transam Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 minute ago, RayC said: Could you explain why given that Brexit has delivered few, if any, benefits? Perhaps so, but Brexit was the original division upon which these other fractures have emerged. This is not a Brexit thread, I know a few here wait in the wings for a Brexit dig, but it does get a bit boring, Raymond....😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 13 hours ago, nauseus said: You forgot the 10 years before that. No, I didn't, but I am of the opinion that the last 14 years are more relevant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FruitPudding Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 (edited) On 3/22/2024 at 8:41 AM, Nick Carter icp said: Having recently been in the UK , its the immigrants who do much of the work and its often the White British people who are too lazy to work . You're gonna have to back this up with some facts. EDIT: I did it for you! White people have the lowest rate of unemployment out of all the ethnic groups, according the UK government website. https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/unemployment/latest/ On 3/22/2024 at 8:41 AM, Nick Carter icp said: The immigrants don't go to the UK to doss around Are you f...ing joking? Edited March 23 by FruitPudding 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, transam said: This is not a Brexit thread, I know a few here wait in the wings for a Brexit dig, but it does get a bit boring, Raymond....😉 Trans, I didn't bring Brexit up so point the finger elsewhere. However, once Brexit is brought into the discussion, I feel that it is my civic duty to correct the falicy that it has been of net benefit to the country😉 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 9 minutes ago, FruitPudding said: You're gonna have to back this up with some facts. EDIT: I did it for you! White people have the lowest rate of unemployment out of all the ethnic groups, according the UK give website. https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/unemployment/latest/ Are you f...ing joking? The section containing Figure 2 in the attached link contains the more relevant data https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-labour-market-an-overview/ 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FruitPudding Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 (edited) 17 minutes ago, FruitPudding said: You're gonna have to back this up with some facts. EDIT: I did it for you! White people have the lowest rate of unemployment out of all the ethnic groups, according the UK government website. https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/unemployment/latest/ Are you f...ing joking? Lol, just 3% of whites (lowest in the country) compared to 9% of Pakistani/Bangladeshi, and 7% for other Asians and 7% for blacks. That's more than a ×2 to ×3 higher unemployment rate for those other groups, making them the highest in the country. But it's those lazy whites, right @Nick Carter icp?? 😄 🤣 😂 😆 😄 🤣 😂 Edited March 23 by FruitPudding 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post newbee2022 Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 On 3/22/2024 at 6:30 AM, Social Media said: The energy price crisis triggered by Russia's invasion of Ukraine has led to the most significant surge in absolute poverty in the UK in three decades, according to newly released data. The sharp rise in prices resulted in hundreds of thousands more individuals falling into absolute poverty, pushing the figure to 12 million in 2022-2023—an increase of 600,000. Absolute poverty, a metric frequently cited by the prime minister to gauge the government's performance, now affects 18% of the UK population—a rise of 0.78 percentage points. This increase would have been even more pronounced without government interventions such as Cost of Living payments, which helped mitigate the impact on vulnerable households. Work and Pensions Secretary Mel Stride emphasized the government's response, highlighting the "biggest cost of living package in Europe," averaging £3,800 per household. He noted that this support prevented 1.3 million people from falling into poverty during the period under review. However, despite efforts to alleviate the situation, the number of children and working-age adults in poverty each rose by approximately 300,000 individuals. Alarmingly, a quarter of children are now living in absolute poverty, marking the highest increase in child poverty rates since at least the mid-1990s. The true extent of poverty goes beyond income statistics, with indicators such as food insecurity and inadequate heating providing a more nuanced picture. The Institute for Fiscal Studies highlights a rise in food insecurity from 8% to 11% and a doubling in the proportion of individuals unable to heat their homes adequately. Opposition parties have condemned the government's handling of the crisis, with Labour describing the statistics as "horrifying" and underscoring their commitment to reducing child poverty. The Liberal Democrats and the Scottish National Party also criticized the government's response, emphasizing the human impact behind the alarming figures. As the UK grapples with the repercussions of the energy price crisis, the challenge of addressing poverty remains a pressing concern. The government faces mounting pressure to implement effective measures to support vulnerable households and mitigate the impact of economic instability on the most marginalized communities. 22.03.24 Source The price UK have to pay after having left EU. End not in sight. 🙏 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 7 hours ago, jak2002003 said: They are the ones allowing the extortionate prices of the utilities...so people can't afford to heat their homes! The high prices are more to do with high taxation in fuel and record massive profits for the gas and water companies...which are foreign owned... No, the prices are not mainly about that. If they were, they would be constantly high. The burden would have been a lot higher for everyone had the government not stepped in with payments to all. They continue to help the more needy with payment now. The utility companies have millions of shareholders. Many UK based, many pension and investment companies, from which many of the UK public benefit. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 17 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: No, I didn't, but I am of the opinion that the last 14 years are more relevant. Of course the last 14 years are more relevant, in terms of numbers, but the trend was set during from 2001, under Blair & Co. The Tories must have concluded that having our noses rubbed in diversity was a good option. I expect that thinking will change after the next GE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 7 hours ago, jak2002003 said: And the government under Thatcher sold off all our council housing and did not build any more. No, they did not. If that were true, how did Angela Rayner manage to buy her council house in 2007? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 28 minutes ago, RayC said: Trans, I didn't bring Brexit up so point the finger elsewhere. However, once Brexit is brought into the discussion, I feel that it is my civic duty to correct the falicy that it has been of net benefit to the country😉 He did bring up Brexit so!. Go back one page. Pants on fire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 3/22/2024 at 6:43 AM, Skipalongcassidy said: Brits cannot solve their own problems but all of them on this forum have all the answers for the USA Did you know that when America sh*ts the bed, the whole world, including Britain, has to lie in it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post andersonat Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 22 hours ago, BritManToo said: Would point out UK benefits is usually only available to women with kids and immigrants (of any flavour). I'm intrigued ... for which Benefits are (newly-arrived) Immigrants in the UK eligible ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 21 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: No, they did not. If that were true, how did Angela Rayner manage to buy her council house in 2007? Yes they did. View the following and be enlightened. https://www.statista.com/statistics/746101/completion-of-new-dwellings-uk/ My mum and dad weren't allowed to buy their council house in Aberdeen in 2017? Because they lived in what the local council called a 'stressed' housing area, and selling off local authority housing in stressed areas isn't allowed. Rayner's council housing in Stockport wasn't 'stressed' in 2007. Why was my parent's housing area stressed? Look at the graph above. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, NanLaew said: Yes they did. View the following and be enlightened. https://www.statista.com/statistics/746101/completion-of-new-dwellings-uk/ My mum and dad weren't allowed to buy their council house in Aberdeen in 2017? Because they lived in what the local council called a 'stressed' housing area, and selling off local authority housing in stressed areas isn't allowed. Rayner's council housing in Stockport wasn't 'stressed' in 2007. Why was my parent's housing area stressed? Look at the graph above. The poster I quoted said " 42 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: And the government under Thatcher sold off all our council housing and did not build any more. That is incorrect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, FruitPudding said: Are you f...ing joking? Are you? Can you tell the difference between an immigrant and a British ethnic group? Do you even comprehend what you are copy and pasting from your chosen government website? No, I thought not on BOTH counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 22 hours ago, BritManToo said: Would point out, recreational drugs and alcohol are all that make poverty bearable. When you spend your money on drinking and drugs and then complain because you are hungry Getting off your trolley on a daily basis is a huge expense , and the money could be better spent on other things like food and heating 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: When you spend your money on drinking and drugs and then complain because you are hungry Getting off your trolley on a daily basis is a huge expense , and the money could be better spent on other things like food and heating Not sure anyone needs heating, sleeping bags work well even outside in the snow. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FruitPudding Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 30 minutes ago, NanLaew said: Are you? Can you tell the difference between an immigrant and a British ethnic group? Can you tell the difference when they are tearing down the flag together? 30 minutes ago, NanLaew said: Do you even comprehend what you are copy and pasting from your chosen government website? I quoted THE OFFICIAL government website (GOV.UK) 30 minutes ago, NanLaew said: No, I thought not on BOTH counts. (゜o゜)＼(-_-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 1 hour ago, nauseus said: He did bring up Brexit so!. Go back one page. Pants on fire! Oh dear ... Are you really that desperate to avoid answering my question about the benefits of Brexit that you resort to posting outright lies in an attempt to divert attention? Thought that you were better than that, nauseus. If you refer to page 1, you will see that sirineou was the first person to mention Brexit in this thread, followed by herfiehandbag. I replied to herfie (my first post in this thread). If you must make up things can I suggest that you at least make it a bit more difficult to disprove the lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 24 minutes ago, RayC said: Oh dear ... Are you really that desperate to avoid answering my question about the benefits of Brexit that you resort to posting outright lies in an attempt to divert attention? Thought that you were better than that, nauseus. If you refer to page 1, you will see that sirineou was the first person to mention Brexit in this thread, followed by herfiehandbag. I replied to herfie (my first post in this thread). If you must make up things can I suggest that you at least make it a bit more difficult to disprove the lie. Take it easy. You are correct about who was first in with the Brexit mention. My mistake rather than an intentional lie. Apologies., I'm not desperate to avoid answering your question. I'm just bored with it after how many times now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 4 minutes ago, nauseus said: Take it easy. You are correct about who was first in with the Brexit mention. My mistake rather than an intentional lie. Apologies. Thank you for the retraction and apology. It is appreciated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichardColeman Posted March 23 Popular Post Share Posted March 23 Problem is most 'poor' people in the UK consider themselves poor if they do not have the latest i-phone, a 65 inch tv, at least 2 dogs, 5 children, beer on tap, cheap fags, sky subscriptions and easy access to weed. Least that is what 2 years in blackpool during covid taught me 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pdavies99 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 The issue often in the UK is families who have no working person producing an income. Many would rather rely on Government handouts / benfits to live, and pay for everything! That's one reason why illegal immigrants much prefer to live legally and illegally in the UK. However, don't believe this is worse or special to the UK, it is a common situtation in virtually all countries, whether advertised or admitted. I will say though I feel sorry for low income families who work and struggle to survive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keeps Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 3/22/2024 at 4:21 AM, Celsius said: like most brits in Thailand Do you recall being dropped on your head when you were a child? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey and the Bandit Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 On 3/22/2024 at 8:41 AM, Nick Carter icp said: Having recently been in the UK , its the immigrants who do much of the work and its often the White British people who are too lazy to work . The immigrants don't go to the UK to doss around Surely you mean...'legal immigrants'..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 19 hours ago, jak2002003 said: Your idea it to go back to good old Dickensian times when poor people died from cold? No , no one dies from the cold these days , Houses are insulated and double glazed I often see my poor neighbours with the central heating on and windows open and complain because they cannot pay the heating bills . Myself having lived in Thailand for a while , being cold is a luxury and no need for air con Just put warm clothes on and sleep with a woolly hat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 (edited) 5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: When you spend your money on drinking and drugs and then complain because you are hungry Getting off your trolley on a daily basis is a huge expense , and the money could be better spent on other things like food and heating I’m expect you might have a particular individual in mind, perhaps someone close or a family member. But it’s a bit of a sweeping generalization once you start to apply that to millions of people living in poverty in the UK of 2024. Don’t you think? Edited March 23 by Chomper Higgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: No , no one dies from the cold these days Easily dot down as the falsehood it is: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11676661/amp/Pensioner-87-died-hypothermia-telling-doctor-afford-heat-home.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 hours ago, Pdavies99 said: The issue often in the UK is families who have no working person producing an income. Many would rather rely on Government handouts / benfits to live, and pay for everything! That's one reason why illegal immigrants much prefer to live legally and illegally in the UK. However, don't believe this is worse or special to the UK, it is a common situtation in virtually all countries, whether advertised or admitted. I will say though I feel sorry for low income families who work and struggle to survive. There’s no reason for such ignorance. Try reading: https://www.jrf.org.uk/uk-poverty-2024-the-essential-guide-to-understanding-poverty-in-the-uk#:~:text=More than 1 in 5,in 10) working-age adults 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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