do you know how to scroll down

Asia

1.  Afghanistan (1961)
2.  Bahrain (1973)
3.  Bangladesh (1973)
4.  Bhutan (1973)
5.  Brunei Darussalam (1993)
6.  Cambodia (1961)
7.  India (1961)
8.  Indonesia (1961)
9.  Iran (1979)
10.  Iraq (1961)
11.  Jordan (1964)
12.  Kuwait (1964)
13.  Laos (1964)
14.  Lebanon (1961)
15.  Malaysia (1970)
16.  Maldives (1976)
17.  Mongolia (1993)
18.  Myanmar (1961)
19.    Nepal (1961)
20.  North Korea (1975)
21.  Oman (1973)
22.  Pakistan (1979)
23.  Palestine (1976)
24.  Philippines (1993)
25.  Qatar (1973)
26.  Saudi Arabia (1961)
27.  Singapore (1970)
28.  Sri Lanka (1961)
29.  Syria (1964)
30.  Thailand (1993)
31.  East Timor (2003)
32.  Turkmenistan (1995)
33.  United Arab Emirates (1970)
34.  Uzbekistan (1993)
35.  Vietnam (1976)
36.  Yemen (1990) ^[77

Tried to delete my reply but AN wouldn't allow that. I did see them mentioned. You were right.

[John Drake]

And wait until you see the invitation Srettha is giving the Chinese today;

 

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[JimboB4]

Closest Non-NATO ally actually. 

[MikeandDow]

3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

And wait until you see the invitation Srettha is giving the Chinese today;

 

 

Cumberworld Bobolyne

Edited October 19, 2023 by MikeandDow

[Hardcastle P]

Thailand obviously dose not subscribed to international warrants, Putin is on the list for war crimes , someone needs to remind Thailand PM.

[El Matador]

Lovely.

I heard the boss of Hamas was getting bored in his villa in Qatar and wanted to take some holidays in Pattaya.

Hopefully Srettha can help this gentleman.

[Presnock]

8 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I guess I would have been upset about that years ago.

Not anymore.

Because if Thailand would not invite any politicians who did something bad anymore, who would be left?

No Russia, China, America, and many more.

Would that be overall good for Thailand? I don't think so.

 

And then there is the argument that to improve relations and behavior people have to talk to each other. 

One would think sitting in SEA, surrounded by Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and what has happened in those countries to the rights of their citizens, that these

"politicians" would shy away from autocratic leaders or that the local citizens wary of military rule would let the new government know how they feel.  Maybe

that is what all want but I don't believe so.  Since I am not a citizen here but only a "visitor", I coud care less except for my wife and daughter.  I feel sorry for

them and will make preparations for moving if needed.

 

[Presnock]

5 hours ago, Tidal wave said:

Yes, Vietnam is communist same as hiding in plain sight Russia you would expect nothing less Indonesia much the same and Muslim just because your view is sell yourself to any devil for a few dollars because your a small trading country its not right because you say so either.  

Have read that VN "hates" the Chinese and I have seen numerous stories about how Russians are not favored there either.  They seem to be much smarter than

the countries immediately surrounding Thailand and what happens to them as they climb into bed with the autocratic rulers.

[gaucan]

8 hours ago, seajae said:

really shows how pathetic the current govt is, associating with china and russia just allows the world to see that Thailand is run by idiots,

did u just wake up from winter sleep? go get ur beer

[Lapun]

There is a big difference between signing & ratifying something.

 

Here is a bit of clarity provided by -

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_parties_to_the_Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court

 

Thailand
Former Senator Kraisak Choonhavan called in November 2006 for Thailand to ratify the Rome Statute and to accept retrospective jurisdiction, so that former premier Thaksin Shinawatra could be investigated for crimes against humanity connected to 2,500 alleged extrajudicial killings carried out in 2003 against suspected drug dealers.

 

Additionally -

The United States signed the Rome Statute in December 2000 (under President Bill Clinton), but Clinton decided not to submit the treaty to the United States Senate for ratification, stating: "I will not, and do not recommend that my successor [George W. Bush] submit the treaty to the Senate for advice and consent until our fundamental concerns are satisfied."

And . . .

The Trump administration strained relations with the ICC, stating it would revoke visas for any ICC staff seeking to investigate Americans for war crimes. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo stated that such revocations could be applied to any staff involved with investigating war crimes committed by Israel or other allied nations as well.

 

Also . . .

Four signatory states (Israel, Russia, Sudan, and the United States) have informed the UN Secretary General that they no longer intend to become parties to the Rome Statute, and as such have no legal obligations arising from their signature.

 

And for those to lazy to read . . .

 

 

 

[Bobydog]

1 hour ago, samtam said:

 

Putin went to China, so clearly fear of being toppled whilst outside of Russia is not immediate.

Not with China, Thailand is no higher than China's kneecaps, not even in the same ballpark, regrettably, Thailand is boardering on 3rd world status

[Mavideol]

17 minutes ago, Lapun said:

There is a big difference between signing & ratifying something.

 

Here is a bit of clarity provided by -

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_parties_to_the_Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court

 

Thailand
Former Senator Kraisak Choonhavan called in November 2006 for Thailand to ratify the Rome Statute and to accept retrospective jurisdiction, so that former premier Thaksin Shinawatra could be investigated for crimes against humanity connected to 2,500 alleged extrajudicial killings carried out in 2003 against suspected drug dealers.

 

Additionally -

The United States signed the Rome Statute in December 2000 (under President Bill Clinton), but Clinton decided not to submit the treaty to the United States Senate for ratification, stating: "I will not, and do not recommend that my successor [George W. Bush] submit the treaty to the Senate for advice and consent until our fundamental concerns are satisfied."

And . . .

The Trump administration strained relations with the ICC, stating it would revoke visas for any ICC staff seeking to investigate Americans for war crimes. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo stated that such revocations could be applied to any staff involved with investigating war crimes committed by Israel or other allied nations as well.

 

Also . . .

Four signatory states (Israel, Russia, Sudan, and the United States) have informed the UN Secretary General that they no longer intend to become parties to the Rome Statute, and as such have no legal obligations arising from their signature.

 

And for those to lazy to read . . .

 

 

 

in other words, the ICC is obsolete as is the UN and their non sense security council.... back to the drawing table then

[Gknrd]

"a concerning trajectory for a nation that has freshly emerged from the shadows of a military junta."  hahaha

 

I don't think anyone with a brain is fooled about this..!  

Thailand is clearly not on the fence anymore. They are clearly with China, Russia. If they think they are fooling the west then they are very mistaken. And that is all this election was for.

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by Gknrd

[MikeandDow]

24 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

in other words, the ICC is obsolete as is the UN and their non sense security council.... back to the drawing table then

there will be no arrest Thailand has Not ratified  the rome ageement nor will they becuase if they did the ICC will go after Thaskin for war crimes

[choudens]

Very very good idea to invite Putin! Please don't tell anyone, mostly not the PM as he is not aware of it, but as Thailand is a signatory to the Rome Statute of the ICC our Thai guest must be arrested upon is arrival in Thailand! perfect! Thailand will save many lives of young and less young Ukrainians!

[MikeandDow]

1 minute ago, choudens said:

Very very good idea to invite Putin! Please don't tell anyone, mostly not the PM as he is not aware of it, but as Thailand is a signatory to the Rome Statute of the ICC our Thai guest must be arrested upon is arrival in Thailand! perfect! Thailand will save many lives of young and less young Ukrainians!

the agreement is not ratified therefore no arrest

[WashingUpagain]

It's nothing more than a diplomatic gesture...they know full well Putin will not accept.

[MikeandDow]

52 minutes ago, WashingUpagain said:

It's nothing more than a diplomatic gesture...they know full well Putin will not accept.

• FROM AFP NEWS

Putin Accepts Invites To Visit Thailand, Vietnam

[Shocked farang]

Well, I just hope that the immigration officer at Survanabhumi airport does his job as he does with everyone who enters the Kingdom. There's an Interpol alert for the arrest of Vladimir Putin, that's the main reason that he's been avoiding traveling since the start of the war.