ISIS claims responsibility for attack in Moscow concert venue that left at least 40 dead

[Operator2002]

1 hour ago, pegman said:

Latest western polling of Russian people has Putin approval rating at 86% in February. About when Biden was at 37%. But you people keep on believing the western propaganda media about how much Putin is hated by his own people.    https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/#:~:text=In February 2024%2C over eight,partial mobilization in the country.

No,Putin does not have 86% approving rating alleged by Putin's propaganda machine. Feels like half of it. Most people I know in Russia do not support him.

 

"As many as half of all the votes reported for Vladimir Putin in Russia’s presidential election last week were fraudulent, according to Russian independent media reports using a statistical method devised by analyst Sergey Shpilkin to estimate the extent of voter manipulation"...

[Foxx]

Good to see that ISIS, being devout followers of Islam, The Religion of Peace, are acting in accordance with the spirit of the month of Ramadan - the month of jihad.

[John Drake]

Just checked on Twitter/X, to a man/woman, the pro-Hamas, pro-Palestine, pro-Russia, and pro-China accounts are claiming it's a Jewish conspiracy backed by the CIA and Mossad. It's remarkable they had their stories all lined up and waiting to go within minutes of the news breaking. Not to mention the usual whackos like Alex Jones are also claiming it's a Jewish conspiracy. 

[eisfeld]

3 hours ago, pegman said:

Latest western polling of Russian people has Putin approval rating at 86% in February. About when Biden was at 37%. But you people keep on believing the western propaganda media about how much Putin is hated by his own people.    https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/#:~:text=In February 2024%2C over eight,partial mobilization in the country.

 

3 hours ago, pegman said:

Go down to beach road and ask a few Russians then. But by the same token I can't believe Biden as much more than 20% approval.

 

I have spoken to about two dozen russians in recent times and haven't found a single one who supports Putin or the war.

 

Edited March 23 by eisfeld

[Tigger01]

3 hours ago, pegman said:

Go down to beach road and ask a few Russians then. But by the same token I can't believe Biden as much more than 20% approval.

They're on beach Rd to get away from Putin.....

[sammieuk1]

Agree with the Terminator 100%  🤔

 

[Georgealbert]

Russian media reports the alleged suspects are Tajikistan nationals.

 

1. Faizov Rivozhidin Zokirdzhonovich (20.05.2004).

 

2. Ismoilov Rivozhidin Islomovich (25.09.1972).

 

3. Faizov Muhammad-Sobir Zokirdzhonovich (20.05.2004).

 

4. Nasramailov Makhamadrasul Zarabidinovich Nasramailov (21.07.1986).

 

5. Safolzoda Shohinjon Abdugaforovich (28.07.2002).

 

6. Nazarov Rustam Isroilovich (02.01.1995).

 

[nobodysfriend]

10 hours ago, Social Media said:

At least 40 people have lost their lives, and over 100 others have been injured in what appears to be a meticulously planned and executed attack.

 

3 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

I'm kind of surprised he didn't get 108% of the vote in the recent election.

He learned the lesson from Lukashenko .

[impulse]

Sure wouldn't want to be one of these 11 guys right now:

 

FSB reports 11 suspects detained over terrorist attack

 

https://www.rt.com/russia/594770-alleged-crocus-terrorists-detained/

[candide]

20 minutes ago, impulse said:

Sure wouldn't want to be one of these 11 guys right now:

 

FSB reports 11 suspects detained over terrorist attack

 

https://www.rt.com/russia/594770-alleged-crocus-terrorists-detained/

And the Russian propaganda is already paving the way to put the blame on Ukraine!

From the link:

"the perpetrators tried to escape by car, fleeing towards the Russian-Ukrainian border,” 

Edited March 23 by candide

[cncltd1973]

5 hours ago, pegman said:

Latest western polling of Russian people has Putin approval rating at 86% in February. About when Biden was at 37%. But you people keep on believing the western propaganda media about how much Putin is hated by his own people.    https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/#:~:text=In February 2024%2C over eight,partial mobilization in the country.

they also still adore Stalin, who oversaw the death, torture and starvation of 25-30 million Russians in a time when the life expectancy was in the 50s. difficult to understand the mind of a Russian,,, or a muslim, for that matter; interesting that muslim leadership won't condemn these acts, it is legal against infidels, according to their paedo, warrior prophet.

condolences to the Russians, tho.

[beautifulthailand99]

Call me a cynic but since Russia has had an increasing alliance with Islamic Iran and has just 'won' the election on a stability ticket (I know that's doing a lot of heavy lifting there!) who stands to gain from such an attack - Occam's razor says US/Ukraine. It wouldn't even have to be a direct connection, either - there were certainly murky alliances of conveniences in the Syrian civil war and ISIS was fighting the Assad regime along with other western proxies.Or it might just be what it looks like, some homegrown ISIS variant that will inevitably be ruthlessly crushed.

Edited March 23 by beautifulthailand99

[Bkk Brian]

36 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Call me a cynic but since Russia has had an increasing alliance with Islamic Iran and has just 'won' the election on a stability ticket (I know that's doing a lot of heavy lifting there!) who stands to gain from such an attack - Occam's razor says US/Ukraine. It wouldn't even have to be a direct connection, either - there were certainly murky alliances of conveniences in the Syrian civil war and ISIS was fighting the Assad regime along with other western proxies.Or it might just be what it looks like, some homegrown ISIS variant that will inevitably be ruthlessly crushed.

No that's not you being a cynic, its you spreading conspiracy nonsense a bit like Alex Jones who is  claiming it was the CIA

[beautifulthailand99]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No that's not you being a cynic, its you spreading conspiracy nonsense a bit like Alex Jones who is  claiming it was the CIA

I have a nuanced commentary based on initial first stabs at the truth and a healthy dose of scepticism as to what is being told to me. As Jeremy Paxman once said "Why is this lying b@stard lying to me?" If you are reading Alex Jones for whatever reasons I suggest you don't.

Edited March 23 by beautifulthailand99

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I have a nuanced commentary based on initial first stabs at the truth and a healthy dose of scepticism as to what is being told to me. As Jeremy Paxman once said "Why is this lying b@stard lying to me?" If you are reading Alex Jones for whatever reasons I suggest you don't.

No its you spreading conspiracy nonsense like I said. It will be the Jews did it next

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

who stands to gain from such an attack - Occam's razor says US/Ukraine.

Only if you are viewing everything thru a USA-centric lens. If you have a modicum of global geopolitical knowledge, Occam's razor says ISIS.

[beautifulthailand99]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No its you spreading conspiracy nonsense like I said. It will be the Jews did it next

You do amuse me, but I avoid trolling - it's disruptive for healthy debate and makes for tedious work for mods to clean up.

[beautifulthailand99]

Just now, mikebike said:

Only if you are viewing everything thru a USA-centric lens. If you have a modicum of global geopolitical knowledge, Occam's razor says ISIS.

Your right, it was an idle musing. The Reddits are full of telegram posts of the terrorists being arrested and subjected to a healthy dose of Russian rough justice. The speed at which they got them and the wealth of CCTV that is being shared suggests they got the right guys.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You do amuse me, but I avoid trolling - it's disruptive for healthy debate and makes for tedious work for mods to clean up.

Likewise....

[Cory1848]

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Call me a cynic but since Russia has had an increasing alliance with Islamic Iran and has just 'won' the election on a stability ticket (I know that's doing a lot of heavy lifting there!) who stands to gain from such an attack - Occam's razor says US/Ukraine. It wouldn't even have to be a direct connection, either - there were certainly murky alliances of conveniences in the Syrian civil war and ISIS was fighting the Assad regime along with other western proxies.Or it might just be what it looks like, some homegrown ISIS variant that will inevitably be ruthlessly crushed.

Well, for one thing, while Russia and Iran are to some extent in alliance as you say, “Islamic Iran” is a Shi’a state and ISIS is Sunni, and these two branches of Islam have been in theological and often military conflict for 1,500 years. (Although it can get murky depending on a perceived third-party enemy: Iran supports Hamas, for instance, which is largely a Sunni entity.) As for your further speculation, while the US government has indeed engaged in “murky alliances of convenience” in the past and shown little regard for collateral damage, that makes no sense in this case, and as stated elsewhere US intelligence through some back channel did warn the Russians about chatter they’d tapped into leading up to this horrific attack.

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Call me a cynic but since Russia has had an increasing alliance with Islamic Iran and has just 'won' the election on a stability ticket (I know that's doing a lot of heavy lifting there!) who stands to gain from such an attack - Occam's razor says US/Ukraine. It wouldn't even have to be a direct connection, either - there were certainly murky alliances of conveniences in the Syrian civil war and ISIS was fighting the Assad regime along with other western proxies.Or it might just be what it looks like, some homegrown ISIS variant that will inevitably be ruthlessly crushed.

Again you're a Russian propaganda troll 

[arithai12]

5 hours ago, candide said:

And the Russian propaganda is already paving the way to put the blame on Ukraine!

From the link:

"the perpetrators tried to escape by car, fleeing towards the Russian-Ukrainian border,” 

Unless you know for a fact that it's not true, why "russian propaganda"? btw, it's not that western and ukrainian propaganda play fair. But let's leave this kind of bickering for later, right now my heart goes out to the families of 143 innocent people who just wanted to see a concert.

[stevenl]

23 minutes ago, arithai12 said:

Unless you know for a fact that it's not true, why "russian propaganda"? btw, it's not that western and ukrainian propaganda play fair. But let's leave this kind of bickering for later, right now my heart goes out to the families of 143 innocent people who just wanted to see a concert.

Why do people feel the need to compare Russian and Western media and claim they're similar.

[beautifulthailand99]

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

Again you're a Russian propaganda troll 

I will ignore personal abuse, I'm a realist not a propagandist for any side and have no time for Putin - whilst he may have stabilized Russia from the chaos post Gorbachev, he has spent any credit he may have with foreign adventurism. That said, to a degree he is a rational player and over decades the US empire has sought to destabilize and interfere in their backyard and has some responsibility for the instability we now have. There are many inconvenient truths about the reality of the war in Ukraine, the main one being they are losing and increasingly without future guarantees of money and material, which are drying up. As I've pointed out before, I study a wide array of news sources and direct feeds from sites such as Reddit and X and only quote and link from the most authoritative western sources and news sites. I haven't watched RT for many a long month now, it's junk. The key question now is if Ukraine can't win and the cavalry ain't coming to rescue them against a much bigger adversary, then it's probably time to sue for peace and stop the slaughter.

 

I also remember the western propaganda narratives that were pushed, Putin is dying, he will be replaced in a coup, the Russians are running out of arms and are using shovel instead (they were building the Surovkin line which successfully repelled the Ukrainian counteroffensive. Washing machines were a meme for a while and toilets (they use them in their dugouts)  - a lot of their dugouts have power and extensive embellishment in terms of field hospitals, kitchens and the like. And their extensive use of convicts is something that Ukrainians has now embarked on, and much of the wunderwaffe that was touted with winning the war like Challengers, Abrams and Leopards and proved to be a nightmare to maintain, easily cooked off by cheap drones and ineffective for the most part in combat. F16s will probably go the same way if they ever arrive, that is - with an even more devilish maintenance requirements. The Russian economy had far from tanked, sanctions haven't worked, and they have successfully restarted their military industrial complex and consolidated supply chains with Iran and North Korea.

 

The average age of a Ukrainian soldier is now 43 they have burnt through the best and brightest of their youth. But if you want to cheerlead cost free from the safety of your oriental perch and try to stymie informed debate, be my guest. The average cost to each European currently stands at £3500 extra on direct costs of living caused by the war whilst I imagine in Thailand you are getting subsided hydrocarbons courtesy of your host who's happy to buy from Russia no questions asked. If you don't like my posts, could I suggest you put me on ignore.

 

Oh, and finally it looks like the Russian asset Trump is coming, probably the biggest ace they have up their sleeve.

 

As the war in Ukraine approaches its second anniversary, the majority of troops holding back President Putin’s invading army are middle-aged men whose diminished physical capacities are complicating Kyiv’s military planning.
“The average age of a soldier in my battalion is 45,” said Dmytro Berlym, a commander with Ukraine’s 32nd brigade, speaking near Kupiansk, a besieged town near the border with Russia. “At that age, it’s hard to fulfil tasks. For some, even carrying ammunition and body armour to the frontline positions is tough.” There was no influx of younger soldiers to shoulder the burden, and those doing the fighting kept dying, he added. “People are running out and the quality of reinforcements is getting lower and lower each time.”

 

https://archive.is/1W4Nt

Edited March 23 by beautifulthailand99

[beautifulthailand99]

7 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

Well, for one thing, while Russia and Iran are to some extent in alliance as you say, “Islamic Iran” is a Shi’a state and ISIS is Sunni, and these two branches of Islam have been in theological and often military conflict for 1,500 years. (Although it can get murky depending on a perceived third-party enemy: Iran supports Hamas, for instance, which is largely a Sunni entity.) As for your further speculation, while the US government has indeed engaged in “murky alliances of convenience” in the past and shown little regard for collateral damage, that makes no sense in this case, and as stated elsewhere US intelligence through some back channel did warn the Russians about chatter they’d tapped into leading up to this horrific attack.

I concede that point it was idle musing of work in progress, and your points are correct and well-made. If we wanted to make a chain of connection, the CIA funded and supported the Mujahedin and Bin Laden in the war against the Russians in Afghanistan and ISIS was born in the chaos of the US war in Iraq -second iteration. The blowback from that mistake continues to this day.

[beautifulthailand99]

The Ukrainians are trolling saying that Putin was behind the attack.

 

There were some knee-jerk responses from Moscow suggesting a Ukrainian connection. Dmitry Medvedev, the former president and now one of the most toxic and outspoken of Russian commentators, warned that “if it is established that these are terrorists affiliated with the Kyiv regime” then they must be “ruthlessly exterminated”. Likewise, a spokesman for Ukrainian military intelligence called the attack a “deliberate provocation by Putin’s special services”.

 

https://archive.is/gcZ6t

[ozimoron]

 

[Tug]

Sadly it’s up to 133 dead and over 100 injured msm didn’t specify how they died,bullets or fire it sucks dead is dead seems Putin is pushing a Ukrainian angle most likely trying to drum up support for his war crime in Ukraine.my anger sorrow and revulsion for this crime perpetrated on the Russian people da** cowards! 

[ozimoron]

18 minutes ago, Tug said:

Sadly it’s up to 133 dead and over 100 injured msm didn’t specify how they died,bullets or fire it sucks dead is dead seems Putin is pushing a Ukrainian angle most likely trying to drum up support for his war crime in Ukraine.my anger sorrow and revulsion for this crime perpetrated on the Russian people da** cowards! 

 

The video I quoted above claims that the perps were Taliban ISIS who have hated Russia since their invasion in the 80's.

[ozimoron]