Trump says he would 'encourage' Russia to attack Nato allies who do not pay their bills

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, FroeyD said:

Maybe I would be Yes, many people are.

what makes you consider the facts I stated as “propaganda”💁🏼‍♂️

Is it simply the fact that you do not agree with them, are you claiming the examples I gave to be un factual??

They were wild over the top inflammatory exaggerations and misinformation as well. 

 

You could join this guy in Russia and maybe get free first haircut.

Putin welcomes you!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[johng]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You've picked your side.

And you yours ?

[johng]

12 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

aid in the form of weaponry comes directly from US arms manufacturers, benefiting US workers,

Wouldn't it be better to employ US workers in jobs that benefit humanity rather than destroying it ?

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, johng said:

And you yours ?

Yes of course.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, johng said:

Wouldn't it be better to employ US workers in jobs that benefit humanity rather than destroying it ?

Maybe ask a Rosie the Riveter if you find one still alive.

[FroeyD]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

They were wild over the top inflammatory exaggerations and misinformation as well. 

oh really?? 🤔🤔
 

San Francisco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMGJ71xiaek

 

Iraq war
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna22794451

 

sexualization of children

https://www.heritage.org/marriage-and-family/commentary/we-must-fight-the-sexualization-children-adults

 

https://foothilldragonpress.org/25919/opinion/c97-bp/americans-sexualize-children-unnecessarily/

 

Threatening African nations into accepting lgbtq

 

https://theconversation.com/us-talks-sanctions-against-uganda-after-a-harsh-anti-gay-law-but-criminalizing-same-sex-activities-has-become-a-political-tactic-globally-206352

https://scholarworks.arcadia.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1014&context=agsjournal

 

💁🏼‍♂️💁🏼‍♂️How you like that?

[Cory1848]

27 minutes ago, johng said:

Wouldn't it be better to employ US workers in jobs that benefit humanity rather than destroying it ?

Couldn’t agree more. The idea that humans spend so much effort building machines with no purpose other than to kill other humans is insane -- it’s literally insane. And we should strive for a world in which such industry no longer exists; alliances such as the EU and NATO, and their gradual expansion, are steps in the right direction. Unfortunately, we’re not there yet, but we do have an opportunity to contain one particularly bad situation (in Ukraine) before it spreads. And it *will* spread. You may not be interested in the war, but the war, if left unchecked, will eventually be very interested in you. As history teaches.

[riclag]

On 2/12/2024 at 8:56 PM, FroeyD said:

Yes 100% they have gone too far on so many subjects. but to give just one,…any country that pushes and spreads worldwide madness such as gender fluidity or lgbtq ideology deserves to be screwed and screwed hard.

(and I was raised in America practically from birth)

but, I still support Trump over Biden.

 

This is one of those “The Bottom line” comments ,thanks FroeyD

 

Do you want bidens America & new world order    menu ,

of DEI , illegal  border crossings .

Or do you want The guy they can’t have run the country again cause he will reverse all of what took place since biden came out of his basement.

 

Pay your share Nato countries or pay the price .

 

 

 

 

 

[thaicurious]

5 hours ago, scorecard said:

And I repeat, how can a con-man who has deliberately failed to pay hundreds of contractors and their workers, the trump uni staff and more be seen as having any right to make comments about Nato countries etc.

I don't know if it is a right, outside of free speech and the freedom to be a hypocrite--anyone's entitled to go through life as an idiot and I'm entitled to walk away from them--but what gives him the podium to threaten NATO and world stability is the Republican Party as it has evolved from a valid American political party to a Russian Big Lie political machine no longer rewarding even in money or jobs for the masses but assuring fealty among the ranks by threat and support of its electorate by all the trickeries of the con.

 

6 hours ago, johng said:

He is correct they should pay their share.

why is the USA the policeman of the world with close to 800 military basses around the globe,interfering all over the place  bring those troops home and protect your own borders not someone else's.

I'd have to study the issue to venture anything more than a wild guess and I'm pretty sure I'd not be privy to the most pertinent intel to debate strategies, # of bases, etc., but I'd imagine a lot of that is because America is intricately linked into world capitalism which could be disrupted by, say, Yemen Houthis or and Somalian pirates, etc. So it is less a projection of power for the sake of power and more a system of protecting the arteries of the flow of goods and services that make this world go 'round. And for that, America benefits by trade agreements etc. or don't you think American companies, workers, tax base will profit in later rebuilding Ukraine to bring those farmlands back online post Putin's illegal destructions upon them and those good people.

 

As to bring them home to protect our borders? Wow. Besides how bizarre that sounds to me, I would just point out that if you think todays migrations are overwhelming, you might consider that we've not seen nothin' yet. Because once oceans rise more as science shows they will within just a few decades (if we have that much time) and given the 8,000,000,000 people on the planet, many living in lower lying areas, there won't just be mass migrations of millions upon millions internationally, but even domestically. I suppose you'll then be screaming for America to bring back their troops to protect Colorado from the all the invading Floridians.

 

2 hours ago, candide said:

Two news which are not unrelated.

Funny, in a worrisome sort of way.

[Tug]

34 minutes ago, riclag said:

This is one of those “The Bottom line” comments ,thanks FroeyD

 

Do you want bidens America & new world order    menu ,

of DEI , illegal  border crossings .

Or do you want The guy they can’t have run the country again cause he will reverse all of what took place since biden came out of his basement.

 

Pay your share Nato countries or pay the price .

 

 

 

 

 

Or take the chance of Putin feeling enabled to make war on another nation at the price of a cheap sound bite to impress his simplistic base…???…humm…..or back the administration that has stood with allies revitalized nato stopped (helped)stop putin and his army of looting murdering animals for less than 5% of our defense budget kept most of the money here in replenishing the aged munitions used……hummm?? Yup I’m backing Joe Biden hands down absolutely no question about it!!

[xylophone]

@riclag said:

"Pay your share Nato countries or pay the price" . (Just like trump does???)

 

It's very evident that the trumpies are parroting the orange cult leader's words, because time and time again it's been pointed out on this thread and others, that trump has got it wrong with regards to this particular aspect of NATO. 

 

However that still won't stop him from being dumb, because he's naturally so, and he really expected Mexico to pay for "the wall" (silly boy), asked his aide to see if Greenland was for sale, has been bankrupted in double figures and here's the big laugh of them all – – failed to pay his dues to those to whom he owed money.

 

Worst of all, IMO, is threatening to allow Russia to do what it wanted to, to these so-called errant members, and this from a world leader – – you couldn't make this stuff up. 

 

Loony tunes stuff from a demented leader and an equally demented GOP.

 

AND NOW FOR SOME GOOD NEWS........A New York judge has rejected former President Donald Trump’s bid to throw out criminal charges against him stemming from a hush-money payment to a porn actor, setting a trial date for next month and clearing the way for the first prosecution of a former US president. 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

just a week or two ago the Republican House refused to consider a bill that would have imposed extremely strict border controls and provided foreign aid at the same time. Their reason: it is not politically expedient for Republicans to “protect the border” at this time.

Perhaps they should have not coupled border security to "foreign aid". That's two separate things. It's like they wanted the bill to fail.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

As for “giving billions to foreign countries,” yes, it’s aid, not a loan. But the aid in the form of weaponry comes directly from US arms manufacturers, benefiting US workers, so the money in a very real sense stays in the country.

Sooooo, you are OK that the US workers make loadsacash by providing the means to kill lotsapeople elsewhere?

I wonder if the people getting blown to bits with American bombs agree with you? You do realise that they are people, don't you? People with families and lives and dreams for the future, just like you.

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps they should have not coupled border security to "foreign aid". That's two separate things. It's like they wanted the bill to fail.

Who you referring as they ? It was a bipartisan bill negotiated and agreed upon by both sides 

[Jingthing]

41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps they should have not coupled border security to "foreign aid". That's two separate things. It's like they wanted the bill to fail.

OMG!

The republicans DEMANDED that.

Then they got it.

Then that sleazeball citizen Trump ordered weirdo far right extremist Christian white nationalist speaker Johnson to kill it because he wants to preserve the border crisis as a campaign issue.

Do you even follow the news?

Apparently not. 

[RayC]

40 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, you are OK that the US workers make loadsacash by providing the means to kill lotsapeople elsewhere?

I wonder if the people getting blown to bits with American bombs agree with you? You do realise that they are people, don't you? People with families and lives and dreams for the future, just like you.

 

So your objection to the bill isn't based on the US giving military aid to Ukraine per sec, but the US giving military aid to anyone? In fact, you appear to be against the US producing arms (period)?

 

Noble sentiments but do you really think it is likely that the US defence industry will be dismantled?

 

[Rimmer]

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[Cory1848]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, you are OK that the US workers make loadsacash by providing the means to kill lotsapeople elsewhere?

I wonder if the people getting blown to bits with American bombs agree with you? You do realise that they are people, don't you? People with families and lives and dreams for the future, just like you.

I talked about just that in another post that you may have missed; I'm not going to repeat myself to you.

[Cory1848]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps they should have not coupled border security to "foreign aid". That's two separate things. It's like they wanted the bill to fail.

I'm sorry, it's the Republican House members who are changing their tune every other day depending on Trump's instructions. The blow-by-blow is covered extensively in the news, so you might want to check your sources of information.

[Hanaguma]

I don't see what is so bad about putting some heat on the other NATO members to start pulling their weight and living up to their promises regarding defence spending.  It has been years and years, and they still want Uncle Sugar to pay the freight.  Well, perhaps they can do it themselves.  The combined GDP of the non-USA NATO countries is far larger than Russia- perhaps 10 times as much. There is no reason, other than laziness, that they cannot increase their military spending to a level where they can defend themselves. 

[candide]

7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't see what is so bad about putting some heat on the other NATO members to start pulling their weight and living up to their promises regarding defence spending.  It has been years and years, and they still want Uncle Sugar to pay the freight.  Well, perhaps they can do it themselves.  The combined GDP of the non-USA NATO countries is far larger than Russia- perhaps 10 times as much. There is no reason, other than laziness, that they cannot increase their military spending to a level where they can defend themselves. 

Right after a quite noticed Putin's interview.... what a coincidence! 😁

[LosLobo]

 

Alexei Navalny, Russia's opposition leader, is dead.  RIP!

 

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[RayC]

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I don't see what is so bad about putting some heat on the other NATO members to start pulling their weight and living up to their promises regarding defence spending.  It has been years and years, and they still want Uncle Sugar to pay the freight.  Well, perhaps they can do it themselves.  The combined GDP of the non-USA NATO countries is far larger than Russia- perhaps 10 times as much. There is no reason, other than laziness, that they cannot increase their military spending to a level where they can defend themselves. 

 

I broadly agree. I think you are correct to suggest that some European nations need to contribute much more, both financially and logistically, to ensure the security of Europe.

 

However, unfortunately, even if all the European NATO members were to meet their financial obligations tomorrow, it will be a long time before Europe is able to defend itself without US assistance.

 

https://riponsociety.org/article/nato-at-75/

[uttradit]

On 2/16/2024 at 12:56 PM, Jingthing said:

OMG!

The republicans DEMANDED that.

Then they got it.

Then that sleazeball citizen Trump ordered weirdo far right extremist Christian white nationalist speaker Johnson to kill it because he wants to preserve the border crisis as a campaign issue.

Do you even follow the news?

Apparently not. 

Wrong. Bad deal involving 4999 crossings a day plus $61bn to Ukraine.

 

[uttradit]

On 2/16/2024 at 3:49 PM, Cory1848 said:

I'm sorry, it's the Republican House members who are changing their tune every other day depending on Trump's instructions. The blow-by-blow is covered extensively in the news, so you might want to check your sources of information.

 

The two things were joined together. Both flawed.

[uttradit]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Then that sleazeball citizen Trump ordered weirdo far

Weirdo? Sleazball?

 

How does your life compare to these people sir?

 

You are cleanskin?

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

I'm sorry, it's the Republican House members who are changing their tune every other day depending on Trump's instructions. The blow-by-blow is covered extensively in the news, so you might want to check your sources of information.

If it results in a Biden loss in November, I'm OK with it.

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

I talked about just that in another post that you may have missed; I'm not going to repeat myself to you.

You could have quoted it in the same time as it took you to post that.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If it results in a Biden loss in November, I'm OK with it.

Why an non American westerner is so enthusiastic about the USA turning into an isolationist fascist dictatorship is somewhat mysterious. I get why Putin wants that though. 

[johng]

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

USA turning into an isolationist fascist dictatorship

It would be slightly better than the current war mongering fascist dictatorship ?