Trump's legal defeat in Colorado may turn into political gold

[scottiejohn]

  On 12/26/2023 at 7:11 AM, JensenZ said:

he doesn't do much and spends more time on vacation

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Same as Trump!

[ozimoron]

  On 12/26/2023 at 5:25 AM, nauseus said:

 

People have theorized in many ways about J6 and yours is just another version.

 

The breeching of the Capitol seemed to me to be an opportunity taken by the troublemakers, once they saw how weak the security was. These troublemakers were probably more surprised about being able to gain entry than the limited Capitol Police Forces available on the day. And there are plenty more theories about why that was!  

 

See if you can find what Steven Sund had to say about it.

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That implies that the intel was inadequate which I agree with.

 

They normally don't employ an army around the Capitol to prevent a violent insurrection. It's never happened before.

 

I stole those chocolates from the shop because nobody was watching me.

 

[ozimoron]

Former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance had this to say about one of Trump's Christmas posts.

 

 

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 7:25 AM, ozimoron said:

 

That implies that the intel was inadequate which I agree with.

 

They normally don't employ an army around the Capitol to prevent a violent insurrection. It's never happened before.

 

I stole those chocolates from the shop because nobody was watching me.

 

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Steven Sund implies that intelligence, with warnings, did exist and were available pre J6 but they were not acted upon.

 

It seems that advance requests for an extra National Guard presence (including from Sund himself) were denied and even calls for extra help were also delayed on the day, after the trouble had already started.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-capitol-police-chief-sounds-alarm-jan-6-cover-1817365

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 7:25 AM, ozimoron said:

Former federal prosecutor Joyce Vance had this to say about one of Trump's Christmas posts.

 

 

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How interesting. 

[ozimoron]

  On 12/26/2023 at 7:52 AM, nauseus said:

 

Steven Sund implies that intelligence, with warnings, did exist and were available pre J6 but they were not acted upon.

 

It seems that advance requests for an extra National Guard presence (including from Sund himself) were denied and even calls for extra help were also delayed on the day, after the trouble had already started.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-capitol-police-chief-sounds-alarm-jan-6-cover-1817365

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Conspiracy theorist.

 

After facing mounting pressure from Congress and the union representing the Capitol Police, Sund resigned from his position shortly after the riot.

"If I was allowed to do my job as a chief, we wouldn't be here," Sund said in the interview with Carlson. "This didn't have to happen. Everything appears to be a cover-up."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-capitol-police-chief-sounds-alarm-jan-6-cover-1817365

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 7:58 AM, ozimoron said:

 

Conspiracy theorist.

 

After facing mounting pressure from Congress and the union representing the Capitol Police, Sund resigned from his position shortly after the riot.

"If I was allowed to do my job as a chief, we wouldn't be here," Sund said in the interview with Carlson. "This didn't have to happen. Everything appears to be a cover-up."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-capitol-police-chief-sounds-alarm-jan-6-cover-1817365

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So you pasted in two selections from my link?

 

What is your point?

[candide]

  On 12/26/2023 at 7:52 AM, nauseus said:

 

Steven Sund implies that intelligence, with warnings, did exist and were available pre J6 but they were not acted upon.

 

It seems that advance requests for an extra National Guard presence (including from Sund himself) were denied and even calls for extra help were also delayed on the day, after the trouble had already started.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-capitol-police-chief-sounds-alarm-jan-6-cover-1817365

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It seems that there have been a few warnings which have not been seriously considered before Jan.6.

However I fail to follow the coherence of your posts. On the one hand you claim that the assault was spontaneous and not planned, and on the other you stress that there have been warnings about a possible assault.

[Danderman123]

  On 12/26/2023 at 5:25 AM, nauseus said:

 

People have theorized in many ways about J6 and yours is just another version.

 

The breeching of the Capitol seemed to me to be an opportunity taken by the troublemakers, once they saw how weak the security was. These troublemakers were probably more surprised about being able to gain entry than the limited Capitol Police Forces available on the day. And there are plenty more theories about why that was!  

 

See if you can find what Steven Sund had to say about it.

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Can you explain why so many of the J6 insurrectionists brought megaphones and weapons to the Capitol?

[Danderman123]

  On 12/26/2023 at 7:11 AM, JensenZ said:

Talk about a ridiculous effort to apologize for Biden's deficient mental state.  Everyone can see it. No gerontologists are required here as I did not bring up his age. Some people are quite capable at his age. It is well documented that he doesn't do much and spends more time on vacation and resting (by far) than any of his predecessors. I'm sure you're quite aware he is a puppet on a string, being carefully handled by his "team".

 

Do you have any apologies for Biden not submitting to a cognitive test this year? I'd love to hear your excuse for that.

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Biden is pretty much the same as he was 10 years ago.

 

On the other hand, Trump is in decline, per Megan Kelly.

[Dan O]

  On 12/26/2023 at 5:25 AM, nauseus said:

 

People have theorized in many ways about J6 and yours is just another version.

 

The breeching of the Capitol seemed to me to be an opportunity taken by the troublemakers, once they saw how weak the security was. These troublemakers were probably more surprised about being able to gain entry than the limited Capitol Police Forces available on the day. And there are plenty more theories about why that was!  

 

See if you can find what Steven Sund had to say about it.

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You really don't know what your talking about. Theres plenty of facts about what happened,  not just therories as you like to claim.. Keep reading and you might get the real picture. 

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 8:25 AM, candide said:

It seems that there have been a few warnings which have not been seriously considered before Jan.6.

However I fail to follow the coherence of your posts. On the one hand you claim that the assault was spontaneous and not planned, and on the other you stress that there have been warnings about a possible assault.

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Previous claims suggested that it was planned by Trump. That is different. It wasn't. 

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 9:22 AM, Dan O said:

You really don't know what your talking about. Theres plenty of facts about what happened,  not just therories as you like to claim.. Keep reading and you might get the real picture. 

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If you looked at what Sund said then you just ignored it.

 

Where are your "plenty of facts?

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 8:46 AM, Danderman123 said:

Can you explain why so many of the J6 insurrectionists brought megaphones and weapons to the Capitol?

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They brought megaphones to badger the police into submission.

 

How many guns were found?

[Danderman123]

  On 12/26/2023 at 9:27 AM, nauseus said:

 

They brought megaphones to badger the police into submission.

 

How many guns were found?

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How did they know to bring megaphones in the first place?

 

It's almost as if they knew there was going to be an attack on the Capitol.

[candide]

  On 12/26/2023 at 9:23 AM, nauseus said:

 

Previous claims suggested that it was planned by Trump. That is different. It wasn't. 

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Well, well.... 

Jan. 6 Rally Organizers Lied About Plan to March to the Capitol, Report Finds

Women for America First, which planned the rally on the Ellipse, knew of President Donald J. Trump’s plans to have his supporters march to the Capitol but repeatedly denied it to federal permitting officials.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/18/us/politics/jan-6-capitol-rally-report.html

 

A White House liaison to the rally organizers sent a text message on Jan. 3 to Women for America First regarding a demonstration at the Ellipse. “POTUS expectations are intimate and then send everyone over to the Capitol,” the message said, according to the report.

Katrina Pierson, a Trump spokeswoman, had sent an email on Jan. 2, 2021, with nearly identical language.

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On Jan. 4, Kylie Jane Kremer wrote in a text message: “POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol.” She added: “It can also not get out about the march because I will be in trouble with the National Park Service and all the agencies, but POTUS is going to just call for it ‘unexpectedly.’”

[Dan O]

  On 12/26/2023 at 7:52 AM, nauseus said:

 

Steven Sund implies that intelligence, with warnings, did exist and were available pre J6 but they were not acted upon.

 

It seems that advance requests for an extra National Guard presence (including from Sund himself) were denied and even calls for extra help were also delayed on the day, after the trouble had already started.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-capitol-police-chief-sounds-alarm-jan-6-cover-1817365

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So much for your claim that trumps 1 sentence in his speech calling for a peaceful protest had any effect after stirring up the crowd or was even heard 

[Danderman123]

  On 12/26/2023 at 5:25 AM, nauseus said:

 

People have theorized in many ways about J6 and yours is just another version.

 

The breeching of the Capitol seemed to me to be an opportunity taken by the troublemakers, once they saw how weak the security was. These troublemakers were probably more surprised about being able to gain entry than the limited Capitol Police Forces available on the day. And there are plenty more theories about why that was!  

 

See if you can find what Steven Sund had to say about it.

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Note that MAGA calls these troublemakers "political prisoners". It seems that you agree that those who provoked the crowd should have received long prison sentences.

 

As I have posted before, there really has not been a lot said about the link between the White House and the troublemakers. Some has been posted here, but so far, its not widely publicized - yet.

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  On 12/26/2023 at 7:52 AM, nauseus said:

 

Steven Sund implies that intelligence, with warnings, did exist and were available pre J6 but they were not acted upon.

 

It seems that advance requests for an extra National Guard presence (including from Sund himself) were denied and even calls for extra help were also delayed on the day, after the trouble had already started.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-capitol-police-chief-sounds-alarm-jan-6-cover-1817365

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You mean this Steven Sund?

He says in the book that former President Donald J. Trump behaved irresponsibly when he fired up a crowd, directed it to the Capitol and watched the violence for hours without trying to intervene. 

https://archive.ph/QYSvo

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/us/politics/steven-sund-jan-6-attack.html

Or is it some other Steven Sund you're referring to? It's true Sund blamed others but Trump didn't escape his criticism. So even if Sund's version of events was accurate, how does that absolve Trump?

 

[ozimoron]

  On 12/26/2023 at 8:46 AM, Danderman123 said:

Can you explain why so many of the J6 insurrectionists brought megaphones and weapons to the Capitol?

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I thought they mostly brought cable ties, mace and poles. And the gallows of course.

[Danderman123]

  On 12/26/2023 at 9:27 AM, nauseus said:

 

 

 

How many guns were found?

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Court documents, video evidence and news coverage directly contradict this characterization. Several rioters had firearms and dozens more wielded knives, bats and other real and makeshift weapons.

 

Why would anyone bring weapons to a Trump speech?

 

Unless they knew in advance that there would be an attack on the Capitol to stop Mike Pence from presiding over the vote certification.

 

I understand this is a difficult concept for a follower of the Orange Jesus to comprehend. 

[Dan O]

  On 12/26/2023 at 9:25 AM, nauseus said:

 

If you looked at what Sund said then you just ignored it.

 

Where are your "plenty of facts?

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I never said I ignored anything so keep your comments accurate.. Try reading up on the trials and convictions of the people involved in the insurrection. They were not just a few troublemakers involved that found lacks security as you stated. Several group even got guided tours of tge capital by gop staffers ahead of time. There were organized group, Proud boys, oath keepers and a number of other groups.   Its all out there on the internet.   since your so found of googling and cherry picking your info im sure you can find it. 

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 9:55 AM, Dan O said:

So much for your claim that trumps 1 sentence in his speech calling for a peaceful protest had any effect after stirring up the crowd or was even heard 

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You obviously have not been paying attention. I made no such claim about effect.

 

The loons at the Capitol could not hear Trump anyway.

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 10:38 AM, Danderman123 said:

Note that MAGA calls these troublemakers "political prisoners". It seems that you agree that those who provoked the crowd should have received long prison sentences.

 

As I have posted before, there really has not been a lot said about the link between the White House and the troublemakers. Some has been posted here, but so far, its not widely publicized - yet.

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Note I did not say anything about prison sentences.

 

I'm sure there's a lot not widely publicized - yet.

 

Who is MAGA?

[ozimoron]

  On 12/26/2023 at 2:14 PM, nauseus said:

 

You obviously have not been paying attention. I made no such claim about effect.

 

The loons at the Capitol could not hear Trump anyway.

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Many marched there. Many were convicted of conspiracy. That means not actually spur of the moment.

[scottiejohn]

  On 12/26/2023 at 2:18 PM, nauseus said:

Who is MAGA?

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One of your so called "Gods" or person you seem to worship!

You also appear to be one of his disciples!

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 12:11 PM, placeholder said:

You mean this Steven Sund?

He says in the book that former President Donald J. Trump behaved irresponsibly when he fired up a crowd, directed it to the Capitol and watched the violence for hours without trying to intervene. 

https://archive.ph/QYSvo

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/03/us/politics/steven-sund-jan-6-attack.html

Or is it some other Steven Sund you're referring to? It's true Sund blamed others but Trump didn't escape his criticism. So even if Sund's version of events was accurate, how does that absolve Trump?

 

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Yep. I can't check the text of the book but I can see errors even in this short piece - Trump did not call anyone to violence or criminal activity - that rubbish had already been started by the lunatics at the Capitol before Trump had finished speaking. 

[ozimoron]

“If presidents had absolute immunity, Jim, presidential elections would become a stampede for the criminally minded so they can get to the Oval Office,” Eisen said. “It’s not just election overturned. Where would it stop? They could do bank robberies, kidnappings, murders. That is inimical to American law.” 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4376404-cnn-anchor-raises-nixon-pardon-in-questioning-trump-immunity-defense/

[nauseus]

  On 12/26/2023 at 2:22 PM, ozimoron said:

 

Many marched there. Many were convicted of conspiracy. That means not actually spur of the moment.

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Most of the people from the Ellipse arrived at the Capitol, later, after the breech.

 

Any convictions of the truly guilty are fine by me.

 

Convictions were for a variety of crimes but very few for actual conspiracy.

[ozimoron]

The sickos in our society.

 

Despite two recounts (each costing $600,000) in Georgia, supervised by Republican election officials, that validated the original results; more than 60 unsuccessful court challenges in battleground states; a $787 million settlement by Fox News for groundless on-air claims about Dominion Systems voting machines; and a pending Smartmatic defamation suit alleging over $2 billion in financial losses, the former president continues to issue constant diatribes about “the rigged” and “stolen” election.

 

He threatens judges, prosecutors and political opponents, and insists that in Georgia tens of thousands of votes were cast by dead people, individuals who had moved out of the state, or sold their mail-in ballots to Democratic “harvesters” for $10 apiece.

 

Nonetheless, Trump is the presumptive favorite to receive the GOP nomination for president.

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4374655-the-elephant-in-the-giuliani-defamation-courtroom/