Prince Andrew 'spent weeks' at Epstein home - witness

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

No apology and more drivel.

 

This thread is full of false accusations.

 

I hope it never happens to you. Although, then you will know how it feels.

If  I were the subject of a false accusation I would defend myself in court and have absolutely no problem giving testimony and denials under oath.

 

What I would not do is pay off anyone making false accusations, regardless of who’s money I had to hand to do so.

[youreavinalaff]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If  I were the subject of a false accusation I would defend myself in court and have absolutely no problem giving testimony and denials under oath.

 

What I would not do is pay off anyone making false accusations, regardless of who’s money I had to hand to do so.

Once again, you twist and turn to meet your own agenda.

 

I said " this thread" is full of false accusations. 

 

One does not go to court unless the accusations become an arrest and a charge. That is extremely unlikely to happen because a few idiots make things up on an internet forum, as can be seen in the case of rape allegations against Prince Andrew on here.

 

[Bday Prang]

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It was quite a nationwide problem , its seemed to be quite prevalent in many U.K towns with a sizable population 

I know that but I couldnt be bothered finding links for the lazy disbelieving wokei

[Ralf001]

16 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

No. It isn’t.

 

Minor? I'm yet to see any proof that Andrew had sex, unconsensual sex, with a minor.

 

I thought she just gave him a wristy.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Once again, you twist and turn to meet your own agenda.

 

I said " this thread" is full of false accusations. 

 

One does not go to court unless the accusations become an arrest and a charge. That is extremely unlikely to happen because a few idiots make things up on an internet forum, as can be seen in the case of rape allegations against Prince Andrew on here.

 

Nonsense.

 

Firstly, you said “I hope it never happens to you” now you add ‘this thread’ is full of also accusations.

 

Here’s news for you, false accusations of criminal behaviour in this thread are actionable in a both civil and criminal courts of law.

 

Secondly, the accusations of rape against the disgraced Prince Andrew are in the released court records, in the form of testimony under oath of Prince Andrew engaging in sex and group sex with minors. Sex with a minor is rape.  
 

I’ll leave you to explain what my agenda is.

[Bday Prang]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If  I were the subject of a false accusation I would defend myself in court and have absolutely no problem giving testimony and denials under oath.

Generally I would agree with that , but pedo accusations in particular carry a special stigma , "no smoke without fire" and all that, It would be impossible to remain untarnished to a certain degree,  (although Sir Cliff didn't do too badly)  The mistake Andrew made was leaving it too late and not keeping it private

[Chomper Higgot]

16 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

No. It isn’t.

 

Minor? I'm yet to see any proof that Andrew had sex, unconsensual sex, with a minor.

Sex with a minor is rape.

 

The allegations of Prince Andrew having sex and group sex with minors is sworn testimony within the court records.

Proof?

 

Maybe the MET needs to investigate these serious sworn allegations.

 

[ozimoron]

7 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

There is no difference between being accused of something you did and something you didn't do?

I'm sure Glynn Simmons would disagree with you 

 

I said there's no difference between attacking prince charming's detractors and defending prince charming.

[beautifulthailand99]

On 1/8/2024 at 4:11 PM, JonnyF said:

 

Raped? Trafficked? It's ridiculous. Her own father drove her to the airport.

 

Here she is, clearly kicking and screaming. Clearly distressed at having been paid lots of money to sleep with a handsome Prince (assuming it happened of course). And by her own admission 17 years old when the legal age in London is 16. It's all just another excuse to attack British royalty by Republicans and American leftists. What a disgusting thing to accuse someone of.  

 

You forgot to add well anyway the photo may well have been faked and he was on that day as he well remembers at Pizza Express in Woking. Do you perchance have a doffing cap or knee pads ?

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Generally I would agree with that , but pedo accusations in particular carry a special stigma , "no smoke without fire" and all that, It would be impossible to remain untarnished to a certain degree,  (although Sir Cliff didn't do too badly)  The mistake Andrew made was leaving it too late and not keeping it private

I don’t think anyone has accused Prince Andrew of being a pedophile.

 

Such an accusation would be even more reason to defend himself in court.

 

Agree, Sir Cliff did very well and is an example of why challenging false allegations is necessary.

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t think anyone has accused Prince Andrew of being a pedophile.

 

Such an accusation would be even more reason to defend himself in court.

 

Agree, Sir Cliff did very well and is an example of why challenging false allegations is necessary.

 

Cliff didn't beat the allegations by shutting up and and paying up, that's for sure.

 

[beautifulthailand99]

36 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

I thought she just gave him a wristy.

She alleges it was in a bath at the mews house where Ghislaine Maxwell sat in it wearing a Prince Andrew mask to suggest it was impossible. Probably one of the bizarrest pictures ever on the front of the Daily Telegraph.If you are having breakfast I apologise for the mind worm.

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You forgot to add well anyway the photo may well have been faked and he was on that day as he well remembers at Pizza Express in Woking. Do you perchance have a doffing cap or knee pads ?

 

I don't think it matters if the photo was real. As far as I am aware it is not illegal to have photos taken with 17 year olds but correct me if you are aware of such a law. 

 

 

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, ericthai said:

$12 Million???

 

Proves nothing other than he preferred not to sit through weeks of a trial in the kangaroo court of a banana republic.

 

Settling out of court is not an admission of guilt. I would have thought you would have known that. 

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Proves nothing other than he preferred not to sit through weeks of a trial in the kangaroo court of a banana republic.

Settling out of court is not an admission of guilt. I would have thought you would have known that. 

The payment was a big mistake, the wokes view any payments or apologies as an admission of guilt and will never stop.

Rolf was convicted because he wrote an apology to his accuser.

[JonnyF]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t think anyone has accused Prince Andrew of being a pedophile.

 

Plenty of people on this forum have.

 

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Such an accusation would be even more reason to defend himself in court.

 

Agree, Sir Cliff did very well and is an example of why challenging false allegations is necessary.

 

 

 

Just as Kevin Spacey did. There are so many examples of these false accusations that I'm amazed people still believe every single one of them before they are even proven. Or should I say, pretend to believe them so they have a stick with which to beat the British Royal Family. 

[JonnyF]

Just now, BritManToo said:

The payment was a big mistake, the wokes view any payments or apologies as an admission of guilt and will never stop.

Rolf was convicted because he wrote an apology to his accuser.

 

Yes it was a mistake. He should have gone to court seeing as there is absolutely no credible evidence against him he would have won (assuming a fair trial of course - many examples of miscarriages of justice). 

 

Although it was a mistake probably made for the right reasons (sparing his mother the ordeal in the final chapter of her life). 

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Just as Kevin Spacey did. There are so many examples of these false accusations that I'm amazed people still believe every single one of them before they are even proven. Or should I say, pretend to believe them so they have a stick with which to beat the British Royal Family. 

I think it's more to do with hating all other men, especially wealthy or famous men, rather than him being a royal.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I think it's more to do with hating all other men, especially wealthy or famous men, rather than him being a royal.

 

Yes, and of course white, hetero, British, priviliged men would be at the very top of that list. 

[NanLaew]

On 1/7/2024 at 10:24 PM, JonnyF said:

On 1/7/2024 at 10:21 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Minors may not consent to sex, they are by definition of law victims of statutory rape, they are not prostitutes.

 

 

 

She was 17 and the age of consent in the UK is 16.

 

No law was broken, even if he did sleep with her (which he denies and is completely unproven). 

 

You've got nothing. 

 

The only thing that's missing from that litany of obfuscation is the "she's not my type" defense of a certain, self-confessed pussy grabber.

[sammieuk1]

Very sweaty times for the bucket of lard, wait for the videos to hit pornhub then its pizzas all round 🤔

[JonnyF]

9 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

The only thing that's missing from that litany of obfuscation is the "she's not my type" defense of a certain, self-confessed pussy grabber.

 

Obfuscation? It's the law. If the age of consent is 16 and she is 17 then it's legal. No matter how much you hate the royals. 

[Ralf001]

4 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Very sweaty times for the bucket of lard, wait for the videos to hit pornhub then its pizzas all round 🤔

 

 

Pizza's and pornhub, great way to entertain oneself on a bleak Friday evening.

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Just as Kevin Spacey did. There are so many examples of these false accusations that I'm amazed people still believe every single one of them before they are even proven.

           The media coverage doesn't help, many people believe what they read in the papers,or online, especially when it suits them.  The anonymity which is afforded the victims, is not granted to the accused which inevitably sways peoples opinions, as they really only hear one side of the story,  Once people have made up their minds they are generally reluctant to change their opinion.   

           Sir cliff and Kevin Spacey have been fortunate to have been able to clear their names, but there will always be a lot of people who secretly consider them to have "got away with it"  How many would be genuinely comfortable employing them as a child minder. 

            On the other hand and somewhat bizarrely  Jimmy Saville suffered little damage to his reputation prior to his death, despite numerous allegations being made, why was it that he was able to garner such support , his "charity work"  or his connections, which included members of the royal family

   

       

[beautifulthailand99]

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I don't think it matters if the photo was real. As far as I am aware it is not illegal to have photos taken with 17 year olds but correct me if you are aware of such a law. 

 

 

It is illegal in the UK to have sex knowingly with trafficked people and the legal age for prostitution is 18 where the person of their own free will and is not controlled by another. It has been legally proved that both Epstein and Maxwell were heavily involved with trafficking minors for sex. VG has testified under oath that this happened to her. The photo now establishes a connection between her and Andrew a connection that he has said he doesn't remember and anyway I was at Pizza Express. I will repeat ad nauseum it would appear the FBI wants to interview him and he has in the past said he would. That's all we want,  you meanwhile continue to deflect with spurious bad faith asides seeking to obscure that salient point!

[beautifulthailand99]

26 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The payment was a big mistake, the wokes view any payments or apologies as an admission of guilt and will never stop.

Rolf was convicted because he wrote an apology to his accuser.

Crikey Rolf Harris was innocent vibes  here one thing I didn't think I would live to see on a public forum. An 8 year old girl who was a friend of his daughter lest we forget and proven in a court of law.

[proton]

27 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The payment was a big mistake, the wokes view any payments or apologies as an admission of guilt and will never stop.

Rolf was convicted because he wrote an apology to his accuser.

 

But who pays 12 million quid to somebody they claim they never even met? and Rolf wrote a letter to his victim who he abused over many years.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

It is illegal in the UK to have sex knowingly with trafficked people and the legal age for prostitution is 18 where the person of their own free will and is not controlled by another. It has been legally proved that both Epstein and Maxwell were heavily involved with trafficking minors for sex. VG has testified under oath that this happened to her. The photo now establishes a connection between her and Andrew a connection that he has said he doesn't remember and anyway I was at Pizza Express. I will repeat ad nauseum it would appear the FBI wants to interview him and he has in the past said he would. That's all we want,  you meanwhile continue to deflect with spurious bad faith asides seeking to obscure that salient point!

 

Purely circumstantial. There is no credible evidence against him.

 

You better hope some self confessed prostitute (and acquirer of girls for sex) doesn't accuse you of something one day, and everyone simply believes her with no credible evidence to back it up. I'm sure your tune would change if that happened. 

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

           The media coverage doesn't help, many people believe what they read in the papers,or online, especially when it suits them.  The anonymity which is afforded the victims, is not granted to the accused which inevitably sways peoples opinions, as they really only hear one side of the story,  Once people have made up their minds they are generally reluctant to change their opinion.   

           Sir cliff and Kevin Spacey have been fortunate to have been able to clear their names, but there will always be a lot of people who secretly consider them to have "got away with it"  How many would be genuinely comfortable employing them as a child minder. 

            On the other hand and somewhat bizarrely  Jimmy Saville suffered little damage to his reputation prior to his death, despite numerous allegations being made, why was it that he was able to garner such support , his "charity work"  or his connections, which included members of the royal family

   

       

 

I agree with most of that. Except the part where you somehow try to link the crimes of Saville to the Royal Family. It was primarily the BBC that covered up Savilles crimes but they have long had links to Paedophiles so it comes of no surprise that they would do such a thing. 

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Crikey Rolf Harris was innocent vibes  here one thing I didn't think I would live to see on a public forum. An 8 year old girl who was a friend of his daughter lest we forget and proven in a court of law.

I remember it as a teenage waitress .............