Judge denies Trump bid to delay classified documents trial

[CharlieH]

 

A federal judge in Florida, for now, declined to delay the start of former President Trump’s criminal case over his handling of classified documents, though she did push back several pretrial deadlines in the case.

U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon ruled Friday that she would dismiss the motion from Trump’s legal team “without prejudice” against taking it up again in the future. The trial’s start date could be reconsidered at a scheduling conference March 1, she wrote.

The order is a small victory for special counsel Jack Smith’s team, which had strongly argued against any delays in the case by suggesting that the former president wanted to push the case until after the 2024 presidential election. Trump is the undisputed front-runner in the GOP presidential primary.

When Cannon heard arguments about a potential delay earlier this month, she appeared ready to side with Trump’s attorneys’ request to postpone the trial, saying she “has a hard time seeing how realistically this [current schedule] would work.”

The Florida judge noted the 1.3 million pages of evidence — plus thousands of hours of security video shot at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort — that prosecutors in the Mar-a-Lago case gave to the defense in discovery, in addition to the former president’s other legal woes with schedules of their own.

“I am not quite seeing a level of understanding on your part to these realities,” Cannon said at the time to prosecutor Jay Bratt, a member of special counsel Jack Smith’s team.

Trump’s classified documents trial is scheduled to begin May 20, a little over two months after his Washington, D.C.-based trial on charges linked to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election is set to begin, March 4. Trump’s criminal case in New York over a hush-money payment is set to head to trial March 25, and a trial in Trump’s fourth criminal case, linked to his actions in Georgia after the 2020 election, has not yet been scheduled.

 

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[Chomper Higgot]

Justice is coming Donny.

 

Face it as soon as you can while you still have a chance that you might know what’s going on around you.

[Tug]

Personally I doubt this case will get to trial before the election trump has a lifetime of experience in delaying the judicial system I sincerely hope I’m wrong I want that man to explain himself under oath  why he thought it was (ok) to put our National Security at risk and under oath as to why he thought he was (entitled) to even have them.he’s lucky he’s in a civilized country many would have had him shot allready for putting the nations security at risk

[heybruce]

Waiting for the MAGA types to tell us that Trump appointed Judge Cannon is a Trump hating deep state operative.

[Danderman123]

This trial is too depressing for the Trump fans, they know the Feds have him dead to rights.

 

His only chances are a hung jury, or delay past January 20, 2025 (assuming he wins the presidential election).

 

What is never discussed is the long delay between conviction and sentencing. What I think we are going to see next year is Trump nominated by the GOP - even if he has been convicted by a jury, he loses the presidential election, suffers more convictions, and then spends the next few years delaying incarceration.

 

Meanwhile, the Trump fans will have moved on to the next shiny object.

[Danderman123]

Do any Trump fans have a defense for Trump's theft of classified documents?

 

So far, I haven't heard a coherent defense from the crack Trump legsl team.

[Danderman123]

Jack Smith set to release 'important evidence' on Trump's Jan. 6 motives: legal expert

[illisdean]

On 11/13/2023 at 2:08 PM, Danderman123 said:

Do any Trump fans have a defense for Trump's theft of classified documents?

 

So far, I haven't heard a coherent defense from the crack Trump legsl team.

You must be getting confused by all this and thinking about Biden. I certainly know of no theft of document charges against former President Trump. When was he charged for theft of documents? The docs that the PRA grants him absolute plenary powers to declassify and possess, meaning ANY presidential records, docs, and so on but please share the document theft charges you are fantasizing about.

 

FYI, a little analysis of the ongoing court dates stick handling could reveal a brilliant strategy playing out, right into the hands of yours truly. You can start by thanking the judge in Florida and her recent ruling(s). Think a little on it and consult with your informed colleagues to guide and advise you and don't forget the theft of document indictment.

Edited December 5, 2023 by illisdean

[Danderman123]

31 minutes ago, illisdean said:

 The docs that the PRA grants him absolute plenary powers to declassify and possess, meaning ANY presidential records, docs, and so on 

The Presidential records Act gives him no such powers:

 

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

 

Here are some clues for you:

 

• Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

 

Either you don't understand any of this, or you are misled by Trump.

 

If you are acting in good faith, I will walk you through the provisions of the PRA and the declassification process so you understand why Trump is in trouble.

 

 

[Danderman123]

36 minutes ago, illisdean said:

You must be getting confused by all this and thinking about Biden. I certainly know of no theft of document charges against former President Trump. When was he charged for theft of documents? 

Retention of classified documents is the crime Trump is charged with.

[illisdean]

17 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Retention of classified documents is the crime Trump is charged with.

Retention of classified documents, oh, ok, so you are wrong again, no surprise there.

 

FYI, the PRA IS NOT a criminal statute, (classified docs was the ruse used by the DOJ to get the search warrant (refer to AFFADAVIT)  go after Trump in search of a crime and guess what here's the outcome:

 

The charges in the indictment fall into three categories. Those categories are:
•    willful retention of documents related to the national defense in violation of the
Espionage Act (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)); Counts 1-31
•    obstruction-based charges, including destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations (18 U.S.C. § 1519), witness tampering (18 U.S.C. § 1512), and conspiracy to violate the witness tampering statute (18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)); and
•    false statement offenses (18 U.S.C. § 1001).

Counts 2-38 are process crimes.

The indictment also includes 18 U.S.C. § 2 in several of the counts; that provision specifies, among other things, that whoever “commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.” Counts 2-38 are process crimes, including co-defendant Waltine Nauta.

 

So, since President Trump cannot be indicted for possessing classified documents and records, the corrupt Biden DOJ charged Trump with espionage act ....ha ha ha, oh well.It's done nothing to hurt him in the polls and standings and at this point has never polled so high in his political career.

 Here's the 2020 RCP general election Trump/Biden 2 years ago.

 

j

 

 

This from yesterday.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by illisdean

[illisdean]

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[Georgealbert]

25 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Retention of classified documents, oh, ok, so you are wrong again, no surprise there.

 

FYI, the PRA IS NOT a criminal statute, (classified docs was the ruse used by the DOJ to get the search warrant (refer to AFFADAVIT)  go after Trump in search of a crime and guess what here's the outcome:

 

The charges in the indictment fall into three categories. Those categories are:
•    willful retention of documents related to the national defense in violation of the
Espionage Act (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)); Counts 1-31
•    obstruction-based charges, including destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations (18 U.S.C. § 1519), witness tampering (18 U.S.C. § 1512), and conspiracy to violate the witness tampering statute (18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)); and
•    false statement offenses (18 U.S.C. § 1001).

Counts 2-38 are process crimes.

The indictment also includes 18 U.S.C. § 2 in several of the counts; that provision specifies, among other things, that whoever “commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.” Counts 2-38 are process crimes, including co-defendant Waltine Nauta.

 

So, since President Trump cannot be indicted for possessing classified documents and records, the corrupt Biden DOJ charged Trump with espionage act ....ha ha ha, oh well.It's done nothing to hurt him in the polls and standings and at this point has never polled so high in his political career.

 Here's the 2020 RCP general election Trump/Biden 2 years ago.

 

j

 

 

This from yesterday.

 

 

 

 

Strangest post today. Which QAnon site you get that rant from?

 

And then also using the proven lying news site to back you claim.

 

5555555

[illisdean]

On 12/6/2023 at 8:05 AM, Georgealbert said:

Strangest post today. Which QAnon site you get that rant from?

 

And then also using the proven lying news site to back you claim.

 

5555555

proven lying news site, as in FOX news, who in this instance is accurately and truthfully re[orting the results of the Messenger  Harris poll showing the results of Trump leading Biden in the presidential election head to head category in a loud and clear signal to anyone seeing this, including now you who calls out FOX for stellar and honest fact reporting. I remember when Tucker was rolling, more dems were watching him over Rachel Maddow. LOL...you recall that?

 

https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carlson-liberal-viewership-fox-news/

 

Even Dems were gravitating to FOX, more than regime media sites like CNN and MSNBC.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andymeek/2021/03/05/more-democrats-than-you-probably-realize-are-watching-fox-news-regularly/?sh=6c07e49956db

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/580171-more-democrats-watch-fox-news-during-primetime-than-cnndata/

 

Edited December 8, 2023 by illisdean

[illisdean]

On 12/5/2023 at 1:54 PM, Danderman123 said:

The Presidential records Act gives him no such powers:

 

https://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

 

Here are some clues for you:

 

• Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

 

Either you don't understand any of this, or you are misled by Trump.

 

If you are acting in good faith, I will walk you through the provisions of the PRA and the declassification process so you understand why Trump is in trouble.

 

 

Strange then that Trump has not been charged for possessing classified docs he was entitled to have. Neither has Biden and oh,  he had no such rights under the PRA. Persecution and corruption is the lunatic left's last desperate attempt to take away the right and will of more than 70M voters. US is broaching full on banana republic status, albeit a democratic banana republic.

[Georgealbert]

10 minutes ago, illisdean said:

proven lying news site, as in FOX news, who in this instance is accurately and truthfully re[orting the results of the Messenger  Harris poll showing the results of Trump leading Biden in the presidential election head to head category in a loud and clear signal to anyone seeing this, including now you who calls out FOX for stellar and honest fact reporting. I remember when Tucker was rolling, more dems were watching him over Rachel Maddow. LOL...you recall that?

 

https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carlson-liberal-viewership-fox-news/

 

Even Dems were gravitating to FOX, more than regime media sites like CNN and MSNBC.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andymeek/2021/03/05/more-democrats-than-you-probably-realize-are-watching-fox-news-regularly/?sh=6c07e49956db

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/580171-more-democrats-watch-fox-news-during-primetime-than-cnndata/

 

5555

 

Truth from Fox, that paid out of court to avoid being proved liars.

 

Then sacked Carson!

 

Stick with your conspiracy theories.

 

Only fools fall for the conman Trump

[illisdean]

Just now, Georgealbert said:

5555

 

Truth from Fox, that paid out of court to avoid being proved liars.

 

Then sacked Carson!

 

Stick with your conspiracy theories.

 

Only fools fall for the conman Trump

The conman who's destroying the demented vegetable EVERYWHERE conceivable, except maybe WI.

[illisdean]

2 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

 

Then sacked Carson!

FOX's loss for sacking Carson, aka Carlson.

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Strange then that Trump has not been charged for possessing classified docs he was entitled to have. Neither has Biden and oh,  he had no such rights under the PRA. Persecution and corruption is the lunatic left's last desperate attempt to take away the right and will of more than 70M voters. US is broaching full on banana republic status, albeit a democratic banana republic.

This respond is so stupid I can only assume it is a troll response. 

Trump was not charged for possession of classified document . When Presidents and VPs  move out of the Whitehouse, they don't do the moving themselves, they have people that do that for them, consequently often things that should not have been moved often do. As soon as they are found , a request is made that the items,(being classified or otherwise)be returned, and are promptly returned.

   trump refused to return such , item, lied, concealed, and  engaged in a conspiracies to conceal. 

    HE IS NOT CHARGED FOR BEING IN POSSESSION OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS

he is charged under the espionage act   

"Trump is charged separately for each of 32 documents under the Espionage Act. The other eight charges against him include making false statements and engaging in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. " .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_prosecution_of_Donald_Trump_(classified_documents_case)#:~:text=Trump is charged separately for,additional charges on August 10.

[Georgealbert]

8 minutes ago, illisdean said:

The conman who's destroying the demented vegetable EVERYWHERE conceivable, except maybe WI.

Took less than 2 days to reply this time.

 

Must be fully Tuckered up you conspiracy sound bites 

 

or

 

You have a day of from preaching at the bar stool 🤡

[placeholder]

17 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Strange then that Trump has not been charged for possessing classified docs he was entitled to have. Neither has Biden and oh,  he had no such rights under the PRA. Persecution and corruption is the lunatic left's last desperate attempt to take away the right and will of more than 70M voters. US is broaching full on banana republic status, albeit a democratic banana republic.

Why do you believe that Trump was entitle to have these documents? Just because there are no criminal penalties under the PRA, that doesn't mean Trump was entitled to have them. The law is very clear about that. Willful possession is a violation. If you refuse to return the documents when they are requested by NARA, that's also a violation.

And why exactly do you think it's not a criminal act to lie to the Justice Dept in the course of an investigation?

Why do you think it's not a crime to share the contents of a classified document with other unauthorized persons?

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Strange then that Trump has not been charged for possessing classified docs he was entitled to have. Neither has Biden and oh,  he had no such rights under the PRA. Persecution and corruption is the lunatic left's last desperate attempt to take away the right and will of more than 70M voters. US is broaching full on banana republic status, albeit a democratic banana republic.

 

For the umpteen time and for people like you who live in conspiracy bubble, it is the Espionage Act not the PRA that TRump was charged with 37 counts. Get a life and off the looney train while you can. The end will not be pleasant for Trump nor you. 

[illisdean]

On 11/11/2023 at 1:33 AM, CharlieH said:

U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon ruled Friday that she would dismiss the motion from Trump’s legal team “without prejudice” against taking it up again in the future. The trial’s start date could be reconsidered at a scheduling conference March 1, she wrote.

This could be good, for Trump, for scheduling of the various court dates, very good according to some legal analysis rambled on by various legal pundits. J6 is scheduled for March as is the SDNY/Bragg nuisance charge and IF J6 gets delayed for Trump petitions and appeals, of which there are several VERY contentious issues and this delays, postpones the J6 trial start date....the FL judge did Trump a solid, since her case. unless dropped will take several months during which time there can be no means to schedule in the J6 trial, until later in the fall, within 90 days of the election in which case it gets scheduled after the election. This is very realistic and squares perfectly well with a Trump election victory.

 

Do you think Trump will pardon Hunter if convicted on his 9 count fed tax evasion indictment in CA?

[illisdean]

13 minutes ago, sirineou said:

  HE IS NOT CHARGED FOR BEING IN POSSESSION OF CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS

You like most here fail to understand the PRA is not a criminal statute and that NARA cannot prosecute Trump or any POTUS for retention of classified docs. Should be simple and straight forward for you and the others.

[Georgealbert]

22 minutes ago, illisdean said:

FOX's loss for sacking Carson, aka Carlson.

Bye

 

 

[illisdean]

17 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The end will not be pleasant for Trump nor you. 

LOL...ok, thanks for the warning.

 

Are you vaccinated, how many boosters? Can men get pregnant?

Edited December 8, 2023 by illisdean

[illisdean]

14 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

Took less than 2 days to reply this time.

 

Must be fully Tuckered up you conspiracy sound bites 

 

or

 

You have a day of from preaching at the bar stool 🤡

Why such an attitude?

More to life than your personal little biden luvin echo chamber.

Besides, you attack me AND my message since I destroy your lame narratives each and every time. You can't keep up, try getting something factual and relevant to say instead of nothing-ness.

 

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, illisdean said:

LOL...ok, thanks for the warning.

 

Are you vaccinated, how many booster? Can men get pregnant?

You welcome. Judging from your insane diversion, you do need help. What will you do when Trump lose in 2024 which looks a certainty. 

[Georgealbert]

5 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Why such an attitude?

More to life than your personal little biden luvin echo chamber.

Besides, you attack me AND my message since I destroy your lame narratives each and every time. You can't keep up, try getting something factual and relevant to say instead of nothing-ness.

 

And you do not have an attitude?

 

Life is too short putting up with  people who lack the intelligence to see how stupid their posts are.

 

You continue to post non factual conspiracies, but lack the ability to see you are posting rubbish

 

So Bye, I will no longer reply to you.

 

Try using google, Dunning and Kruger, you may learn something.

 

Or go back to your self kite flying with the other right wing, conspiracy theory nu…bs.

 

There be an empty bar stool with a few pi…..ds, waiting for you.

[Georgealbert]

24 minutes ago, illisdean said:

LOL...ok, thanks for the warning.

 

Are you vaccinated, how many boosters? Can men get pregnant?

 

Did you forget your pills this morning.

I suggest seeking professional help