Misunderstanding over actual size of lithium deposits found in Thailand

[webfact]

 

The Department of Primary Industries and Mines has explained that there appears to be a misunderstanding that two major lithium deposits in Phang-nga province have been found to contain 14.8 million tonnes of lithium, making Thailand the world’s third largest source of lithium, after Bolivia and Argentina.

 

The department clarified that, in fact, lepidolite, not lithium, has been found in pegmatite rocks at the two deposits, Ruangkiet and E-thum, and the lepidolite contains about 0.45% lithium, which is not much but rich enough to have commercial potential in the production of lithium-ion batteries for electric vehicles (EVs).

 

According to Geology.com, Lepidolite is a rare lithium-rich mica mineral which is usually pink, red or purple in colour. It is the most common lithium-bearing mineral and serves as a minor ore of lithium metal, with rubidium and caesium sometimes being by-products.

 

Full story: Thai PBS 2024-01-22

 

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[eisfeld]

So the real amount is about 0.3% of the amount of the deposits that Bolivia is producing from and not even enough to cover the need for EV batteries for cars in Thailand itself. Again a "misunderstanding", why do these happen so frequently?

[still kicking]

9 minutes ago, eisfeld said:

So the real amount is about 0.3% of the amount of the deposits that Bolivia is producing from and not even enough to cover the need for EV batteries for cars in Thailand itself. Again a "misunderstanding", why do these happen so frequently?

TIT

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, eisfeld said:

So the real amount is about 0.3% of the amount of the deposits that Bolivia is producing from and not even enough to cover the need for EV batteries for cars in Thailand itself. Again a "misunderstanding", why do these happen so frequently?

People speak before they know the facts.

Talking of EV's during the last year thousands of people in northern Europe and America jumped on the EV bandwagon.

Now winter has set-in thousands of EV's are breaking down due to cold winter temperatures.

Lots of electrical issues, cars that won't even start, and mileages that are well below predictions due to batteries fading out in the low temps.

 

[jacko45k]

Just now, hotchilli said:

Lots of electrical issues, cars that won't even start, and mileages that are well below predictions due to batteries fading out in the low temps.

 

I heard the batteries are very hard to charge when it is very cold......sometimes I wonder if we get all the facts. I am still skeptical over these 'heat pumps' that are being forced on everyone, at great expense, to the buyer and the tax payer. 

[bamnutsak]

Deputy government spokeswoman Radklao Inthawong Suwankiri should resign.

 

She was the one pedaling this fake news.

 

 

Edited January 21 by bamnutsak

[Dcheech]

Morning coffee is up and smack into a "misunderstanding"  to start the new week. 

That was fast.                                                                                                                                                        

[stoner]

ahhh the good old bait n switch. 

[malathione]

And they are wrong again. Lepidolite ranges from mid 2% -mid 7% Li2O. The .45% quoted in the OP is simply because it takes into account the distribution of Lepidolite in the host rock as well. Anything under .5% is considered borderline economically feasible at best.

[ezzra]

I'm waiting for the next update where they will say that they neglected to add another zero the  in the 0.45% lithium to 0.045%...

[BritScot]

33 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I heard the batteries are very hard to charge when it is very cold......sometimes I wonder if we get all the facts. I am still skeptical over these 'heat pumps' that are being forced on everyone, at great expense, to the buyer and the tax payer. 

I have a heat pump and believe me they are rubbish and i hate it but love my house.  If you live in a country with tempretures less than 7° forget it. I'm paying £120 a week for electric during winter and when below 1° the tempreture can't get above 19° in my house (I know this because i have a smart meter and a thamometer next to my chair). My house is only 11 years old so we'll insulated.  Plus, last year I had no heating for 3 months due to unskilled engineers and lack of parts available (it was a cold Christmas) lucky I have alternative heating like oil radiators,  paraffin heater and calor gas.  I live in Scotland.  Run a mile from heatpumps.....

[Muhendis]

47 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Now winter has set-in thousands of EV's are breaking down due to cold winter temperatures.

Lots of electrical issues, cars that won't even start, and mileages that are well below predictions due to batteries fading out in the low temps.

This is interesting.

Please can you post your link.

As far as I am aware, lithium batteries are not bothered by lower temperatures and are well behaved down to +10°C.

Below that temperature they will become sluggish and will not perform so powerfully.

However they do warm up in use. So much So in fact that efforts to stop them getting too hot have to be included in the design of packs.

[Muhendis]

58 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

She was the one pedaling this fake news.

She was indeed peddling the news but I bet she was simply repeating her bosses comments.

Looking at her picture, I would recommend she stops wearing her pyjamas to work.

[hotchilli]

16 minutes ago, Muhendis said:

This is interesting.

Please can you post your link.

As far as I am aware, lithium batteries are not bothered by lower temperatures and are well behaved down to +10°C.

Below that temperature they will become sluggish and will not perform so powerfully.

However they do warm up in use. So much So in fact that efforts to stop them getting too hot have to be included in the design of packs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=EV+cars+breaking+doen+in+the+cold+climates&oq=EV+cars+breaking+doen+in+the+cold+climates&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i10i160.16645j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:de5d4322,vid:tzrUkgbVoro,st:0

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=EV+cars+breaking+doen+in+the+cold+climates&oq=EV+cars+breaking+doen+in+the+cold+climates&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i10i160.16645j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:1c5256ec,vid:6a63gj0TdXo,st:0

 

 

[jacko45k]

41 minutes ago, BritScot said:

I have a heat pump and believe me they are rubbish

Thanks, I really appreciate the feedback from someone with firsthand experiences.

[nobodysfriend]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

the lepidolite contains about 0.45% lithium

 

not worth extracting , I hope ...

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Now winter has set-in thousands of EV's are breaking down due to cold winter temperatures.

Lots of electrical issues, cars that won't even start, and mileages that are well below predictions due to batteries fading out in the low temps.

 

Winter this year in North East Thailand was bitter it got down into the high teens degrees C at one point, but strangely had no effect on my EV charging or my EV’s range.

[Skipalongcassidy]

36 minutes ago, Muhendis said:

This is interesting.

Please can you post your link.

As far as I am aware, lithium batteries are not bothered by lower temperatures and are well behaved down to +10°C.

Below that temperature they will become sluggish and will not perform so powerfully.

However they do warm up in use. So much So in fact that efforts to stop them getting too hot have to be included in the design of packs.

RATHER than have him post a link... why don't you just read any USA newspaper headline from recent days... it is front page.

[topt]

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Thanks, I really appreciate the feedback from someone with firsthand experiences.

That's 2 of us. Only reading yesterday in the Mail Online about cash back offers from a manufacturer on heat pumps. Good to hear an actual experience although Southern England is generally a little bit warmer than Scotland 

[Muhendis]

14 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

https://www.google.com/search?q=EV+cars+breaking+doen+in+the+cold+climates&oq=EV+cars+breaking+doen+in+the+cold+climates&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i10i160.16645j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:de5d4322,vid:tzrUkgbVoro,st:0

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=EV+cars+breaking+doen+in+the+cold+climates&oq=EV+cars+breaking+doen+in+the+cold+climates&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i10i160.16645j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:1c5256ec,vid:6a63gj0TdXo,st:0

 

 

Thanks @Hotchilli.

Yeah those temperatures are really cool.

 

"When attempting to charge a Lithium battery below 0°C / 32°F a chemical reaction referred to as “Lithium Plating” occurs. Lithium plating is caused by the charge current forcing the lithium ions to move at a faster reaction rate and accumulate on the surface of the anode."

 

https://www.redarcelectronics.com/us/resources/chargers-isolators-faqs/do-not-charge-lithium-battery-below-32-degrees/#:~:text=Lithium battery manufacturers often state,model%2C consult your manufacturer).

 

I had forgotten about this problem living in the tropics. 

 

[jacko45k]

6 minutes ago, topt said:

That's 2 of us. Only reading yesterday in the Mail Online about cash back offers from a manufacturer on heat pumps. Good to hear an actual experience although Southern England is generally a little bit warmer than Scotland 

Yes, I caught a report on Sky that left me feeling they were not the great solution! Many people were pushed to buy efficient gas boilers years ago, which are now scrap pile items. The true cost of these heat pumps surprised me, and the size of Government (ie taxpayer) subsidies. I haven't really got my head around how they work, nor how much power they need.  

Edited January 22 by jacko45k

[8OA8]

59 minutes ago, BritScot said:

I have a heat pump and believe me they are rubbish and i hate it but love my house.  If you live in a country with tempretures less than 7° forget it. I'm paying £120 a week for electric during winter and when below 1° the tempreture can't get above 19° in my house (I know this because i have a smart meter and a thamometer next to my chair). My house is only 11 years old so we'll insulated.  Plus, last year I had no heating for 3 months due to unskilled engineers and lack of parts available (it was a cold Christmas) lucky I have alternative heating like oil radiators,  paraffin heater and calor gas.  I live in Scotland.  Run a mile from heatpumps.....

Thanks for this very useful feedback. I've been dithering on whether to go for an oil boiler or the heat pump.

Its got to be new oil boiler

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, eisfeld said:

So the real amount is about 0.3% of the amount of the deposits that Bolivia is producing from and not even enough to cover the need for EV batteries for cars in Thailand itself. Again a "misunderstanding", why do these happen so frequently?

😃😃💰💰😃😃❗❗

[Grumpy one]

6 hours ago, eisfeld said:

So the real amount is about 0.3% of the amount of the deposits that Bolivia is producing from and not even enough to cover the need for EV batteries for cars in Thailand itself. Again a "misunderstanding", why do these happen so frequently?

Thailand the land of Misunderstanding 

[BenStark]

37 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Now winter has set-in thousands of EV's are breaking down due to cold winter temperatures.

Lots of electrical issues, cars that won't even start, and mileages that are well below predictions due to batteries fading out in the low temps.

 

Winter this year in North East Thailand was bitter it got down into the high teens degrees C at one point, but strangely had no effect on my EV charging or my EV’s range.

 

Nice attempt at deflecting, which of course was to expect from an EV fanboy.

 

You sure know that @hotchilli was talking about temperatures much lower than those in Thailand, which the largest part of the world experience right now.

 

Today there was also an article in the EU papers that insurance on EV's will increase, as it has already in the US. So this is coming to a place near you also in the future.

[mfd101]

Some things never change in Thailand. But usually the backtracking takes at least a week. They have excelled themselves this time - just 24 hours.

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

Winter this year in North East Thailand was bitter it got down into the high teens degrees C at one point, but strangely had no effect on my EV charging or my EV’s range

Try it when the temps go down to 0C or below...

[Bandersnatch]

31 minutes ago, BenStark said:

Nice attempt at deflecting, which of course was to expect from an EV fanboy.

 

Just putting this already deflected discussion into context.  This is a discussion about the discovery of Li in Thailand, which is a good thing, but it has been deflected by the EV haters into EVs are no good in the cold. Most of the posters clearly don’t even live in Thailand as there are more interested in talking about Heat Pumps now!

 

I actually live in Thailand and drive EVs in Thailand so just wanted to explain to our overseas visitors that temperature here does not effect range or charging, but maybe that’s because my EV has a heat pump :)

 

 

[Gottfrid]

And there the great opportunities just vanished like a squeezed little bug.

[Bandersnatch]

16 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Try it when the temps go down to 0C or below...

 

Ok will let you know when it does.