Trump unable to get $464m bond in New York fraud case, his lawyers say

[impulse]

15 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Just like all the total BS of election fraud which has been investigated to death with no signficant fraud found over three years later and yet brain dead people still apparently are beating that same old rigged election drum...so now they have a new drum to beat about biden bribery and again with no evidence.

 

I love the fact that Texas filed a Bill of Complaint with the Supreme Court in December of 2020 outlining a plethora of irregularities in the 2020 election, even though it wasn't heard by the SCOTUS for reasons of standing.  Though the SCOTUS specifically stated they did not evaluate the merits.  Just the standing.

 

Then, 126 legislators filed an Amicus Brief in support, as well as 18 states filing an Amicus Brief in support.  So the evidence of irregularities was known in 2020.  That's public record.  And the last time I checked, of the 21 cases that had eventually worked their way through the courts, 14 of them agreed with Texas (and 126 legislators and 18 states) that election laws had been violated.  But obviously not in time to do anything about the tainted election.

 

So the idea that Trump, unilaterally and out of nowhere tried to "steal an election" is ludicrous.   So is the idea that there's no evidence.  There was a plethora of evidence known by December, 2020.  It's in the Texas complaint.  And that doesn't include the evidence that's come out since then...

 

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/texas-v-pennsylvania/

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, impulse said:

So the evidence of irregularities was known in 2020.

Alleged evidence of alleged irregularities.

 

 

[Berkshire]

57 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I love the fact that Texas filed a Bill of Complaint with the Supreme Court in December of 2020 outlining a plethora of irregularities in the 2020 election, even though it wasn't heard by the SCOTUS for reasons of standing.  Though the SCOTUS specifically stated they did not evaluate the merits.  Just the standing.

 

Then, 126 legislators filed an Amicus Brief in support, as well as 18 states filing an Amicus Brief in support.  So the evidence of irregularities was known in 2020.  That's public record.  And the last time I checked, of the 21 cases that had eventually worked their way through the courts, 14 of them agreed with Texas (and 126 legislators and 18 states) that election laws had been violated.  But obviously not in time to do anything about the tainted election.

 

So the idea that Trump, unilaterally and out of nowhere tried to "steal an election" is ludicrous.   So is the idea that there's no evidence.  There was a plethora of evidence known by December, 2020.  It's in the Texas complaint.  And that doesn't include the evidence that's come out since then...

 

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/texas-v-pennsylvania/

Every single piece of this "evidence" that you speak of, when further investigated, revealed that it was nonsensical cr*p.  I can't believe anyone still believes this stuff.  Surely, if true evidence were out there--along with whoever was responsible--the right wing media would be all over it.  After 3+ years, still nothing.

[candide]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

I love the fact that Texas filed a Bill of Complaint with the Supreme Court in December of 2020 outlining a plethora of irregularities in the 2020 election, even though it wasn't heard by the SCOTUS for reasons of standing.  Though the SCOTUS specifically stated they did not evaluate the merits.  Just the standing.

 

Then, 126 legislators filed an Amicus Brief in support, as well as 18 states filing an Amicus Brief in support.  So the evidence of irregularities was known in 2020.  That's public record.  And the last time I checked, of the 21 cases that had eventually worked their way through the courts, 14 of them agreed with Texas (and 126 legislators and 18 states) that election laws had been violated.  But obviously not in time to do anything about the tainted election.

 

So the idea that Trump, unilaterally and out of nowhere tried to "steal an election" is ludicrous.   So is the idea that there's no evidence.  There was a plethora of evidence known by December, 2020.  It's in the Texas complaint.  And that doesn't include the evidence that's come out since then...

 

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/texas-v-pennsylvania/

 

 

And where is the source for 14 imaginary court cases agreeing about massive voter fraud? 😃

[Peabody]

17 hours ago, G_Money said:

Ask the banks that loaned him the money that the left is taking him to court for false appraisals.

 

Banks happy.  Paid in full.

 

Next

Still fraud.

Next

[G_Money]

1 minute ago, Peabody said:

Still fraud.

Next

 Paid back in full with interest.  Completely legitimate.

 

Nice try.

[Peabody]

Just now, G_Money said:

 Paid back in full with interest.  Completely legitimate.

 

Nice try.

Still fraud.

Nice try

[G_Money]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Republican led Congressional Investigation did just that.

 

They spent $millions of tax payers money and came up with a big fat juicy nothing burger.

 

Meanwhile Trump supporters have absolutely no problem if the money trail to Trump leads all the way back to Russia or Saudi Arabia, so long as the paper work is legal.

Quite good at research and voicing your “expert” opinions.

 

The Planet Fitness thread is waiting for your due diligence.

[bamnutsak]

2 hours ago, LosLobo said:

The '$3.5 billion stake is unlikely to immediately help Trump because he and other big shareholders are subject to a so-called "lock-up" provision that bars him from selling his stock for at least six months'. 

 

 

Yes, I didn't mean to imply that this stake was "liquid", but someone (Jared, Jeff Yass, Saudis) might be convinced to pay him $500 million today for a stake which might be worth $750 million, once all the hurdles are overcome. Certainly no more risky than taking potentially encumbered real estate?

[G_Money]

5 minutes ago, Peabody said:

Still fraud.

Nice try

Your name matches your brain to a T.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Quite good at research and voicing your “expert” opinions.

 

The Planet Fitness thread is waiting for your due diligence.

Not getting the attention you crave?

[Peabody]

4 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Your name matches your brain to a T.

Are you in 1st grade?

Still fraud.

Nice try

[Walker88]

1 minute ago, G_Money said:

 Paid back in full with interest.  Completely legitimate.

 

Nice try.

trumpers never get it, and never will get it. Any legitimate and legal action taken against their messiah is blasphemy.

 

There is a plainly stated law in NY that lying on any loan application or insurance application is a crime, whether or not a "victim" exists. It exists as a backup to due diligence, so as to minimize the chance banks---who take in public deposits and have a fiduciary responsibility to protect those deposits---lose to fraudulent and lying borrowers like trump. Similar for insurance companies.

 

If a fraudulent borrower stiffed a bank, and the bank went bellyup, the depositors who lose their funds (FDIC insurance is limited, and at the time of trump's fraud was a mere $100,000) would be hurt. THAT is why such laws exist: as additional security to the system and faith in that system. The entire world's financial system is based on little more than confidence....confidence that funds depositors put in banks are safe and will be handled properly. Laws against fraud spread some of that risk away from banks on to borrowers. Fear of punishment should make borrowers behave, thus adding strength to the system. trump misbehaved and thus faces punishment.

 

Second, there are actual victims....banks should have received a higher interest rate to compensate for the actual risk. That they were repaid (except for the 6 bankruptcies) does not change the fact that they were under greater risk than they perceived, because of trump's lies. Shareholders also are victims, because if trump had paid interest commensurate with the risk, the bank would have earned more and shareholders would have had ownership of a more valuable asset (bank earnings).

 

If lying on loan applications is not punished, what is the point of even filing one? Just walk into a bank, tell them your name and how much money you want, and let them do everything else. Maybe in a small town bank where everybody knows everybody, that could work, but not in a major city.

[G_Money]

4 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

trumpers never get it, and never will get it. Any legitimate and legal action taken against their messiah is blasphemy.

 

There is a plainly stated law in NY that lying on any loan application or insurance application is a crime, whether or not a "victim" exists. It exists as a backup to due diligence, so as to minimize the chance banks---who take in public deposits and have a fiduciary responsibility to protect those deposits---lose to fraudulent and lying borrowers like trump. Similar for insurance companies.

 

If a fraudulent borrower stiffed a bank, and the bank went bellyup, the depositors who lose their funds (FDIC insurance is limited, and at the time of trump's fraud was a mere $100,000) would be hurt. THAT is why such laws exist: as additional security to the system and faith in that system. The entire world's financial system is based on little more than confidence....confidence that funds depositors put in banks are safe and will be handled properly. Laws against fraud spread some of that risk away from banks on to borrowers. Fear of punishment should make borrowers behave, thus adding strength to the system. trump misbehaved and thus faces punishment.

 

Second, there are actual victims....banks should have received a higher interest rate to compensate for the actual risk. That they were repaid (except for the 6 bankruptcies) does not change the fact that they were under greater risk than they perceived, because of trump's lies. Shareholders also are victims, because if trump had paid interest commensurate with the risk, the bank would have earned more and shareholders would have had ownership of a more valuable asset (bank earnings).

 

If lying on loan applications is not punished, what is the point of even filing one? Just walk into a bank, tell them your name and how much money you want, and let them do everything else. Maybe in a small town bank where everybody knows everybody, that could work, but not in a major city.

And your point is what?

 

Trump paid back his loans to the banks.  Banks didn’t have an issue.

 

Just like most people unless you have student loans.  You still have yours?  Paid off or waiting for Uncle Joe’s promise in exchange for your vote?

[Peabody]

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Trump paid back his loans to the banks.  Banks didn’t have an issue.

Still fraud

[G_Money]

2 minutes ago, Peabody said:

Still fraud

Time for a trip in the Time Machine Mr Peabody.  Go back to the date Trump paid in full.

[candide]

4 hours ago, G_Money said:

Time for a trip in the Time Machine Mr Peabody.  Go back to the date Trump paid in full.

Falsifying business records, issuing false financial statements, conspiracy to commit insurance fraud and conspiracy to falsify business records.

in summary: fraud. 😃

[G_Money]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Falsifying business records, issuing false financial statements, conspiracy to commit insurance fraud and conspiracy to falsify business records.

in summary: fraud. 😃

You’re the other one we’re waiting for on the Planet Fitness thread.

 

Put as much effort into that thread as you do this one.  

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, G_Money said:

 Paid back in full with interest.  Completely legitimate.

 

Nice try.

Interest based on fraudulent figures. Illegal.

Also insurance fraud and tax fraud. Both illegal.

[G_Money]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Falsifying business records, issuing false financial statements, conspiracy to commit insurance fraud and conspiracy to falsify business records.

in summary: fraud. 😃

Isn’t Microsoft Word great!  Enabled you to produce official looking text.

[candide]

1 minute ago, G_Money said:

You’re the other one we’re waiting for on the Planet Fitness thread.

 

Put as much effort into that thread as you do this one.  

As usual, you have nothing. N.Y. law was applied. You're not trying to make up what laws, are you? 😄

[FritsSikkink]

1 minute ago, G_Money said:

Isn’t Microsoft Word great!  Enabled you to produce official looking text.

Law books are great, should try to read some of it.

[G_Money]

1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

Interest based on fraudulent figures. Illegal.

Also insurance fraud and tax fraud. Both illegal.

 Fraudulent posts..  illegal 

[candide]

2 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Isn’t Microsoft Word great!  Enabled you to produce official looking text.

Lame deflection! 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-letitia-james-new-york-engoron-38bc3a7f2ccb22555c026e9bf70fd5bb

[FritsSikkink]

3 minutes ago, G_Money said:

 Fraudulent posts..  illegal 

Dumb comment, sadly legal. But luckily there is the ignore option.

 

[G_Money]

Just now, FritsSikkink said:

Dumb comment, sadly legal.

A dumber comment 

[G_Money]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

As usual, you have nothing. N.Y. law was applied. You're not trying to make up what laws, are you? 😄

That bloke on the Planet Fitness thread really needs your support.

 

As much as you support Biden.

[d4dang]

The Donald should start his own brand of adult diapers. Joe could endorse them.

[G_Money]

55 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

trumpers never get it, and never will get it. Any legitimate and legal action taken against their messiah is blasphemy.

 

There is a plainly stated law in NY that lying on any loan application or insurance application is a crime, whether or not a "victim" exists. It exists as a backup to due diligence, so as to minimize the chance banks---who take in public deposits and have a fiduciary responsibility to protect those deposits---lose to fraudulent and lying borrowers like trump. Similar for insurance companies.

 

If a fraudulent borrower stiffed a bank, and the bank went bellyup, the depositors who lose their funds (FDIC insurance is limited, and at the time of trump's fraud was a mere $100,000) would be hurt. THAT is why such laws exist: as additional security to the system and faith in that system. The entire world's financial system is based on little more than confidence....confidence that funds depositors put in banks are safe and will be handled properly. Laws against fraud spread some of that risk away from banks on to borrowers. Fear of punishment should make borrowers behave, thus adding strength to the system. trump misbehaved and thus faces punishment.

 

Second, there are actual victims....banks should have received a higher interest rate to compensate for the actual risk. That they were repaid (except for the 6 bankruptcies) does not change the fact that they were under greater risk than they perceived, because of trump's lies. Shareholders also are victims, because if trump had paid interest commensurate with the risk, the bank would have earned more and shareholders would have had ownership of a more valuable asset (bank earnings).

 

If lying on loan applications is not punished, what is the point of even filing one? Just walk into a bank, tell them your name and how much money you want, and let them do everything else. Maybe in a small town bank where everybody knows everybody, that could work, but not in a major city.

Perhaps you will be reinstated for a special mission.  Wet Work!  Or are you permanently banned?

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/carville-advises-biden-others-wet-work-against-trump-take-guy-out

[candide]

13 minutes ago, G_Money said:

That bloke on the Planet Fitness thread really needs your support.

 

As much as you support Biden.

Blah blah....