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On 2/17/2024 at 1:20 PM, uttradit said:

Must have been depressed. Basically suicide.

Apparently after he got poisoned he said if he gets killed he wants his supporters to rise up. Sounds very much like martyrism to me. Either way, senseless waste of his life. 

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3 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Apparently after he got poisoned he said if he gets killed he wants his supporters to rise up. Sounds very much like martyrism to me. Either way, senseless waste of his life. 

Much better to let the fascists have there way without a ripple of opposition or trouble.

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12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Pretty much throughout the 2Oth century. For some indispensable background information, I recommend reading Zbigniew Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard and Anthony Sutton's Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution.


 

You've got a thing about McDonald's, just like the red cap bloke you admire...................🥴

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On 2/17/2024 at 9:11 PM, candide said:

Anyone else has identified the MAGA instructions received about this issue? 😅

 

They cannot directly support Putin eliminating his main opponent, so they use indirect arguments: Navalny is stupid, he should have stayed outside Russia, he's corrupt, etc...

Obviously, instructions have been well received! 😀

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13 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Apparently after he got poisoned he said if he gets killed he wants his supporters to rise up. Sounds very much like martyrism to me. Either way, senseless waste of his life. 

Yes, and his supporters getting arrested now for laying down flowers 

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4 hours ago, heybruce said:

How do they stack up on a per capita basis?

 

Still significantly lower than G7 countries, but increasing fast nonetheless.

 

https://www.statista.com/chart/30641/gdp-per-capita-in-brics-and-g7-countries/

 

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/gdp-per-capita

 

Another important metric is the debt level:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-national-debt

 

To me, however, the most significant change brought about by BRICS is on a geopolitical and diplomatic level.

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4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Okay, the plan has been unveiled:

 

Weaken America so a multipolar world emerges, with Russia being one of the "poles".

 

How to weaken America? Support Trump. 

 

 

 

The military-industrial complex and high-level stakeholders will be weakened, certainly not the average person who has zero benefit in their tax dollars being spent on forever wars, nor in an open, unregulated market.

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1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Still significantly lower than G7 countries, but increasing fast nonetheless.

 

https://www.statista.com/chart/30641/gdp-per-capita-in-brics-and-g7-countries/

 

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/gdp-per-capita

 

Another important metric is the debt level:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-national-debt

 

To me, however, the most significant change brought about by BRICS is on a geopolitical and diplomatic level.

That is a much more intelligent response than I expected.  Thank you.

 

I agree the BRICS nations, plus their proposed additions, have potential,  However it is too soon to tell where this potential can go.  It remains to be seen if they are an organization with serious intent or a distraction with the goal to draw attention towards...,,many places, It depends on the current global environment. 

 

In short, interesting but remains to be seen if it's real

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1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

The military-industrial complex and high-level stakeholders will be weakened, certainly not the average person who has zero benefit in their tax dollars being spent on forever wars, nor in an open, unregulated market.

Ok, the "military-industrial complex" is a much loved scapegoat, but the time has come to ask, "What.....?"

 

I'm a reasonably well educated retired USAF officer with some training and an interest in this topic.  Could you explain what you mean by "military industrial complex"? 

 

Please use terms that a backwoods mill-town redneck with three STEM degrees and an interesting spectrum of life experiences could understand.

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2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Ok, the "military-industrial complex" is a much loved scapegoat, but the time has come to ask, "What.....?"

 

I'm a reasonably well educated retired USAF officer with some training and an interest in this topic.  Could you explain what you mean by "military industrial complex"? 

 

Please use terms that a backwoods mill-town redneck with three STEM degrees and an interesting spectrum of life experiences could understand.

 

The US government, as part of its defence activities, purchases equipment (uniforms, weapons, vehicles…) from private firms. These contracts are very lucrative as the US defence budget amounts to hundreds of billions of dollars. These private defence contractors, which are very close to the government through very influential lobbies, de facto have an incentive to influence foreign policy and encourage military interventions for financial gain. This is what is colloquially referred to as the military-industrial complex, the business of war for private financial profit, never in the interest of the nation.

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19 hours ago, charleskerins said:

Much better to let the fascists have there way without a ripple of opposition or trouble.

I never said that! He should've stayed away from Russia and led his fight from someplace else because he surely won't be doing anything from his grave.  So all the hard work he's put in and his life went to waste because his death achieved literally nothing. 

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On 2/18/2024 at 1:32 PM, Danderman123 said:

Interesting topic.  I had a shop teacher told us about how during WWII the Allies figured out the Germans had only one factory making bearings, and soon put it out of business.

 

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On 2/17/2024 at 6:25 AM, rabas said:

 

Somber truth:  Completely unrelated to the fact that Putin is terrified of going out like Gaddafi at the hands of his own people.

Somber truth: The invasion of Ukraine is pretty much the same as the illegal invasion of Iraq, a 'war of aggression'.

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1 hour ago, LosLobo said:
Industry Average Net Profit Margin
Financial Data & Stock Exchanges 28.2%
Banks - Regional 27.6%
Asset Management 24.3%
Credit Services 22.5%
Drug Manufacturers - General 18.6%
Farm & Heavy Construction Machinery 6.9%
Agricultural Inputs 6.5%
Auto Manufacturers 7.2%
Chemicals 5.4%
Aerospace & Defense 4.6%

 

Notice how the top 4 are in the business of dealing with money, and do not actually produce any tangible items, aside from money itself. 

 

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4 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

Notice how the top 4 are in the business of dealing with money, and do not actually produce any tangible items, aside from money itself. 

 

Correct, they are necessary service providers and not manufacturers, but your point is not clear.
 

Is your point that they are overpriced?

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13 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Still significantly lower than G7 countries, but increasing fast nonetheless.

 

https://www.statista.com/chart/30641/gdp-per-capita-in-brics-and-g7-countries/

 

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/gdp-per-capita

 

Another important metric is the debt level:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-national-debt

 

To me, however, the most significant change brought about by BRICS is on a geopolitical and diplomatic level.

I had a look at the Russia gdp/capita charts. It's interesting to note that the strong GDP/capita growth stopped after 2013. Actually it was lower in 2022 than in 2013.

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