Popular Post JeffersLos Posted December 29, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2023 Did they weld the top green and yellow rear sections on themselves to get more money? Wasn't the boat that sank and killed all the Chinese in Phuket a few years ago built in some unlicensed guy's backyard? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: Did they weld the top green and yellow rear sections on themselves to get more money? Wasn't the boat that sank and killed all the Chinese in Phuket a few years ago built in some unlicensed guy's backyard? No. Built substandard in a machine shop. There was a well published case involving foreigners building boats in a backyard who were found to be breaching immigration work rules. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Bday Prang said: The fact that some of these ships remain upright is astonishing but presumably they've all been properly computer designed and scale models have been tested in wave tanks, and certain operating limits established etc etc. That is not the case with these Thai tourboats Cruise ships have a very low center of gravity. All the weight is in the steel hull, engines, tanks, etc. below the waterline, complemented by ballast. Upper decks are built of lightweight materials. Edited December 29, 2023 by Old Croc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 34 minutes ago, JeffersLos said: Wasn't the boat that sank and killed all the Chinese in Phuket a few years ago built in some unlicensed guy's backyard? They are nearly all built like that, there are few if any regulations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, Old Croc said: Cruise ships have a very low center of gravity. All the weight is in the steel hull, tanks, etc. below the waterline, complemented by ballast. Upper decks are built of lightweight materials. which is not the case with all the wooden boats working in the tourist hotspots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bday Prang Posted December 29, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, Old Croc said: There was a well published case involving foreigners building boats in a backyard who were found to be breaching immigration work rules And that is their only concern, lack of work permits 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, dinsdale said: Missing British artist Millie Young is 'believed to be trapped inside' sunken tour vessel that is now 180ft beneath the waves after capsizing off Thailand She is not trapped, her body is. Not difficult to say "The body of missing British artist Millie Young is 'believed to be trapped inside' sunken tour vessel that is now 180ft beneath the waves after capsizing off Thailand". Very poorly witten headline from I suggest an under educated person. Yes, very poorly WITTEN. Edited December 29, 2023 by KannikaP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: which is not the case with all the wooden boats working in the tourist hotspots You expressed astonishment that cruise ships don't tip over because they seem unbalanced. Just trying to help. Wooden boats also need ballast to prevent capsizing, although building, maintenance and operating standards can be suspect here. Water ingress would be the main cause of instability. From the op, this astonished me! "Songtan explained how the ship was forced to stop en route as 'the waves were so strong'. Waves 'more than three metres high' slapped against the side of the ship, with too much being taken on for the waste water pump to remove. " Edited December 29, 2023 by Old Croc 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bday Prang Posted December 29, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Old Croc said: You expressed astonishment that cruise ships don't tip over because they seem unbalanced. Just trying to help. Wooden boats also need ballast to prevent capsizing, although building and maintenance standards can be suspect. Water ingress would be the main cause of instability. From the op, this astonished me! "Songtan explained how the ship was forced to stop en route as 'the waves were so strong'. Waves 'more than three metres high' slapped against the side of the ship, with too much being taken on for the waste water pump to remove. " Indeed a boat of that type would have little chance in waves of over 3m in height, Stopping the boat , if that is what they actually did, would be the height of insanity, as it would mimic the the effects of engine failure which is the worst thing that could happen in rough seas. Its a pity the engines didn't fail before they set off. Water ingress would of course be a problem, most of these boats rely on a tiny bilge pump, which are only designed to remove miniscule amounts of daily expected water ingress, very few have a pump capable of dealing with the amounts of water that would be generated from the conditions described I have some experience in these matters , around 15 years ago , I and a (now ex) friend had a tour boat business operating out of huahin, didn't actually make any money probably due to trying to do things "right" but it was a great experience, however eventually nerves got the better of me and after about 5 years I sold out , Knowing what I know as a result of my experiences, I would never set foot on any tour boat in Thailand under any circumstances. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Old Croc Posted December 29, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2023 I owned power boats for most of my adult life, fishing being a favored pastime. I'm from the western side of Australia where coastal sea conditions can be among the most treacherous anywhere. I sometimes wonder what I was thinking when younger by taking an 18-footer to fish the edge of the continental shelf out of sight of land, or by anchoring outside and close to a coral reef. While I always first checked forecasts, the weather can still catch you unaware. My biggest ever scare was from a set of king waves coming out of nowhere, starting to break in what I considered deep water, and nearly throwing us onto the reef. Looking down on rocks that were suddenly exposed was terrifying. I also wouldn't get on a crappy Thai boat in the open sea. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 A troll post has been removed Please see our Community Standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MarkyM3 Posted December 29, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2023 (edited) On 12/28/2023 at 6:04 AM, mr_lob said: She? You and the 8 people who left laughing emojis need a lobotomy. Wonder if you'd appreciate the same for your wives/gfs/daughters. Sick f**ks. Edited December 29, 2023 by MarkyM3 2 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 12/28/2023 at 6:48 PM, dinsdale said: Missing British artist Millie Young is 'believed to be trapped inside' sunken tour vessel that is now 180ft beneath the waves after capsizing off Thailand She is not trapped, her body is. Not difficult to say "The body of missing British artist Millie Young is 'believed to be trapped inside' sunken tour vessel that is now 180ft beneath the waves after capsizing off Thailand". Very poorly witten headline from I suggest an under educated person. More correctly, she is believed to have gone down with the boat that is now 180 ft....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Should have been pulled out by now, 180 feet isn't that deep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: Should have been pulled out by now, 180 feet isn't that deep Are you on-call to get it done? 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 On 12/28/2023 at 1:55 PM, brianthainess said: So they still haven't sent divers down to check TIT. I might have missed it but I don't think they've found it yet so is not possible to dive yet. If the depth estimate is correct then I think that's something that needs to be taken into account. Then there's the issue of bringing a probable non diver up from that depth and sadly it may be too late for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadSpottedDog Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 12/28/2023 at 1:55 PM, brianthainess said: So they still haven't sent divers down to check TIT. Well, this was back in December, so I think we all know the end result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I hope they rescue Millie soon and she makes a full recovery ... terrible ordeal to go through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Zioner Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 12/28/2023 at 2:30 PM, Chongalulu said: Put your scuba tank on then ,Brian, don't worry that 180 feet is below the depth limit for safe diving. And what's the hurry,do you think this is still a rescue situation? Thats 55 meters, a very reasonable dive in tropical waters. I went to that depth, on air, in the Geneva lake, but had to abort when both my regulators froze in 4 degrees Celsius. This won't happen in hot waters, so that dive needs just a bit of good planning. And with Heliox it would be a piece of cake anyhow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 21 minutes ago, steven100 said: I hope they rescue Millie soon and she makes a full recovery ... terrible ordeal to go through. oh dear ' I just read where this was back in December, I think it's now been too long since Millie went down with the ship. I doubt it as a rescue now, It's a recovery .... Millie's boat don't look very seaworthy ..... alot of steel and top heavy possibly ? were there life rafts ? life vests ? flares ? on board .... no one can last long at that depth ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttradit Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 12/28/2023 at 4:04 PM, Gandtee said: If she and the cook are trapped inside the sunken vessel let's hope that their removal will be more successful than the navy's attempt to recover those trapped in their ship that capsized due to rough seas. Steven Siegel I hope is the cook. He saved a whole ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 So I take it from reading here, and a Bing search on her name that there's been no status update? Or does Google have more than Bing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/12/2024 at 5:21 PM, Ben Zioner said: Thats 55 meters, a very reasonable dive in tropical waters. I went to that depth, on air, in the Geneva lake, but had to abort when both my regulators froze in 4 degrees Celsius. This won't happen in hot waters, so that dive needs just a bit of good planning. And with Heliox it would be a piece of cake anyhow. The BSAC limit is 50 metres and in all circles is considered very deep. You are also right on the border of oxygen toxicity. Not only would your bottom time be a not very useful 5 minutes but you would have to do extended decompression stops. Because you got away with it doesn’t make it safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Zioner Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Chongalulu said: The BSAC limit is 50 metres and in all circles is considered very deep. You are also right on the border of oxygen toxicity. Not only would your bottom time be a not very useful 5 minutes but you would have to do extended decompression stops. Because you got away with it doesn’t make it safe Just deep, not very deep, there is a famous wreck off La Ciotat, "Le Donator", where you reach the bow at forty at 40 meters, and every one proceeds through the holds to the propeller at 51 meters, dived it twice. Thousands of divers a year. So many that at my second dive the boat couldn't moor and we did our decompression drifting, but they picked us up in the right spot. There is also "Le Togo" which lies at 60 meters, which I didn't dive, but it is quite popular, and most people dived it on air, until the mixes became available for amateurs. But yes 50 meters in the lake gets a bit risky, as the regulators must cope with the cold, so does your body when wearing a wet suit, and it is pitch dark so panic can set in more easily, and .. kills. And we used to say "there aren't any good divers, only surviving divers". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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