Barred from Europe: 2.4m Brits caught in post-Brexit passport chaos

[candide]

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

The EU's membership has grown during the period you quote and the Euro didn't come into existence until 1999, so a direct comparison is impossible. 

 

I don't think that the following is a particularly useful comparison but the dollar/mark exchange rate remained relatively stable over the period in question while the (French) franc trended downwards.

In particular, two key events occured at the beginning of the 70s: the definitive end of the Bretton-Wood system, and the oil shock.

 

Additionally, UK was the sick man of Europe at that time. Looking at the chart I posted, it could be considered that joining the EC/EU has allowed UK to re-establish the basis of a competitive economy, until it left.

[RayC]

17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Not solely, but it has added to their mounting problems. 

 

 

Maybe ask the German finance minister.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67105143

 

 

Sounds like they're wishing they'd offered us a better deal when Cameron asked for one, instead of treating us like the dumb Uncle that could be tapped up for some cash as and when required, and then ignored. 

 

Ah well, too late now. Thankfully.

 

I remember reading the BBC article which you quote and thinking it was interesting. Not much (anything?) in it to support the idea that Brexit has had any economic benefits.

 

However, in the interests of balance It should be pointed out that not everyone agrees with the German Finance Ministers analysis. It appears that a pro-Brexit 'think tank' believes that Brexit hasn't negatively affected German exports

 

https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/it-is-a-myth-that-brexit-has-damaged-uk-german-trade/

 

Personally, I agree with Michel Barnier: There are no winners from Brexit. Both the UK and the EU member states (some more than others) are suffering as a result of it which, imo makes the decision all the more bone-headed.

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, Black arab said:

Have you ever looked at the exchange rate 

I've been looking at the exchange rate since I first came her just short of 30 years ago ,  It was around 40 baht to the pound in those days, A couple of years later , I think around 1997/98 I was quite surprised when I got off the plane at don muang and went to change some money as it was around 90 baht to the pound, Nothing to do with brexit then was it ?  As I have said before there are numerous factors which affect exchange rates its not all about brexit

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

Whether the pound was over valued at the time of the referendum is debatable but, as JayClay points out, an overnight fall in the value of sterling of 20% is not a correction, it is a collapse. This was solely attributable to the decision to leave the EU.

 

How long ago was that now ?

Nearly 8 years ago 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

How long ago was that now ?

Nearly 8 years ago 

 

Why does the date matter?

 

An overnight fall of 10% in the £/$ exchange rate and 7% against the Euro on 23/6/16 is still a collapse, not a managed correction.

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, RayC said:

 

Why does the date matter?

 

An overnight fall of 10% in the £/$ exchange rate and 7% against the Euro on 23/6/16 is still a collapse, not a managed correction.

 

  I would have thought that you have gotton bored with talking about it by now .

[RayC]

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I would have thought that you have gotton bored with talking about it by now .

 

I'm bored with continually correcting those who refuse to accept the overwhelming body of evidence which shows that Brexit has had a negative economic effect.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I'm bored with continually correcting those who refuse to accept the overwhelming body of evidence which shows that Brexit has had a negative economic effect.

 

   Seems to be just you and Jayclay going on about the exchange rate 8 years ago and no one is saying that there wasn't a drop in the Pound 8 years ago .

   You are not correcting anyone , because no one is saying that there wasn't a drop 8 years ago 

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Seems to be just you and Jayclay going on about the exchange rate 8 years ago and no one is saying that there wasn't a drop in the Pound 8 years ago .

   You are not correcting anyone , because no one is saying that there wasn't a drop 8 years ago 

 

I said that I was correcting those who refuse to accept that Brexit has had a negative economic effect despite the ever increasing amount of evidence which suggests that it has.

 

Maybe you should pay a bit more attention to what's actually written.

[Nick Carter icp]

17 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

I said that I was correcting those who refuse to accept that Brexit has had a negative economic effect despite the ever increasing amount of evidence which suggests that it has.

 

Maybe you should pay a bit more attention to what's actually written.

 

   You were commenting on what happened on the day of Brexit vote and the exchange rate , you weren't commenting on the effects of Brexit after that date 

[Bday Prang]

26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You were commenting on what happened on the day of Brexit vote and the exchange rate , you weren't commenting on the effects of Brexit after that date 

So desperate are some people to clutch at anything negative regarding brexit that we now have a three page thread as a result of a few retards who failed to familiarise themselves with passport regulations.   The vast majority of people in the uk don't even give brexit a second thought regardless of what "the surveys" might suggest, but there are still one or two who , for whatever reason just can't accept the results of the referendum because it didn't suit them personally.  It really is time they got over themselves, this is what democracy is all about

 

Edited March 29 by Bday Prang

[bradiston]

4 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

So desperate are some people to clutch at anything negative regarding brexit that we now have a three page thread as a result of a few retards who failed to familiarise themselves with passport regulations.   The vast majority of people in the uk don't even give brexit a second thought regardless of what "the surveys" might suggest, but there are still one or two who , for whatever reason just can't accept the results of the referendum because it didn't suit them personally.  It really is time they got over themselves, this is what democracy is all about

 

Why don't you admit it was a total disaster? Or show me the upside? And quoting "the vast majority of people" is such an old hack!

[Chomper Higgot]

6 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

It really is time they got over themselves, this is what democracy is all about

Like there’s never going to be another vote on the matter?

 

 

 

[Bday Prang]

5 hours ago, bradiston said:

Why don't you admit it was a total disaster? Or show me the upside? And quoting "the vast majority of people" is such an old hack!

             Possibly because for me and everybody I know there has been absolutely no negative consequences. I spent 6 months in the UK last year and I did not hear one person even mention the word "brexit"        In fact the only time I ever hear the "brexit" word is from a couple of whingeing expats on this forum. 

              Show you the upside ?   I don't even know if for me personally  there has been  an upside,  and even if there was, trying to explain it to the likes of you would be akin to trying to convince the pope that there is no such thing as god.  

              For me and many others life continues unchanged, maybe we are all just blissfully ignorant, but I much prefer to be like that, rather than crying and moaning about it at every opportunity on threads like this.  Perhaps you could show me the upside of behaving like a spoilt child , has the whingeing had a positive effect on your quality of life?   I very much doubt it . 

              You could spend the rest of your life crying about this, or, take a deep breath and just get on with life  the choice is yours

Edited March 30 by Bday Prang

[Bday Prang]

18 hours ago, bradiston said:

You wouldn't happen to have a list of benefits of leaving would you? I mean in real terms, not ideological terms. Taking back control? Bwahahahahaha.

No I don't,  why would I ,    I don't have a list of drawbacks either, again why would I     What sort of person sits at home compiling pointless lists?  No need to answer that by the way  

[Bday Prang]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Like there’s never going to be another vote on the matter?

 

 

 

Well  unlike you I don't have the ability to see into the future,  But out of interest did your sixth sense accurately predict the results of the last referendum?   

[stevenl]

6 hours ago, bradiston said:

Why don't you admit it was a total disaster? Or show me the upside? And quoting "the vast majority of people" is such an old hack!

He already did, he has a blue passport.

[ignis]

21 hours ago, nglodnig said:

Checked my wifes passport (I've got the new "blue" [actually more black] one) - issued march 2015, expires June 2025. So - need to get a new one before March next year but otherswise she's safe to return to Europe.

 

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(I've got the new "blue" [actually more black] one

I had expected this colour when I renewed mine in 2018, but I got a red one...  Valid to May 2029 with the added months because I renewed early

 

I read somewhere Red UK Passport will not be accepted in some places/Countries ??  I still have over 4 years to run on mine Confused  ??

[bradiston]

3 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

No I don't,  why would I ,    I don't have a list of drawbacks either, again why would I     What sort of person sits at home compiling pointless lists?  No need to answer that by the way  

Title of thread "Barred from Europe: 2.4m Brits caught in post-Brexit passport chaos". Note the reference to post-Brexit. You've posted 12 times. Just get over it! Time to move on!

[Bday Prang]

36 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Title of thread "Barred from Europe: 2.4m Brits caught in post-Brexit passport chaos". Note the reference to post-Brexit. You've posted 12 times. Just get over it! Time to move on!

 

well at least you are correct about the title of the thread well done!   Unfortunately you got the number of my posts wrong so probably best to freshen up on the counting.  Not really sure what the point of your reply was supposed to be, but i suggest you take your own advice

[Bday Prang]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

He already did, he has a blue passport.

Don't really care what colour my passport is , but on reflection its nice to be identified as different from the rest of the eurotrash

When will the remaining members of the EU stop using the english language?  should you all not consider communicating in German,? after all if it wasn't for the british you probably would be by now

Edited March 30 by Bday Prang
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[bradiston]

22 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Don't really care what colour my passport is , but on reflection its nice to be identified as different from the rest of the eurotrash

When will the remaining members of the EU stop using the english language?  should you all not consider communicating in German,? after all if it wasn't for the british you probably would be by now

Euro trash?

 

You mean, if it wasn't for the Yanks, and Hitler deciding to invade Russia instead of us. But history lessons are frowned upon here.

 

I had a friend who was rabidly pro Brexit. Bullied, trolled and abused anyone speaking out against it. Soon after the vote took place, all he could come out with was, guess what, "Get over it. It's democracy. Move on." The bloody cheek of it! Ruined millions of people's plans for living, working, and travelling in Europe. And that's just for starters. He spends 6 months of the year here, and the rest divided between France, Turkey and his model village in the UK. Farage got himself an EC passport and moved to France. And Johnson? Who cares? He has Czech citizenship I believe.

[nauseus]

On 3/29/2024 at 2:01 PM, candide said:

The current rate may increase or decrease....

A retrospective look confirms the GPB rate has been lower than the pre-referendum rate for most of the last seven years.

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=THB&view=10Y

 

Pointless throwing the Baht into this. It's had its own ups and downs.

[nauseus]

On 3/29/2024 at 2:22 PM, DaLa said:

Here's a thought on the subject seeing as we are picking dates to suit the rhetoric on the effect of 1 event.

 

In December 1971 the £ was trading at $2.43. We joined the EU in January 1972 and from then until the UK left the organisation the £ sterling really did plummet , halved in value to £1.27.

 

What does that say regarding  the membership of the EU?  Apply the same logic please.

 

EEC Jan 73!!!!!

[candide]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Pointless throwing the Baht into this. It's had its own ups and downs.

That's why I also posted about Euro and USD

[RayC]

22 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You were commenting on what happened on the day of Brexit vote and the exchange rate , you weren't commenting on the effects of Brexit after that date 

 

I replied to your contention that the drop in the value of the pound was good for the UK. I also replied to another poster who attributed Germany's current economic woes to Brexit.

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 3/29/2024 at 3:19 PM, JonnyF said:

Not solely, but it has added to their mounting problems. 

 

Maybe ask the German finance minister.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67105143

 

 

Sounds like they're wishing they'd offered us a better deal when Cameron asked for one, instead of treating us like the dumb Uncle that could be tapped up for some cash as and when required, and then ignored. 

 

Ah well, too late now. Thankfully.

German exports to the UK represented only 4.6% of Germany's exports in 2022. So a 14% improvement in that would only have increased total German exports by 0.6%.

 

German foreign trade in figures

 

So even if the drop in exports to the UK has added to their problems, it has only been by a tiny, tiny amount.

[RayC]

On 3/30/2024 at 2:17 AM, Bday Prang said:

             Possibly because for me and everybody I know there has been absolutely no negative consequences. I spent 6 months in the UK last year and I did not hear one person even mention the word "brexit"        In fact the only time I ever hear the "brexit" word is from a couple of whingeing expats on this forum. 

              Show you the upside ?   I don't even know if for me personally  there has been  an upside,  and even if there was, trying to explain it to the likes of you would be akin to trying to convince the pope that there is no such thing as god.  

              For me and many others life continues unchanged, maybe we are all just blissfully ignorant, but I much prefer to be like that, rather than crying and moaning about it at every opportunity on threads like this.  Perhaps you could show me the upside of behaving like a spoilt child , has the whingeing had a positive effect on your quality of life?   I very much doubt it . 

              You could spend the rest of your life crying about this, or, take a deep breath and just get on with life  the choice is yours

 

It's estimated that Brexit added +/-0.6% to the UK inflation rate on an annual basis. Certainly not a positive but not an absolute financial disaster either.  I'd also agree that for the vast majority of the UK public, Brexit has had few direct effects - either positive or negative - on their day-to-day lives.

 

However, for the +/-25% of UK SMEs, who either export to/ import from the EU or form part of a supply chain with EU components, it has caused major financial and logistical problems. In addition,for those of us individuals who were living and working in an EU state at the time of the referendum, the decision to leave introduced a great deal of uncertainty and stress and did directly affect our day-to-day lives.

 

And for what? Change often brings benefits for the majority whilst having unintended negative consequences for the few. I was one of the 'losers' from Brexit. If you - or anyone else - can point to any substantial benefits as a result of Brexit then I might stop my griping and accept that it was for the greater good.

 

In the meantime, I'll continue to deride this avoidable act of sado-masochism by the UK. I certainly won't take advice from those living 7000 miles away - many of whom have no intention of returning to the UK to live - extolling the non-existence virtues of Brexit and advising me to get over it.

 

(Note: Despite protestations from both sides during the Brexit negotiations that the individual rights of EU or UK nationals wouldn't be used as bargaining tools, that is exactly what happened. I have equal contempt for both the EU (member states) and the UK in this regard).