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Two New Zealand Men Arrested in Phuket for Alleged Brutal Assault on Traffic Cop


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  On 3/20/2024 at 7:00 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

If we are being fair, we don't know that the Police officer was 'an aggressor'...     

 

... there's a lot of language being used in this story that highlights bias...  

... Aggressor, victim, subdued, attacked, controlled etc... 

 

 

As voyeurs to this story, all we do know is that one NZ Guy disarmed a Thai policeman...   We don't know if the policeman had become an aggressor in the eyes of the NZ guys (and reasonable opinion) by that point, or if the NZ acted with idiotic oversight. 

 

 

... a lot of the argument and debate on this forum revolves around what we can see and interpret...   There is a strong argument to suggest there is a lot more to this story than is reported. 

 

 

 

 

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Sure, there is a lot of speculation on what happened. The most important thing is hard evidence. The prosecution has a video and at least 2 Thai eyewitnesses. What hard evidence does the defense have? Context has no meaning/importance if there is no hard evidence to back it up.

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  On 3/20/2024 at 5:15 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Erm...  apparently you can't call a spade a spade any more Neeranam... 

 

... The wokerati have decided the term is no longer related to the transliteration of (Greek Philosopher) Erasmus' phrase "to call a fig a fig and a trough a trough"... it has since been linked to playing cards, at some point the term 'spade' was used as a code for 'Black People' and hence a simple phrase acquired racial undertones... 

 

Soon...  I wont be able to mention socks, or how sweaty they get..  not because your 'Iron brew fried Mars bar eating lot' get upset, but because a bunch of gender misappropriating nonce softies lack the ability to turn the banter into a win for both parties with an entertaining exchange of verbiage our better halves would blush at....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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lol, pathetic isn't it?

 

But 'sweaty sock' is not based on race. Nothing wrong with sweaty, pom, septic etc. Mind you, I felt a bit like my grandmother recently when my daughter told me I can't say 'Red Indian'. I pointed out that in Thai they say the literal translation and that's OK. They differentiuate between Arabs(white indian) and Native Americans(Red Indians). My gran was shocked when I told her some wokes would be offended if she used 'gollywog'.

 

 

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I now read/see that the attacked cop was trying to take the 2 plumbs photo, that's when they attacked him, to grab his phone....Hmmmmmm.....😱

 

 

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Posted
  On 3/19/2024 at 10:29 AM, zzzzz said:

what happened before they were pulled over is irrelevant. 
they are wrong and now must face the consequences.

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In a court of law ( Western World ) , you need all of the evidence to come to a verdict . That video is only a part of the altercation . However 

T.I.T. so the correct law enforcement and correct conclusions are not always applied . It will be the cops word against the 2 NZs . Guess what the outcome will be ?

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  On 3/21/2024 at 2:36 AM, superal said:

In a court of law ( Western World ) , you need all of the evidence to come to a verdict . That video is only a part of the altercation . However 

T.I.T. so the correct law enforcement and correct conclusions are not always applied . It will be the cops word against the 2 NZs . Guess what the outcome will be ?

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So a dashcam of a US black kid getting shot dead is insufficient, we need to know more? Maybe we should all head there for justice? 

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turn this around to America or anywhere where the police are armed
see what happens when you try to disarm a cop, even if he is pointing it at you and yelling at you!!!!!

you dont deescalate a situation with police by disarming them!!!


 

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  On 3/21/2024 at 3:06 AM, Olmate said:

So a dashcam of a US black kid getting shot dead is insufficient, we need to know more? Maybe we should all head there for justice? 

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I don't want to be the pied piper ,but I would hazard a guess with all your spelling mistakes you grew up in a low class uneducated house , obviously the old folks werent lawyers or doctors .

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Posted
  On 3/21/2024 at 3:06 AM, Olmate said:

So a dashcam of a US black kid getting shot dead is insufficient, we need to know more? Maybe we should all head there for justice? 

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No relevance from your quote to the case in hand . Video evidence showing someone firing a gun and killing someone is conclusive but that is clearly not the case here . We have watched a NZ guy trying to disarm a Thai cop ( I wonder why ? ) and then the unloading of the bullets , for a good reason . The gun then given back to the cop . What we are told is that the 2 NZ guys failed to stop at a check point , also 1 of them did not have a licence . Cop pursued them and caught them at a noodle shop . At that point there is no video of what happened but I can imagine what did because of the NZ guys reaction .

I am reacting to the facts and not conjecture .

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  On 3/21/2024 at 3:51 AM, superal said:

No relevance from your quote to the case in hand . Video evidence showing someone firing a gun and killing someone is conclusive but that is clearly not the case here . We have watched a NZ guy trying to disarm a Thai cop ( I wonder why ? ) and then the unloading of the bullets , for a good reason . The gun then given back to the cop . What we are told is that the 2 NZ guys failed to stop at a check point , also 1 of them did not have a licence . Cop pursued them and caught them at a noodle shop . At that point there is no video of what happened but I can imagine what did because of the NZ guys reaction .

I am reacting to the facts and not conjecture .

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I read they were trying to take the cops PHONE because he was going to take their photos as evidence (passport) when they went for him....:whistling:

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  On 3/21/2024 at 3:12 AM, georgegeorgia said:

I don't want to be the pied piper ,but I would hazard a guess with all your spelling mistakes you grew up in a low class uneducated house , obviously the old folks werent lawyers or doctors .

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Socio-phonetics is somewhat of a giveaway, as is knowing how to correctly place a space after a comma and not before !!!... :whistling:

 

 

 

 

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  On 3/21/2024 at 2:31 AM, transam said:

I now read/see that the attacked cop was trying to take the 2 plumbs photo, that's when they attacked him, to grab his phone....Hmmmmmm.....😱

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That would explain the escalation and adds a little logic to the progression of a situation that turned chaotic. 

 

- Policeman stops the NZ Guys and starts filming them.

- NZ Guys not happy about this and react, take the phone to try to delete photos. 

- Police officer responds angrily and the NZ thinks he needs to remove the risk of the Policeman reaching for his gun.

 

(something like that anyway - & before the wise-arses step in... yes, this all speculation of course - for the purposes of discussion on this forum)

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  On 3/21/2024 at 2:26 AM, FritsSikkink said:
  On 3/20/2024 at 4:48 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

We're not in our country...  In most cases in 'our country' (wherever that may be) the Police are not viewed upon with a general degree of suspicion for being self serving and corrupt... 

 

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Some people have different views:

How many complaints are made against police officers, and how many are sacked? (bbc.com)

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And your interpretation of those views in comparison to the general level of trust and general degree of regard the Thai Police are held by the general population is quite flawed. 

 

All you have have done is to provide us with an example of the transparency and official due process that Police in the UK face when there is a complaint. 

 

This information alone validates my point rather than contradicts it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  On 3/21/2024 at 3:58 AM, transam said:

I read they were trying to take the cops PHONE because he was going to take their photos as evidence (passport) when they went for him....:whistling:

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Link ? cos I have not read that and anyway when are we going to hear the NZ guys statement ?

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  On 3/21/2024 at 6:34 AM, richard_smith237 said:

 

And your interpretation of those views in comparison to the general level of trust and general degree of regard the Thai Police are held by the general population is quite flawed. 

 

All you have have done is to provide us with an example of the transparency and official due process that Police in the UK face when there is a complaint. 

 

This information alone validates my point rather than contradicts it. 

 

 

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But what happens if you assault a police officer in your country and take his weapon (UK does have special units who are armed)

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  On 3/21/2024 at 6:35 AM, superal said:

Link ? cos I have not read that and anyway when are we going to hear the NZ guys statement ?

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Find it yourself.........🙄

The numpties statement will arrive when they have thought of something that may work...

But, that may take a rather long time, so, lay back and gaze at a clown with a cop in a strangle hold.........🤩

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Posted
  On 3/21/2024 at 6:41 AM, FritsSikkink said:

But what happens if you assault a police officer in your country and take his weapon (UK does have special units who are armed)

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Of course, the penalties would be extreme...

 

Or more realistically, you'd end up shot dead because any armed Policeman in the UK is highlight trained, also, never operating alone.... Thus due to training and SOP the opportunity would not present itself in the first place making your 'whatifery' a completely moot point.

 

 

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  On 3/21/2024 at 3:06 AM, Olmate said:

So a dashcam of a US black kid getting shot dead is insufficient, we need to know more? Maybe we should all head there for justice? 

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Point them out Spell Cop,(lowest form of flaming)right up your anal, (sorry mispell) alley of course. Happy to help with your proof reading lessons, I will bring my own Yellow Pages.  Woosh.! Next. lol

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  On 3/21/2024 at 3:51 AM, superal said:

No relevance from your quote to the case in hand . Video evidence showing someone firing a gun and killing someone is conclusive but that is clearly not the case here . We have watched a NZ guy trying to disarm a Thai cop ( I wonder why ? ) and then the unloading of the bullets , for a good reason . The gun then given back to the cop . What we are told is that the 2 NZ guys failed to stop at a check point , also 1 of them did not have a licence . Cop pursued them and caught them at a noodle shop . At that point there is no video of what happened but I can imagine what did because of the NZ guys reaction .

I am reacting to the facts and not conjecture .

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Surely it depends on what the charges are, how its worded,  and what evidence prosecution puts fwd to support that charge going fwd. Either way kiwi=toast. As many have stated here, anywhere else, Oz for sure, they would be shot ortasered. Offenders with knives even. Sadly an elderly woman, nursing home resident with a butterknife, shot dead the latest I recall.

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  On 3/19/2024 at 3:22 AM, mstevens said:

 

The Privacy Act in New Zealand means details of previous arrests or criminal history is generally not made public.

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Criminals have privacy in NZ? What happens after they are released from jail go get a job at a bank or grammar school?

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  On 3/19/2024 at 8:03 AM, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

What I saw was the two farangs restraining the cop, taking his gun off him and making it safe.

 

There is an additional video and photos of them all standing around together after the incident.

 

What led up to the assault happening?

 

Maybe the cop held a gun to their head over a traffic violation? 

 

Point is we simply don't know and are just speculating.

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You do not have to know what had come before to see that they were wrong. ~ You try taking a gun of a US policeman and also put him in a headlock, regardless of what has happened before which you may think, is justifiable. You will not survive. ~ At least Thai police do not shoot to kill.

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Posted
  On 3/18/2024 at 8:04 AM, Olmate said:

Deerculler? thinking of a bow hunter and dribbling good ol boys but from the land of long white cloud. Bitsimilar to these two" loserbrothers in arms"  Do you play the banjo! 

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"Deerculler" sounds like an intriguing concept, blending the imagery of bow hunting with the camaraderie of good ol' boys from the land of the long white cloud. It brings to mind the adventurous spirit of "loserbrothers in arms" with a unique twist. As for playing the banjo, while I don't play instruments myself, I'm here to help with anything banjo-related you might need!

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  On 3/22/2024 at 10:33 AM, murphybridget said:

"Deerculler" sounds like an intriguing concept, blending the imagery of bow hunting with the camaraderie of good ol' boys from the land of the long white cloud. It brings to mind the adventurous spirit of "loserbrothers in arms" with a unique twist. As for playing the banjo, while I don't play instruments myself, I'm here to help with anything banjo-related you might need!

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Dont tell me, tell the deer killer, no doubt a wild pig hunter as well, with the obligatory pack ofbloodthirsty killer pigdogs. Just the man to tell us how placid these two kiwi thugs are.! Your welcome.

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Posted
  On 3/22/2024 at 10:49 AM, Olmate said:

Dont tell me, tell the deer killer, no doubt a wild pig hunter as well, with the obligatory pack ofbloodthirsty killer pigdogs. Just the man to tell us how placid these two kiwi thugs are.! Your welcome.

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Tell him his service against feral hogs is needed stateside.

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