Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: I'm not disputing that. The US is however the world's richest nation with the most advanced medicine. Trump has been credibly called out for contributing to deaths. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy More deaths have occurred since Biden took over and vaccines normally take 5 years to produce and if people are anti vaccine that's their choice. The US has a big obesity problem and covid largely killed obese and or the elderly. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dolf said: What criteria did they use? Was it objective data or subjective opinions? What makes these random people experts? Who are they? What have they achieved in life? If they are just random historians making subjective comments then their views are no better than a movie reviewer. A lot of my favourite films did not win an Oscar and plenty of boring films did. A question answered by a load of disconnected questions/statements does not an answer make! Especially since I did not ask you! Any chance of you allowing the person I asked the question of to provide a responsible and/or appropriate answer to the question? Edited February 20 by scottiejohn correct who I was answering to!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dolf said: The United States did not rank in the top 10 covid deaths per million https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ Those are countries that do not have the best healthcare system. US does have the best healthcare system in the world and yet had the most deaths among peer countries because of poor leadership. Edited February 20 by Eric Loh add word 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Eric Loh said: Those are countries that do not have the best healthcare system. US does have the best healthcare system in the world and yet had the most deaths among peer countries because of poor leadership. The US has a poor healthcare system which favours the wealthy. Most deaths were due to obesity, underlying conditions and age. The US did not rank in the top 10 for deaths per million. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rudi49jr Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, Dolf said: What criteria did they use? Was it objective data or subjective opinions? What makes these random people experts? Who are they? What have they achieved in life? If they are just random historians making subjective comments then their views are no better than a movie reviewer. A lot of my favourite films did not win an Oscar and plenty of boring films did. They are not random people, they are historians, from across the political spectrum, Democrats as well as Republicans. Even among just the Republican respondents, Trump was scored last. Does that tell you enough about how bad a president Trump was? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: A question answered by a load of disconnected questions/statements does not an answer make! Any chance of a responsible and/or appropriate answer that answers the question? Your response contains no appropriate information or any facts on how they decided this opinionated nonsense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, Dolf said: More deaths have occurred since Biden took over and vaccines normally take 5 years to produce and if people are anti vaccine that's their choice. The US has a big obesity problem and covid largely killed obese and or the elderly. What, exactly, did Biden do which caused unnecessary deaths? It is their choice, you are right. They made their choice following their personality politics and far more people in red states died than blue states. The Trump factor. You don't have to be antivax to vote for trump for all antivaxxers do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Just now, rudi49jr said: They are not random people, they are historians, from across the political spectrum, Democrats as well as Republicans. Even among just the Republican respondents, Trump was scored last. Does that tell you enough about how bad a president Trump was? It says a lot about their biases and nothing about actual objective processes. The opinions of historians means nothing. They don't even know how long humans have been on the planet. They don't know if god exists or not. They don't know much at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: What, exactly, did Biden do which caused unnecessary deaths? It is their choice, you are right. They made their choice following their personality politics and far more people in red states died than blue states. The Trump factor. You don't have to be antivax to vote for trump for all antivaxxers do. So you are just making a rant about Trump and ignoring the actual death toll. Makes your opinion just as pointless as these random historians. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Dolf said: What criteria did they use? Was it objective data or subjective opinions? What makes these random people experts? Who are they? What have they achieved in life? If they are just random historians making subjective comments then their views are no better than a movie reviewer. A lot of my favourite films did not win an Oscar and plenty of boring films did. Let me ask you something: if Trump had come in first place, would you still be asking the same questions? A simple yes or no answer will suffice. Edited February 20 by rudi49jr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dolf said: The US has a poor healthcare system which favours the wealthy. Most deaths were due to obesity, underlying conditions and age. The US did not rank in the top 10 for deaths per million. deleted. Wrong poster! Edited February 20 by scottiejohn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, Dolf said: Your response contains no appropriate information or any facts on how they decided this opinionated nonsense. Why are you jumping into a question which I have specifically asked of another poster who has not yet replied. Start your own topic or thread! Please do not try and drag me into your rantings! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, rudi49jr said: Let me ask you something: if Trump had come in first place, would you still be asking the same questions? A simple yes or no answer will suffice. These rankings are just complete nonsense. Impossible to compare across eras given how society changes so rapidly and all wars, economic downturns and other societal shifts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Just now, scottiejohn said: Why are you jumping into a question which I have specifically asked of another poster who has not yet replied. Start your own topic or thread! Please do not try and drag me into your rantings! You quoted me and made a posting which made no sense. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, Dolf said: The US has a poor healthcare system which favours the wealthy. Most deaths were due to obesity, underlying conditions and age. The US did not rank in the top 10 for deaths per million. Vaccines were offered free and the health system was mobilized to combat and save life from covid. Trump just need to lead but he failed with his mix messaging on vaccine and made deliberate efforts to undermine Covid response. That poor leadership underscored his ranking as the worst president. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dolf said: You quoted me and made a posting which made no sense. Poster's of only one day's standing normally take life gently until they have read themselves into the forums! Edited February 20 by scottiejohn 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Just now, Eric Loh said: Vaccines were offered free and the health system was mobilized to combat and save life from covid. Trump just need to lead but he failed with his mix messaging on vaccine and made deliberate efforts to undermine Covid response. That poor leadership underscored his ranking as the worst president. 12 countries had a higher covid death rate. Go point the finger at them. If you can't then you are just making an anti Trump rant with no accountability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketDog Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 6 hours ago, Hanaguma said: They ranked Biden above Reagan. They ranked Obama above Eisenhower and Clinton. Yeah, I'll trust this group. I guess they hated the 2% inflation, low gas prices, peace treaties, and elimination of ISIS. ############# If you are implying that the orange clown had anything to do with that you're badly deluded. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 5 minutes ago, Dolf said: These rankings are just complete nonsense. Impossible to compare across eras given how society changes so rapidly and all wars, economic downturns and other societal shifts. The ranking system was based on Presidential achievements, leadership qualities, failures and faults. Society changes and blah blah blah are not factors in their ranking method. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, Dolf said: 12 countries had a higher covid death rate. Go point the finger at them. If you can't then you are just making an anti Trump rant with no accountability. Those are the countries that dont have the same health care infrastructure as USA and also don't have the resources to purchase the vaccines promptly. Those are facts. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Eric Loh said: The ranking system was based on Presidential achievements, leadership qualities, failures and faults. Society changes and blah blah blah are not factors in their ranking method. So not on any objective factors which makes these worthless opinions from people trying to make a headline which is the modern way of news. Tabloid news. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Just now, Eric Loh said: Those are the countries that dont have the same health care infrastructure as USA and also don't have the resources to purchase the vaccines promptly. Those are facts. Not true at all. Several advanced nations with modern healthcare. Spain, Norway, Australia and Israel did worse than the United States. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 The United States does not rank in the top 10 for healthcare: https://www.william-russell.com/blog/countries-worlds-best-healthcare-systems/#top10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub2022 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I've got You Social Media, and Joe Biden is the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 6 minutes ago, Dolf said: So not on any objective factors which makes these worthless opinions from people trying to make a headline which is the modern way of news. Tabloid news. You can’t get more objectives than achievements, leadership qualities, failures and faults. Your argument is not sound. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Eric Loh said: You can’t get more objectives than achievements, leadership qualities, failures and faults. Your argument is not sound. All subjective statements. If you don't know the difference between subjective opinions and objective facts then your argument is not worth reading. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Top 5 and worst 5 https://www.heritage.org/american-founders/commentary/memorial-day-history-5-best-and-5-worst-us-presidents-ever Trump failed to make either list. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sirineou Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, Dolf said: Top 5 and worst 5 https://www.heritage.org/american-founders/commentary/memorial-day-history-5-best-and-5-worst-us-presidents-ever Trump failed to make either list. A loser even at the most conservative think tank. 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolf Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 16 minutes ago, pub2022 said: I've got You Social Media, and Joe Biden is the best. Both Biden and Trump are in my top 46. I like them both. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scorecard Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, BobBKK said: Really? Pol Pot. Hitler, Stalin, Bush, Obama? They all killed thousands; how many did Trump kill? I wont even mention Vlad the Impaler Obama killed thousands? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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