New Covid JN.1 Strain Sweeping Thailand

[CG1 Blue]

This scaremongering should have been made illegal by now.  Enough is enough! 

 

The global economy has lost trillions (or quadrillions?) due to Covid lockdowns and other measures taken by the authorities. It'll take years, maybe decades to recover.  

 

It would be almost impossible to calculate the number of deaths caused by lockdowns etc. Authorities are probably too scared to do that analysis. 

 

The Covid worshippers saw the measures as sacrificing economic activity and enjoyment to save lives. They really didn't think it through.

 

Economic catastrophes cause more deaths than a virus. That's not even taking into consideration the effects of scaremongering on mental health. 

[dinsdale]

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

A vaccine is no longer experimental once it has been formally approved by the jurisdiction country, as occurred around the world, including here in Thailand, with the original roll-out of the vaccines. In the U.S., the initial use of the vaccines was done under the established "Emergency Use Authorization" declaration, followed by formal approval:

 

First Pfizer:

FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine

Approval Signifies Key Achievement for Public Health

August 23, 2021

 

"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older."

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

And then Moderna shortly thereafter:

 

FDA Takes Key Action by Approving Second COVID-19 Vaccine

 

January 31, 2022

 

"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved a second COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine; the approved vaccine will be marketed as Spikevax for the prevention of COVID-19 in individuals 18 years of age and older."

 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-takes-key-action-approving-second-covid-19-vaccine

 

It's sad that you cannot see the other side of all this and continue to use conspiracy theory as some sort of be all and end all. Covid vaccines can kill you. This was a conspiracy theory. It is now fact. The vaccine will find it's way into body organs. Conspiracy theory now fact. Vaccines will not stop transmission. Conspiracy theory now fact. The list continues but what's the point.

[dinsdale]

Just now, CG1 Blue said:

This scaremongering should have been made illegal by now.  Enough is enough! 

 

The global economy has lost trillions (or quadrillions?) due to Covid lockdowns and other measures taken by the authorities. It'll take years, maybe decades to recover.  

 

It would be almost impossible to calculate the number of deaths caused by lockdowns etc. Authorities are probably too scared to do that analysis. 

 

The Covid worshippers saw the measures as sacrificing economic activity and enjoyment to save lives. They really didn't think it through.

 

Economic catastrophes cause more deaths than a virus. That's not even taking into consideration the effects of scaremongering on mental health. 

And big pharma has made billions and wants to make billions more.

[Bday Prang]

13 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The AZ vaccine was never approved or EUA'd in the U.S. in the first place, so there was nothing to withdraw there.

 

AZ was withdrawn in the U.K., because it had a very rare side effect involving blood clotting -- too rare to surface in AZ's clinical trials involving tens of thousands of people -- that began to surface after its subsequent widespread use in the U.K. and Europe. And that use was, as a result, pretty quickly suspended.

 

And as a result, now after 3 years and 12+ billion total COVID vaccine doses later, it's the mRNA vaccines that remain in predominant and widespread use, and with an establish track record of very rare side effects that are far outweighed by the risks from COVID, according to public health authorities around the world.

 

https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/icmra-statement-safety-covid-19-vaccines

 

 

 

 

so rare it was withdrawn Yeah right  and not that promptly either   You may remain convinced by what you are told I do not.  maybe I inherited my scepticism from my mother, who thankfully refused to take Thalidomide, which was also approved, and no doubt under a much longer timeframe as emergency protocols were not deemed necessary for morning sickness.  

[rattlesnake]

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Pfizer doesn't grant approval of its own vaccines. National governments do, and they are responsible for assessing the safety, risks and benefits of medical treatments such as vaccines.  And billions of doses later with Pfizer, the established track record of benefit is pretty good.

 

"Evidence from the more than 13 billions of vaccine doses [of all types] given worldwide shows that COVID-19 vaccines have a very good safety profile in all age groups. The benefits of the approved vaccines far outweigh the possible risks."

...

"As for all medicines, reports of medical events after COVID-19 vaccination (suspected side effects) are collected and continuously evaluated by the authorities. These evaluations show that in most cases the medical events were not caused by the vaccine."

...

"False and misleading information about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines on social media often exaggerates the frequency and severity of side effects. Misinformation also wrongly attributes unrelated medical events to the vaccines."

 

--International Coalition of Medicines Regulatory Authorities (ICMRA)

 

https://icmra.info/drupal/strategicinitiatives/vaccines/safety_statement

 

 

 

 

"Pfizer doesn't grant approval of its own vaccines. National governments do."

 

Exactly my point. National governments approve pharmaceutical products, so if billions end up being paid in settlements in compensation for all sorts of wrongdoings including false claims, what does a rational mind infer?

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

"Pfizer doesn't grant approval of its own vaccines. National governments do."

 

Exactly my point. National governments approve pharmaceutical products, so if billions end up being paid in settlements in compensation for all sorts of wrongdoings including false claims, what does a rational mind infer?

And big pharma funds the bodies that make such approavals.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

"Pfizer doesn't grant approval of its own vaccines. National governments do."

 

Exactly my point. National governments approve pharmaceutical products, so if billions end up being paid in settlements in compensation for all sorts of wrongdoings including false claims, what does a rational mind infer?

 

The example you cited above with Pfizer was many years back (almost 15 years ago) and primarily had to do with their marketing claims involving off-label uses for some drugs -- all of that having absolutely nothing to do with the established track record of COVID vaccines.

 

[Bday Prang]

11 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Pfizer doesn't grant approval of its own vaccines. National governments do, and they are responsible for assessing the safety, risks and benefits of medical treatments such as vaccines.  And billions of doses later with Pfizer, the established track record of benefit is pretty good.

 

 

 Pfizer and all the others, were  gifted governments  who did not have a clue what to do, and who had also fallen victim to their purposely self generated panic and desperation, so,  armed no doubt with some of the best medical sales people on the planet, coupled with a well known veracity for making as much money as possible and as a bonus  an immunity clause  were onto a winner from the start. they could have presented saline solution as a vaccine and it would have been approved.  Didn't they claim it had a 96% success rate, how did that stand up in reality.

          Once the powers that be said   "yes" nobody else  disagreed, and if it turned out to be wrong  they are unlikely to admit it   They were trying to give it to 6 month old babies for god's sake

[Bday Prang]

29 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

And big pharma has made billions and wants to make billions more.

little Pharma and plenty of others did very nicely out of it too  this thread being a fine example

Edited January 11 by Bday Prang

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

19 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Didn't they claim it had a 96% success rate, how did that stand up in reality.

 

In reality that claim stood up pretty well in reality for the vaccine's performance against the original COVID variant.

 

The fact that subsequent mutations of COVID later made the vaccine less effective in preventing infections doesn't change that.

 

Published online 2021 Dec 30.

 

Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine effectiveness against Sars-Cov-2 infection: Findings from a large observational study in Israel

 

"BNT162b2 was found effective for the total population group for infection, hospitalization and mortality, with adjusted VE of 93·0% (CI:92·6–93·4%), 93·4% (CI:91·9–94·7%) and 91·1% (CI:86·5–94·1%) respectively. VE for infection was lower for participants aged 75 and over, and for those with hypertension, diabetes and obesity.

 

This study strengthens the evidence that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination is effective in preventing infection, hospitalization and mortality.

...

"The results presented here measured vaccine effectiveness at a time when the British (alpha) variant was predominant in Israel. After implementing the national vaccination drive, infection rates dropped to very low levels (Leshem and Wilder-Smith, 2021), until the introduction of the delta variant in Israel."

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8717697/

 

 

Edited January 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rattlesnake]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The example you cited above with Pfizer was many years back (almost 15 years ago) and primarily had to do with their marketing claims involving off-label uses for some drugs -- all of that having absolutely nothing to do with the established track record of COVID vaccines.

 

 

It takes many years to establish that the medical establishment lied and endangered people for profit. A couple more examples below (there are dozens). Maybe that will help you put things into perspective and understand that getting the green light by the authorities (especially when hundreds of billions are at stake) is not proof of safety or reliability.

 

Pfizer Reaches $894M Painkiller Settlement

 

The world's biggest drugmaker said Friday it has agreements in principle to end more than 90 percent of personal injury lawsuits brought by people claiming the pills caused heart attacks, strokes or other harm.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pfizer-reaches-894m-painkiller-settlement/

 

Merck agrees to pay $4.85 billion in Vioxx settlement

 

Merck & Co has agreed to pay $4.85 billion to settle most of the claims that its painkiller Vioxx caused heart attacks and strokes in thousands of users, the drug maker said on Friday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL09297266/

 

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

In reality that claim stood up pretty well in reality for the vaccine's performance against the original COVID variant.

 

The fact that subsequent mutations of COVID later made the vaccine less effective in preventing infections doesn't change that.

 

Published online 2021 Dec 30.

 

Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine effectiveness against Sars-Cov-2 infection: Findings from a large observational study in Israel

 

"BNT162b2 was found effective for the total population group for infection, hospitalization and mortality, with adjusted VE of 93·0% (CI:92·6–93·4%), 93·4% (CI:91·9–94·7%) and 91·1% (CI:86·5–94·1%) respectively. VE for infection was lower for participants aged 75 and over, and for those with hypertension, diabetes and obesity.

This study strengthens the evidence that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination is effective in preventing infection, hospitalization and mortality."

...

"The results presented here measured vaccine effectiveness at a time when the British (alpha) variant was predominant in Israel. After implementing the national vaccination drive, infection rates dropped to very low levels (Leshem and Wilder-Smith, 2021), until the introduction of the delta variant in Israel."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8717697/

 

There are so many articles that push the narrative but the Orwellian nature of the last few years has made it difficult to find anything that goes against the narrative. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

24 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

but its only been 3 years,hardly long enough for an "established track record" for all we know every child born to a vaccinated parent could be  be sterile or cursed with some other condition   I'm sure even viagra  tested for longer than just 3 freakin years

 

The history of vaccines in general is that any major side effect have typically surfaced within very short time periods after vaccination, as occurred with the AZ vaccine, unlike the usage of some drugs where side effects have surfaced relatively long after. And now three years after the COVID vaccines rollout, we're long past that stage.

 

Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines

July 06, 2021

...

"But what makes vaccine experts such as Goepfert confident that COVID vaccines are safe in the long term? We have all seen billboards and TV infomercials from law firms seeking people harmed by diet drugs or acid-reflux medicines for class-action lawsuits....

 

"There are several reasons, actually. Vaccines, given in one- or two-shot doses, are very different from medicines that people take every day, potentially for years. And decades of vaccine history — plus data from more than a billion people who have received COVID vaccines starting last December — provide powerful proof that there is little chance that any new dangers will emerge from COVID vaccines."

 

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines

 

We're now up to 13+ billion COVID vaccine doses worldwide since the start of the pandemic, and nothing of the past three years of COVID vaccine use has contradicted the facts explained above.

 

 

Edited January 11 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Bday Prang]

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

It takes many years to establish that the medical establishment lied and endangered people for profit. A couple more examples below (there are dozens). Maybe that will help you put things into perspective and understand that getting the green light by the authorities (especially when hundreds of billions are at stake) is not proof of safety or reliability.

 

Pfizer Reaches $894M Painkiller Settlement

 

The world's biggest drugmaker said Friday it has agreements in principle to end more than 90 percent of personal injury lawsuits brought by people claiming the pills caused heart attacks, strokes or other harm.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pfizer-reaches-894m-painkiller-settlement/

 

Merck agrees to pay $4.85 billion in Vioxx settlement

 

Merck & Co has agreed to pay $4.85 billion to settle most of the claims that its painkiller Vioxx caused heart attacks and strokes in thousands of users, the drug maker said on Friday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL09297266/

 

Unless one worked for pfizer on the development or promotion  of the vaccine, or was actually part of the approval process or committee,( in which case they probably have immunity anyway)     How could, or  why would anybody refuse to accept the the vaccine may yet be proven to have significant negative side effects, why would anybody flatly refuse to accept current evidence, and how could anybody without the ability to see into the future be so incredibly sure of future developments of lack of them.  Its really quite astonishing

[Bday Prang]

29 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

And big pharma funds the bodies that make such approavals.

 

I bet the list of directors and shareholders makes interesting reading

[Bday Prang]

I might have misunderstood your last comment, apologies if i did, but you should have wrote somethimg

Edited January 11 by Bday Prang

[rattlesnake]

6 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Unless one worked for pfizer on the development or promotion  of the vaccine, or was actually part of the approval process or committee,( in which case they probably have immunity anyway)     How could, or  why would anybody refuse to accept the the vaccine may yet be proven to have significant negative side effects, why would anybody flatly refuse to accept current evidence, and how could anybody without the ability to see into the future be so incredibly sure of future developments of lack of them.  Its really quite astonishing

 

Stanley Milgram established a long time ago that people will obey authority without question, even if it is wrong. The means deployed for this operation were unprecedented and rationality went out the window.

Now the dust has settled, I am repeatedly observing that those who turned against me for refusing the jab are now avoiding the subject altogether. Pride and various degrees of denial prevent them from admitting that I was right.

[dinsdale]

"A 14-year-old Japanese girl died unexpectedly 2 days after receiving the third dose of the [Pfizer BioNTech] BNT1262b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. Autopsy findings showed congestive edema of the lungs, T-cell lymphocytic and macrophage infiltration in the lungs, pericardium, and myocardium of the left atria and left ventricle, liver, kidneys, stomach, duodenum, bladder, and diaphragm. Since there was no preceding infection, allergy, or drug toxicity exposure, the patient was diagnosed with post-vaccination pneumonia, myopericarditis, hepatitis, nephritis, gastroenteritis, cystitis, and myositis."

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1344622323000548

Edited January 12 by stats
shorted per forum fair use quoting rules

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I'm just trying to get over a cold. Very difficult to shake. As for sweeping through Thailand this is just an alarmist headline. Officially according to worldometer Jan 8 recorded 668 cases and 4 deaths and of course we don't know if died with or from or any comorbidity details. Air pollution is far more dangerous.

The last time I got covid I had two days of flu symptoms, two days of cold symptoms and then it was gone. My most recent cold lasted a week and I would have to say it was far more unpleasant. 

[Bday Prang]

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Stanley Milgram established a long time ago that people will obey authority without question, even if it is wrong. The means deployed for this operation were unprecedented and rationality went out the window.

Now the dust has settled, I am repeatedly observing that those who turned against me for refusing the jab are now avoiding the subject altogether. Pride and various degrees of denial prevent them from admitting that I was right.

a fine example of which would be the GT-200 detection device pantomime  which took place here about 20 years ago do you remember that ?  A real case of the emperors new clothes involving many of the elite here.  Once the top guy has spoken the others will comply

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

The last time I got covid I had two days of flu symptoms, two days of cold symptoms and then it was gone. My most recent cold lasted a week and I would have to say it was far more unpleasant. 

Yep. Me too. Covid at least 2 times and basically all over in a few days. Not so good for a couple of days although post viral fatigue hung around for a while. The cold I'm trying to kick I've had for over a week. Think it's just about gone and back it comes. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

14 hours ago, dinsdale said:

A 14-year-old Japanese girl died unexpectedly 2 days after receiving the third dose of the [Pfizer BioNTech] BNT1262b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1344622323000548

 

Heart problems from vaccines are extremely rare. Heart problems from COVID itself are not

Conspiracy theorists have been exaggerating the link between COVID vaccines and heart problems. Here are the facts

 

Published July 27, 2023

...

"Martinez also pointed out that COVID infections themselves are far more likely to cause heart problems than myocarditis caused by COVID vaccines, which is an extremely rare side effect.

...
The truth is that COVID infections are quite dangerous to the human heart. A study last year by the Department of Veterans Affairs found that people reinfected with COVID were twice as likely to either die or have a heart attack as people only infected once."

...

"Because nothing can be designed with 100 percent safety, it's true that vaccines can sometimes cause injuries — but the side effects of COVID vaccines are extremely rare and often manageable. On the other hand, the virus itself is far more often linked to numerous conditions from diabetes, schizophrenia, Parkinson's, the condition known as "long COVID" and of course, heart problems."

 

https://www.salon.com/2023/07/27/heart-problems-from-vaccines-are-extremely-rare-heart-problems-from-itself-are-not/

 

 

[amexpat]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Time to crank up the panic levels and keep the people afraid, keep them very afraid. Personally I'm more worried about catching a cold or a flu than the latest variant of an endemic virus. 

Why keep people very afraid? 

[QuantumQuandry]

7 minutes ago, amexpat said:

Why keep people very afraid? 

 

Irony is when you fear-monger about people fear-mongering.

[Bday Prang]

28 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The history of vaccines in general is that any major side effect have typically surfaced within very short time periods after vaccination, as occurred with the AZ vaccine, unlike the usage of some drugs where side effects have surfaced relatively long after. And now three years after the COVID vaccines rollout, we're long past that stage.

 

Three things to know about the long-term side effects of COVID vaccines

July 06, 2021

...

"But what makes vaccine experts such as Goepfert confident that COVID vaccines are safe in the long term? We have all seen billboards and TV infomercials from law firms seeking people harmed by diet drugs or acid-reflux medicines for class-action lawsuits....

 

"There are several reasons, actually. Vaccines, given in one- or two-shot doses, are very different from medicines that people take every day, potentially for years. And decades of vaccine history — plus data from more than a billion people who have received COVID vaccines starting last December — provide powerful proof that there is little chance that any new dangers will emerge from COVID vaccines."

 

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines

 

We're now up to 13+ billion COVID vaccine doses worldwide since the start of the pandemic, and nothing of the past three years of COVID vaccine use has contradicted the facts explained above.

 

 

So its all down to,    " typicality", past performance of "similar" products and the confidence of a guy with a german sounding name  I always assumed there would be a bit more involved considering the worldwide vaccination intentions

 

It didn't already exist, it was a new drug, mixture , recipe whatever you  want to call it  hardly time even for short term results , like i said side effects like sterilisation won't be surfacing for at least 15 years.   you cannot possibly be certain  or do you know more than your letting on maybe none the jabbed will be here in 15 tears

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Heart problems from vaccines are extremely rare. Heart problems from COVID itself are not

Conspiracy theorists have been exaggerating the link between COVID vaccines and heart problems. Here are the facts

Published July 27, 2023

...

"Martinez also pointed out that COVID infections themselves are far more likely to cause heart problems than myocarditis caused by COVID vaccines, which is an extremely rare side effect.

...
The truth is that COVID infections are quite dangerous to the human heart. A study last year by the Department of Veterans Affairs found that people reinfected with COVID were twice as likely to either die or have a heart attack as people only infected once."

...

"Because nothing can be designed with 100 percent safety, it's true that vaccines can sometimes cause injuries — but the side effects of COVID vaccines are extremely rare and often manageable. On the other hand, the virus itself is far more often linked to numerous conditions from diabetes, schizophrenia, Parkinson's, the condition known as "long COVID" and of course, heart problems."

 

https://www.salon.com/2023/07/27/heart-problems-from-vaccines-are-extremely-rare-heart-problems-from-itself-are-not/

 

 

 

 

The article is clearly about post vaccination death. Your attempts at deflection are very predicable. Why don't you address the fact that this poor young girl had multiple organs affected? As for it being rare is that an excuse for people dying?

[Bday Prang]

Just now, QuantumQuandry said:

 

Irony is when you fear-monger about people fear-mongering.

gullibility being when you believe everything you are told without question

[QuantumQuandry]

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

gullibility being when you believe everything you are told without question

 

Right, especially everything you hear on YouTube.

[Bday Prang]

2 minutes ago, QuantumQuandry said:

 

Right, especially everything you hear on YouTube.

indeed   Except most clips contradicting the narrative were and continue to be removed    so that's backfired on you,    hasn't it    

[dinsdale]

16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Heart problems from vaccines are extremely rare. Heart problems from COVID itself are not

Conspiracy theorists have been exaggerating the link between COVID vaccines and heart problems. Here are the facts

Published July 27, 2023

...

"Martinez also pointed out that COVID infections themselves are far more likely to cause heart problems than myocarditis caused by COVID vaccines, which is an extremely rare side effect.

...
The truth is that COVID infections are quite dangerous to the human heart. A study last year by the Department of Veterans Affairs found that people reinfected with COVID were twice as likely to either die or have a heart attack as people only infected once."

...

"Because nothing can be designed with 100 percent safety, it's true that vaccines can sometimes cause injuries — but the side effects of COVID vaccines are extremely rare and often manageable. On the other hand, the virus itself is far more often linked to numerous conditions from diabetes, schizophrenia, Parkinson's, the condition known as "long COVID" and of course, heart problems."

 

https://www.salon.com/2023/07/27/heart-problems-from-vaccines-are-extremely-rare-heart-problems-from-itself-are-not/

 

 

 

 

www.salon.com. Fantastic source on the Biden side of the fence. Well done.

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