Shamima Begum: East London schoolgirl loses appeal against removal of UK citizenship

[youreavinalaff]

2 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

She probably ran away from home. Many teenagers do that. Where she got the money to fly and why she chose Syria instead of Weston-super-mare is a different question.

The weather? Syria is a lot warmer than Weston-super-mare. Especially at this time of year.

[transam]

6 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 

She probably ran away from home. Many teenagers do that. Where she got the money to fly and why she chose Syria instead of Weston-super-mare is a different question.

Perhaps one of the 3 was loaded, perhaps they had been chatting to ISIS Rambo's on Skype who financed stuff...

[josephbloggs]

I just watched this BBC documentary and interviews with her, her husband, intelligence agents and other people who know a hell of a lot more than anyone in this thread. You'll need a VPN to watch it. And sorry @transam there is no rogering of a 15 year old child in it so it might not be of interest to you.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001j079/the-shamima-begum-story

[FruitPudding]

24 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

 why she chose Syria instead of Weston-super-mare is a different question.

 

Maybe cos she's muslim

[transam]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I just watched this BBC documentary and interviews with her, her husband, intelligence agents and other people who know a hell of a lot more than anyone in this thread. You'll need a VPN to watch it. And sorry @transam there is no rogering of a 15 year old child in it so it might not be of interest to you.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001j079/the-shamima-begum-story

Why would I be..............?

[transam]

1 minute ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Maybe cos she's muslim

There are probably a zillion Muslims in WSM, but not murdering Muslims.......

[josephbloggs]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Why would I be..............?

You wouldn't because it would only interest someone who has an open mind and is interested in facts, not speculation or childish name throwing (rogering etc),

[FruitPudding]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

There are probably a zillion Muslims in WSM, but not murdering Muslims.......

 

Not following your logic

[transam]

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

You wouldn't because it would only interest someone who has an open mind and is interested in facts, not speculation or childish name throwing (rogering etc),

Oh, not interested in a bird that shacks up with murderers then, one after the other..............Riiiiight...

[transam]

3 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

 

Not following your logic

You probably wouldn't..........🥴

[josephbloggs]

6 hours ago, transam said:

Oh, not interested in a bird that shacks up with murderers then, one after the other..............Riiiiight...

Where are you getting this "one after the other" fantasy? She was married off to one Dutch member early on, they had three kids together (which all died from malnutrition and pneumonia as they literally had no food or care) and she only left him when she managed to escape and the caliphate fell. He was abusive and controlling - do you think she was just a party girl there sleeping around for fun? Watch the documentary (I know you won't).

For the record, if an adult decides to go off and join ISIS and fight then strip them of their citizenship. But she was a vulnerable 15 year old child who was recruited by a school friend, groomed, and went on the journey. Do I believe everything she says? No. Do I believe a child can be groomed, manipulated, and cajoled in to doing something they later regret? Absolutely!

Do I have basic human standards of decency towards children who were manipulated, who have lived in poverty, have had three children die, who have been living in a refugee camp for several years in atrocious conditions and are now rendered stateless? Yes. Do I believe a knee jerk populist decision by a right wing politician sparked by the mainstream gutter press is the right thing? Absolutely not. And people like you are the problem. No independent research, not interested in learning what happened, just keep repeating your fantasy of this 15 year old girl getting gladly "rogered".

A child made a mistake (albeit a big one). The government should have no arbitrary right to strip her of her citizenship. Let her come back to the UK and face trial in a court of law, and if guilty be punished appropriately. What is your problem with that? Leave out the childish rogering thing and perhaps try answering as an adult. Why can't a child who was groomed be given a trial in the UK? Why should a decision made as a child lead to being made stateless? Just use normal adult words, give it a go, I'm all ears.

 

[stevenl]

7 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Where are you getting this "one after the other" fantasy? She was married off to one Dutch member early on, they had three kids together (which all died from malnutrition and pneumonia as they literally had no food or care) and she only left him when she managed to escape and the caliphate fell. He was abusive and controlling - do you think she was just a party girl there sleeping around for fun? Watch the documentary (I know you won't).

For the record, if an adult decides to go off and join ISIS and fight then strip them of their citizenship. But she was a vulnerable 15 year old child who was recruited by a school friend, groomed, and went on the journey. Do I believe everything she says? No. Do I believe a child can be groomed, manipulated, and cajoled in to doing something they later regret? Absolutely!

Do I have basic human standards of decency towards children who were manipulated, who have lived in poverty, have had three children die, who have been living in a refugee camp for several years in atrocious conditions and are now rendered stateless? Yes. Do I believe a knee jerk populist decision by a right wing politician sparked by the mainstream gutter press is the right thing? Absolutely not. And people like you are the problem. No independent research, not interested in learning what happened, just keep repeating your fantasy of this 15 year old girl getting gladly "rogered".

A child made a mistake (albeit a big one). The government should have no arbitrary right to strip her of her citizenship. Let her come back to the UK and face trial in a court of law, and if guilty be punished appropriately. What is your problem with that? Leave out the childish rogering thing and perhaps try answering as an adult. Why can't a child who was groomed be given a trial in the UK? Why should a decision made as a child lead to being made stateless? Just use normal adult words, give it a go, I'm all ears.

 

"Leave out the childish rogering thing and perhaps try answering as an adult. "

That would require an adult thinking process.

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, FruitPudding said:

Yet even I think there is a case to be made in her defense here.

I don't. If making an example of her prevents even just one more child following in her footsteps it's worth it.

If IS had not lost would she be trying to get back?

[Bday Prang]

On 2/26/2024 at 6:15 AM, Cory1848 said:

Or, for a specifically British example, there’s always Colonel Reginald Dyer, who ordered his troops to fire on a peaceful crowd at Jallianwala Bagh in Amritsar in 1919, killing as many as 1,500.

And in the 1940's britain and germany threw thousands of tons of bombs at each other killing millions, but we don't spend our lives committing terrorist activities against each other!   you should stop calling people racist it makes you sound like a fragile student

[Chomper Higgot]

It seems she’s found the most surprising of allies:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/09/uk-is-members-in-syria-should-be-allowed-home-says-trump-counter-terror-pick

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It seems she’s found the most surprising of allies:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/09/uk-is-members-in-syria-should-be-allowed-home-says-trump-counter-terror-pick

 

  They refer to British citizens .

But didn't Shimina lose her British citizenship ?

So, its doesnt include her 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/28/2024 at 5:34 AM, josephbloggs said:

Why can't a child who was groomed be given a trial in the UK? Why should a decision made as a child lead to being made stateless? Just use normal adult words, give it a go, I'm all ears.

Worse things happened to more innocent children under ISIS. The world is not a playground for silly kids, and if it turns out badly for her she won't be alone in her misery.

 

If she is an example for other silly children to think twice before going off to support vile human beings, at least she will have achieved some good.

 

Why should she not be given a trial? Because, IMO, she isn't worth it. She wasn't conscripted, she wasn't kidnapped and trafficked out of the country, she left voluntarily and made her bed. Now she gets to lie in it.

 

If they want to give someone a trial, there's a few kiddy groomers at loose in the UK, so I'm led to believe. Give them a trial.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Worse things happened to more innocent children under ISIS. The world is not a playground for silly kids, and if it turns out badly for her she won't be alone in her misery.

 

If she is an example for other silly children to think twice before going off to support vile human beings, at least she will have achieved some good.

 

Why should she not be given a trial? Because, IMO, she isn't worth it. She wasn't conscripted, she wasn't kidnapped and trafficked out of the country, she left voluntarily and made her bed. Now she gets to lie in it.

 

If they want to give someone a trial, there's a few kiddy groomers at loose in the UK, so I'm led to believe. Give them a trial.

“No freeman shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or outlawed or exiled, or in any otherwise destroyed; nor will we pass upon him nor send upon him but by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will deny to no man, or delay, right or justice.”

 

magna carta 

You should read it sometime.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“No freeman shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or outlawed or exiled, or in any otherwise destroyed; nor will we pass upon him nor send upon him but by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will deny to no man, or delay, right or justice.”

 

magna carta 

You should read it sometime.

If you believe the Magna Carta applied to any but the nobility I have a bridge for sale. Serfs were not regarded as freemen, IMO. Hollywood versions of Robin Hood are not reality.

In any case, have you never heard of conscription, a death sentence for many innocents? How does that gel with Magna Carta?

 

Come up with something a bit more relevant to the OP if you want me to take you seriously.

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If you believe the Magna Carta applied to any but the nobility I have a bridge for sale. Serfs were not regarded as freemen, IMO. Hollywood versions of Robin Hood are not reality.

In any case, have you never heard of conscription, a death sentence for many innocents? How does that gel with Magna Carta?

 

Come up with something a bit more relevant to the OP if you want me to take you seriously.

Post your ignorance of the application of Magna Carta for all to read.

 

https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/2015-parliament-in-the-making/get-involved1/2015-banners-exhibition/ruth-ewan/1215-magna-carta-gallery/

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Post your ignorance of the application of Magna Carta for all to read.

 

https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/2015-parliament-in-the-making/get-involved1/2015-banners-exhibition/ruth-ewan/1215-magna-carta-gallery/

Yeah right. Those barons were really concerned about the rights of their serfs. Gee wizz, I never knew that.

 

Yawn.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yeah right. Those barons were really concerned about the rights of their serfs. Gee wizz, I never knew that.

 

Yawn.

It doesn’t matter what ‘those Barons’ where concerned with, it’s how Magna Carta was applied.

 

I’ve provided you the evidence on that.

 

Your question has been answered, and yes I know you don’t like the answer.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

On 1/12/2025 at 4:35 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

We will sell to no man, we will deny to no man, or delay, right or justice.”

 

magna carta 

You should read it sometime.

 

  She's a Woman though, so it doesn't apply to her 

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  She's a Woman though, so it doesn't apply to her 

You of course you know you are wrong in that but in the off chance some idiot is inclined to believe you, here’s why:

 

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/sentencing-and-criminal-justice/equality-before-the-law/398C3E2F77F4B19D2A15CFF60C2098CF

[Nick Carter icp]

On 1/13/2025 at 8:01 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Post your ignorance of the application of Magna Carta for all to read.

 

https://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/evolutionofparliament/2015-parliament-in-the-making/get-involved1/2015-banners-exhibition/ruth-ewan/1215-magna-carta-gallery/

 

 

 "Magna Carta states that no one, not even royalty, is more powerful than the law, "

 

    So, Shamima must follow the law ?

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

 "Magna Carta states that no one, not even royalty, is more powerful than the law, "

 

    So, Shamima must follow the law ?

 

 

 

Yes, and so must the Government.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, and so must the Government.

 

   Have the Government broken any laws ?

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Have the Government broken any laws ?

We’ll find out when this gets to the ECHR.

 

Meanwhile the incoming U.S. administration is telling the UK to import its terrorists.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’ll find out when this gets to the ECHR.

 

Meanwhile the incoming U.S. administration is telling the UK to import its terrorists.

 

 

 

  Does Labour do what the USA tells them to do ?

Tories wouldn't allow the USA to dictate  policies to them .

Lets see whether Labour are weak or strong