4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Mr. Mao, loved to sleep with young virgins, and spit in spittoons.

well then,

That explains it. 

 

1 minute ago, degrub said:

So what of the 1 China, two systems rhetoric vis a vi an island historically not part of China ?

 

Very good and to the poin t comment above. 

In the end I an sure the above will be a face saving solution for both sides. 

10 minutes ago, sirineou said:

vis a vi

 

Please run your comments through Grammarly before posting.

Thank you.

 

I am suggesting nothing more than has already been suggested by guidelines of the forum.

 

 

20 minutes ago, degrub said:

So what of the 1 China, two systems rhetoric vis a vi an island historically not part of China ?

 

 

ambiguity

 

52 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

The idiocy (getting into a war with China) comes from the idiots the US has in the Congress and Senate.

And the idiots meeting with Xi Jinping for a butt-licking session in San Francisco today. 

 

37 minutes ago, sirineou said:

In the opinion of many in the west, The rise of China was inevitable. You can't possibly keep a country with the ,intelligence, education, work ethic, and history down. 

The time of the 100 year humiliation was over, and one way or another China was going to be a player in the world statage.

One way would had been as an adversary, and abothe as a partner. So the Theory was that if China  was  engaged in trade sbstancial trade with the west , it would in time become a liberal democracy. 

And it was a good plan, but what they failed to to consider was the cultural  differences between asean populations and western ones.  The individuality that is ingrained in the western ethos is not a big part of Chinese culture. i 

 

You could say the same thing about the middle east, yes? 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

You could say the same thing about the middle east, yes? 

 

No.

One cannot.

 

 

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Very good and to the poin t comment above. 

In the end I an sure the above will be a face saving solution for both sides. 

And the CCP can afford to wait…, but not pretend. Hence the lack of diplomatic recognition with most all UN member states that continues to grow when the CCP applies pressure in the form of economic assistance and bilateral agreements.  I reckon the US and allies originally supported Taiwan because of our support of Chiang Kai-shek during the war.  It did not cost the US much to do so.  The West may care less about the island except for the historical accident of the KMT fleeing there. Witness Hong Kong - dying from a thousand cuts. The same is, i think, the likely fate of Taiwan , firefight or no.

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

No.

One cannot.

 

 

Why?

9 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

ambiguity

 

None for the CCP i think. 

25 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Please run your comments through Grammarly before posting.

Thank you.

 

I am suggesting nothing more than has already been suggested by guidelines of the forum.

 

 

I claim two thumb typing in defense ;-)

3 minutes ago, degrub said:

I claim two thumb typing in defense ;-)

 

excuses

excuses

 

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why?

 

You should know why.

 

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You should know why.

 

That's hilarious. Another sexual intellectual. 

1. China would have to be absolutely insane to invade Taiwan, the risk of calamity for China would be enormous. Their Navy is just not as powerful as they think, it's very short range, and they have a very limited number of deep water ports, should the war spread, which it likely would. 

 

2. If they were to declare war of any nature it would like to start with the massive cyber war, of which they're very well equipped for, and have been spending a fortune on in the past 20 years. 

 

3. Whether or not the US would get involved is very, very hard to say. There is definitely a significant chance of that and if that's the case the Chinese Navy would be obliterated very quickly. Would it then lead to a ground war? That's anybody's guess, I think the nuclear option is fairly remote, everybody knows what that's going to lead to, and the repercussions are horrendous. 

 

4. China is definitely up to no good, the intentions of the CCP are heinous at best, and there's no question that they have a great hunger for expansionist, so one could make an argument that the beginning of that expansion is only a matter of time. There are likely elements within the Chinese military pushing for war. It would end up poorly for China. 

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

1. China would have to be absolutely insane to invade Taiwan, the risk of calamity for China would be enormous. Their Navy is just not as powerful as they think, it's very short range, and they have a very limited number of deep water ports, should the war spread, which it likely would. 

 

2. If they were to declare war of any nature it would like to start with the massive cyber war, of which they're very well equipped for, and have been spending a fortune on in the past 20 years. 

 

3. Whether or not the US would get involved is very, very hard to say. There is definitely a significant chance of that and if that's the case the Chinese Navy would be obliterated very quickly. Would it then lead to a ground war? That's anybody's guess, I think the nuclear option is fairly remote, everybody knows what that's going to lead to, and the repercussions are horrendous. 

 

4. China is definitely up to no good, the intentions of the CCP are heinous at best, and there's no question that they have a great hunger for expansionist, so one could make an argument that the beginning of that expansion is only a matter of time. There are likely elements within the Chinese military pushing for war. It would end up poorly for China. 

What is the status of the Chinese navy compared to the US navy?

 

 

33 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

You could say the same thing about the middle east, yes? 

No, The middle East was exploited/developed by the West for its energy resources. Many of those operations are still closely supported by the West as contract experts for hire. It seems to me that much of that expertise did not transfer and invigorate local invention, development, and optimization. It was more of a “ run it as originally designed” approach. 
 

China, was and is different in those aspects. Make it cheaper. Make it faster. Both are core to the rise of manufacturing, design, and operation in China. I’m sure there are other areas where the same is true.  These are the ones i know from personal experience in both areas of the world.

16 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

1. China would have to be absolutely insane to invade Taiwan, the risk of calamity for China would be enormous. Their Navy is just not as powerful as they think, it's very short range, and they have a very limited number of deep water ports, should the war spread, which it likely would. 

 

2. If they were to declare war of any nature it would like to start with the massive cyber war, of which they're very well equipped for, and have been spending a fortune on in the past 20 years. 

 

3. Whether or not the US would get involved is very, very hard to say. There is definitely a significant chance of that and if that's the case the Chinese Navy would be obliterated very quickly. Would it then lead to a ground war? That's anybody's guess, I think the nuclear option is fairly remote, everybody knows what that's going to lead to, and the repercussions are horrendous. 

 

4. China is definitely up to no good, the intentions of the CCP are heinous at best, and there's no question that they have a great hunger for expansionist, so one could make an argument that the beginning of that expansion is only a matter of time. There are likely elements within the Chinese military pushing for war. It would end up poorly for China. 

The real war will be in the South China Sea i think.  Energy resources appear to be abundant and critical for the CCP’s expansionist policy. The same sort of need was a factor in the start of the Pacific war with Japan. 
 

1 minute ago, degrub said:

No, The middle East was exploited/developed by the West for its energy resources. Many of those operations are still closely supported by the West as contract experts for hire. It seems to me that much of that expertise did not transfer and invigorate local invention, development, and optimization. It was more of a “ run it as originally designed” approach. 
 

China, was and is different in those aspects. Make it cheaper. Make it faster. Both are core to the rise of manufacturing, design, and operation in China. I’m sure there are other areas where the same is true.  These are the ones i know from personal experience in both areas of the world.

My comment was in regard to the portion of the post that I bolded in the post, and that I have copied here: "And it was a good plan, but what they failed to to consider was the cultural differences between asean populations and western ones.  The individuality that is ingrained in the western ethos is not a big part of Chinese culture."

 

Is it your position "...the cultural differences between middle eastern populations and western ones..." is not significant and that the "...individuality that is ingrained in the western ethos is a..." big part of Middle Eastern culture? 

 

 

36 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That's hilarious. Another sexual intellectual. 

 

Yeah...

Me and Marvin...

 

 

I was THERE, guys!

 

Haha...

 

You guys only read about it....in your "History" books....

 

 

 

 

On 10/31/2023 at 5:20 AM, sirineou said:

Interesting talk concerning the OP subject 

 

 

This is probably mostly bs.

This guy is being paid by US govt to tell the masses what they want people to know.

 

Also, is China a "threat" when they export most of their goods to the US? 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

My comment was in regard to the portion of the post that I bolded in the post, and that I have copied here: "And it was a good plan, but what they failed to to consider was the cultural differences between asean populations and western ones.  The individuality that is ingrained in the western ethos is not a big part of Chinese culture."

 

Is it your position "...the cultural differences between middle eastern populations and western ones..." is not significant and that the "...individuality that is ingrained in the western ethos is a..." big part of Middle Eastern culture? 

 

 

My observation and thought is that the goal of many in the middle east is to manage rather than be workers - those can be hired from abroad, so why bother. Such is the curse of energy resources .  That seems to be a current cultural issue and difference from the West. I would not say that western individuality is strongly ingrained in the middle east.  Thought is controlled based on comments to me over the years . Certainly it is kept very private. 

16 minutes ago, degrub said:

I would not say that western individuality is strongly ingrained in the middle east.

 

What about Hofstede's research when comparing middle east to China?

 

Ever thought about it?

 

 

 

Doubt very much that you have....

 

Why do I even bother with you?....

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

What about Hofstede's research when comparing middle east to China?

 

Ever thought about it?

 

 

 

Doubt very much that you have....

 

 

 

Citation ?

3 hours ago, sirineou said:

Can you also guess what I am holding in my right hand? 

   What kind of insecurity causes you to try and tell others at every opportunity , by dropping names and and pretentious language ?

I am a 66 year old  Greek American fairly well educated , and I fail to see what the Cuban crisis has to do with what you and me are talking about right now.

It certainly did not result in "game over" and accomplished Khrushchev's goal of forcing the US promise to remove missiles from Turkey and by extension Italy. And as a bonus extracted a promise from the US not to invade Cuba. 

It was a limited conflict that accomplished specific goals. 

 

It's kinda funny how you make the same 'insecure' comments vs. other posters (like myself) when you can't deal with their views or out of your depth.

3 hours ago, sirineou said:

What are you doing? 

Frantically googling to fact check what I just said?

Because you don't know, do you?  If you did you would had replied already. 

Leeson number 1 son ,

in a debate never ask a question whose answer you don't know!

 

Pity you don't take your own advice to heart.

But rather amusing, though.

30 minutes ago, degrub said:

Citation ?

 

Sorry.

My Bad....

 

https://blog.oup.com/2017/03/hofstede-cultural-dimensions/

 

https://scholarworks.gvsu.edu/orpc/vol2/iss1/8/?&ei=9owuVLrgCIfXaqzngIgJ&sa=U

 

 

My greatest wish is to see Xi quickly occupy and dominate Taiwan.

 

Taiwan is one of the most disgusting islands, and anything BUT an Isla Formosa.

 

Just a bunch of betel-nut chewing guys who have destroyed a once beautiful island.

 

Of course, we should not allow Xi to have TSMC.

 

TSMC was built by the Americans, essentially.

 

We need to distance ourselves from that rotten powder keg island of passive-aggressive ne'er-do-wells.

 

We do NOT need Taiwan.

 

Let the Chicom Commie Bandits have the island, free of charge.

 

There is really nothing worth saving on the island, after ChiangKaiSht invaded the island in 1949.

 

Also, about the food on Taiwan.....

 

Other than GanBeiJi, the food is for <deleted>.

 

All the great cooks that Chiang brought over with his army, in 1949, are now dead.

 

I was there on the island when they had REAL cooks from SiChuan....

 

Now, you got BUBBLE TEA.

 

And, the boys are weaklings, too....

Weaker than girls, even.

 

I know A LOT about that disgusting island.

 

Just ask me anything.

 

I should post a Topic on this topic, if only I had the time to do so....

 

What a downright disgusting place.

 

And, the prez.....

She calls herself Cai English....

But, she cannot speak English worth a darn.

 

I have spent more time on that stinking island than most of you have spent on this planet.

 

Believe me!

 

 

6 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I was THERE, guys!

 

Haha...

 

You guys only read about it....in your "History" books....

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is, my friends....

 

The Taiwanese will turn on you, on a dime, at the drop of the hat.

 

They would throw their grandmother under the bus, for a dime.

 

What?

Me joking?

 

No way, Bro!

 

They would sell their sisters into the Betel-Nut Trade, for just one NTD!

 

This is why, after many years of steadfast support from the US Gov, these fickle fools of Formosa began throwing eggs at Warren Cristopher, in his black limo.

 

I was THERE, Man.

 

I was THERE when JiangJingGuo died, too.

 

The Taiwanese threw him under the bus, too.

 

They heckled him to death, during the final moments of his life.

 

You just gotta wonder what kind of sick people would do such a thing.

 

Actually, JiangJingGuo as not half bad.

He was NOT like his father in so many respects.

 

I WISH the WaiShengRen could come back from the grave to take over Taiwan and rule the island as it should be ruled.

 

Life in Taiwan, before the lazy Taiwanese got the upper hand, was just SOOOOO Much better.

 

We had good food to eat....

Not that crappola served up from the ragamuffin coolies from the rice fields in Taiwan.

 

You gotta ask yourself....

 

What would a Taiwanese rice planter, all bent over with arthritis, know about fine Chinese cuisine.

 

Also....

 

I would gladly trade Taiwan to Xi IF he would please return HK to the UK!!!!!!!!!!

 

HK had class.

Taiwan, and especially Taipei has NO CLASS.

 

Have you ever been to Tainan?

I was there BEFORE the streets were paved

Nothing but MUD, and that's the way they LIKED it.

 

What about ChangHua?

What a disgusting city of 600,000.

They would not know JS Bach from a hole in the wall.

 

All they know is faux Japanese food.

They love their sushi in ChangHua, which is just over the bridge from another terrible city, Taichung.

 

There in ChangHua, you can try to get tooling made.

But, do they do it right?

NO.  They do not.

 

And what about the RAIN?

 

In Kaohsiung, it can rain over two meters within a 24 hour period.

 

And then they got the floods which strands the native people on that godforsaken island.

 

And did I mention that, in recent years, the people on Taiwan actually ATE a few crew members from a US Naval vessel?

Of course, they must have stewed these midshipmen because, that is ALL the Taiwanese know how to do.

Their cookery is bland and disgusting.

They boil almost EVERYTHING.

Even human body parts, maybe.

 

HERE is the CITATION:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_incident

 

So, anyway, I am glad to be rid of the place.

 

Nobody ate me.

But, I ate some of them....

 

The Dutch never did very well on Formosa either.

 

 

Never return...

This is my watchword.

 

PS:  Did I mention the rampant racism on Formosa?  At least...maybe.... Lee DengHui made an effort to stamp out racial divide, or ethnic divide....  And, he was moderately successful, too.