Popular Post Social Media Posted April 19 Popular Post Share Posted April 19 In a candid and exclusive interview with Sky News, senior Hezbollah figure Ibrahim Moussawi delivered a stark warning: violence will persist in the Middle East until the Gaza war comes to an end. Moussawi, a spokesperson for Hezbollah, minced no words as he criticized Western powers, scoffed at Israel's actions, and cautioned against further escalation in the region. According to Moussawi, the ongoing violence in the Middle East is intrinsically linked to the conflict in Gaza. He emphasized that until the root causes of the Gaza war are addressed, peace will remain elusive. Moussawi also issued a stern warning to Israel, asserting that continued provocation of Iran will yield significant consequences. Moussawi highlighted the complex dynamics at play, suggesting that Western powers are primarily motivated by their own strategic interests rather than genuine humanitarian concerns. He criticized Western countries for their complicity in supplying Israel with military equipment, which he argues perpetuates the cycle of violence in the region. For Moussawi, the responsibility for de-escalating the crisis rests squarely with the West. He called on Western governments to halt their support for Israel and to intervene decisively to end the aggression against Gaza. Moussawi argued that only by addressing the underlying causes of the conflict can lasting peace be achieved. Regarding recent Israeli strikes in Iran, Moussawi downplayed their significance, suggesting that they were aimed at saving face rather than achieving any meaningful military objective. He expressed skepticism about the efficacy of such actions and emphasized the need for a more constructive approach to resolving regional tensions. Moussawi's comments offer a sobering assessment of the current situation in the Middle East. Against a backdrop of escalating violence and geopolitical maneuvering, his words serve as a reminder of the urgent need for dialogue, diplomacy, and concerted international action to de-escalate tensions and pave the way for a lasting peace in the region. 2024.04.20 Source 1 3 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skipalongcassidy Posted April 19 Popular Post Share Posted April 19 "According to Moussawi, the ongoing violence in the Middle East is intrinsically linked to the conflict in Gaza. He emphasized that until the root causes of the Gaza war are addressed, peace will remain elusive." Then all he has to do is have the hateful terrorist muslims stop murdering people and there will be peace. 1 1 1 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Albaby Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 When all the muslims convert to Christianity, Buddhism Hinduism etc, there will be peace. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wombat Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 I can't ever see that happening 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wombat Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 6 minutes ago, Albaby said: When all the muslims convert to Christianity, Buddhism Hinduism etc, there will be peace. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 18 minutes ago, Albaby said: When all the muslims convert to Christianity, Buddhism Hinduism etc, there will be peace. Why? Christians have shed a lot of blood in the middle east especially during the crusades when it was sanctified by the pope. Buddhists and Hindus don't try converting others so no chance there. There has always been violence in the middle east since the middle ages, why should it stop now? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john donson Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 7 minutes ago, soalbundy said: Why? Christians have shed a lot of blood in the middle east especially during the crusades apparently NOT ENOUGH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post newbee2022 Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 7 hours ago, Skipalongcassidy said: "According to Moussawi, the ongoing violence in the Middle East is intrinsically linked to the conflict in Gaza. He emphasized that until the root causes of the Gaza war are addressed, peace will remain elusive." Then all he has to do is have the hateful terrorist muslims stop murdering people and there will be peace. ...and where are the hateful murdering Muslims? All what I can see are hateful murdering Jews! 😳 1 2 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Albaby Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 Christianity has reformed over the centuries. Islam has not. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 4 minutes ago, john donson said: apparently NOT ENOUGH Before or at the beginning of the middle ages the Arab world was THE seat of learning and progress, Christians, Muslims and Jews all lived peacefully together. Great progress was made there in physiology, astronomy, mathematics and philosophy.....unfortunately much has changed, politics and religion are great hindrances to peace and knowledge....oil hasn't helped much either. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 8 minutes ago, Albaby said: Christianity has reformed over the centuries. Islam has not. Christianity was dragged screaming and kicking into the modern world by the light of reason and science and even then it took hundreds of years (and deaths). In America there are still many places where the reformation and the age of reason hasn't yet arrived. You say reformed....an interesting quote by Sri Nisargadatta a 20th century Indian spiritual teacher, "That which is real doesn't change, that which changes isn't real". He wasn't referring to religion which becomes apparent when another of his quotes is read, "You are not the body nor are you the mind...there is no body". 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 35 minutes ago, soalbundy said: There has always been violence in the middle east since the middle ages, why should it stop now? I thought the violence went way further back in time. At least as far back as the Jews with the Ark of the Covenant destroyed (genocide?) entire groups of people at God's suggestion( was he that gave them the power of the Ark). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 7 hours ago, Social Media said: senior Hezbollah figure Ibrahim Moussawi delivered a stark warning: violence will persist in the Middle East until the Gaza war comes to an end. I don't think so. Here is a short list of List of modern conflicts in the Middle East, note: only since 1902 Date Conflict Location Casualties 1902–1932 Unification of Saudi Arabia[a] Riyadh Hejaz Kuwait Nejd Transjordan Mandatory Iraq Nejd and Hejaz 8,000–9,000 1909–1910 Zaraniq rebellion Ottoman Empire 830+ 1914–1918 Middle Eastern theatre of World War I[p] Ottoman Empire Persia Egypt Nejd and Hasa Jabal Shammar Kuwait Lahej Armenia Azerbaijan Ottoman Empire deaths including civilians: 2,825,000[3][4][5]–5,000,000[6] Allied killed, wounded, captured or missing: 1,000,000–1,500,000 [citation needed] Persians died by famine or disease, excluding influenza: 2,000,000[7][8][9] 1918–1922 Simko Shikak revolt[10] Persia 1,000–5,500 1919 Egyptian Revolution of 1919[11] Egypt 3,000 1919–1923 Turkish War of Independence [b] Ottoman Empire Greece Armenia Soviet Union 170,500–873,000 1919–2003 Iraqi–Kurdish conflict [c] Mandatory Iraq Kingdom of Iraq Iraq Kingdom of Kurdistan 139,000–320,000 killed 1920 Franco-Syrian War Arab Kingdom of Syria OETA 5,000 1920 Iraqi revolt against the British[12][13] Mandatory Iraq 2,050–9,000 1921–1948[l] Sectarian conflict in Mandatory Palestine Mandatory Palestine 7,813 1923 Adwan Rebellion Transjordan 100 1925–1927 Great Syrian Revolt (Druze War)[14] Greater Lebanon State of Syria Jabal Druze Alawite State 8,000–12,000 1925 Sheikh Said rebellion[15] Turkey 15,000–250,500 1930 Ararat rebellion[16][17][18][19][20] Turkey Republic of Ararat 4,500–47,000 1933 Simele massacre[21] Kingdom of Iraq 3,000 1934 Saudi-Yemeni War[22] Saudi Arabia Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen 2,100 1935 Imam Reza shrine rebellion[23] Iran 151 1935–1936 1935–1936 Iraqi Shia revolts Iraq 500 1935 1935 Yazidi revolt[21] Iraq 200 1936 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine 1937 Dersim rebellion[24] Turkey 40,000–70,000 1939–1945 Mediterranean and Middle East theatre of World War II · Italian invasion of Egypt · Bombing of Bahrain in World War II · Italian bombing of Mandatory Palestine in World War II · Anglo-Iraqi War · Syria–Lebanon campaign · Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran Iraq Iran French Mandate for Syria and the Lebanon Mandatory Palestine ≈16,000[citation needed] 1946 Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine 1946 Egyptian Student Riots[25][26] Egypt 100–300 1946 Iran crisis of 1946[2][15][e] Iran Republic of Mahabad Azerbaijan People's Government 2,000 1948– Arab–Israeli conflict[f] Egypt All-Palestine Government Egypt United Arab Republic Syrian Republic Ba'athist Syria Jordan Lebanon Israel Palestinian Authority 73,000–84,000 1948 Alwaziri coup[2] Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen 4,000–5,000 1948 Al-Wathbah uprising Iraq 300–400 1952 Egyptian revolution of 1952[2] Egypt 1,000 1953 1953 Iranian coup d'état[2][15][27] Iran 300–800 1954–1960 Jebel Akhdar War[15] Muscat and Oman 100–523 1955–1959 Cyprus Emergency[28][29] Cyprus 400–600 1956 Suez Crisis 1956–1960 Yemeni–Adenese clan violence[2] Aden 1,000 1958 1958 Lebanon Crisis[2][11][29] Lebanon 1,300–4,000 1958 1958 Iraqi Revolution[2] Arab Federation 100 1959 1959 Mosul uprising[2] Iraqi Republic 2,000–4,000 1962–1970 North Yemen Civil War[30][31][g] North Yemen Saudi Arabia Egypt 100,000–200,000 1962–1975 Dhofar Rebellion[15] Oman 10,000 1963 1963 Riots in Iran[15] Iran 100 1963 February 1963 Ba'athist Iraqi coup[32] Iraq 1,000 1963 8th of March Syrian Revolution[33] United Arab Republic Syria 820 1963–1967 Aden Emergency[34] Federation of South Arabia South Yemen 2,096 1963 November 1963 Iraqi coup[32] Iraq 250 1964 1964 Hama riot[35][36] Syria 70–100 1966 1966 neo-Ba'athist coup d'état in Syria[15] Syria 400 1966 1966 Arif Abd ar-Razzaq second coup[37] Iraq 80–100 1970–1971 Black September[29] Jordan 2,000–25,000 1972 Yemenite War of 1972 South Yemen North Yemen 100+ 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus[22][38] Cyprus 1,500–5,000 1974 Shatt al-Arab clashes[39] Iran 1,000 1975–1990 Lebanese Civil War[40][h] Lebanon 150,000 1976–1980 Political violence in Turkey (1976–1980)[41][42][43] Turkey 5,000–5,388 1978–1982 NDF Rebellion North Yemen 100+ 1978– Kurdish–Turkish conflict (1978–present)[44] Turkey Iraqi Kurdistan Iraq 30,000–100,000 1979 Yemenite War of 1979 South Yemen North Yemen 1,000+ 1979 Iranian Revolution[45][46] Iran 3,164–60,000 1979–1980 Consolidation of the Iranian Revolution [i] Iran 10,171 1979–1983 Saudi Eastern Province unrest[47] Saudi Arabia 182–219 1979 Grand Mosque seizure[48] Saudi Arabia 307 1979–1982 Islamist uprising in Syria Syria 40,000+ 1980 1980 Turkish coup d'état[49][50] Turkey 127–550 1980 1980 Sadr uprising[51] Iraq 1,000–30,000 1980–1988 Iran–Iraq War[22][52][j] Iran Iraq Kuwait 1,000,000–1,250,000 1986 South Yemen Civil War[53] South Yemen 5,000–12,000 1986 1986 Egyptian Conscription Riot[54] Egypt 107 1986 1986 Damascus bombings[55] Syria 204 1987 Iranian pilgrim riot (Mecca massacre)[56] Saudi Arabia 402 1987–1988 ANO Executions Lebanon Syria 170 1989–1996 KDPI insurgency (1989–1996) Iran 168–503 1990–1991 Gulf War[40] Iraq Kuwait Saudi Arabia 40,000–57,000 1991 1991 Iraqi uprisings[51][57] Iraq 50,000–100,000 1994 1994 civil war in Yemen Yemen 7,000–10,000 1995– Islamic Insurgency in Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 300 1998 Operation Desert Fox[28][29] (Iraqi no-fly zones) Iraq 2,000 1999 1999 Shia uprising in Iraq[15][58] Iraq 100–200 2003–2011 Iraq War[59][60][61][62][63][64][k] Ba'athist Iraq Iraq 109,032–650,726 See also: Casualties of the Iraq War 2004 Qamishli massacre (2004)[65][66] Syria 30–100 2004–2014 Shia insurgency in Yemen[67][68][69] Saudi Arabia Yemen 8,500–25,000 2004– Iran–PJAK conflict[70] Iran 588–747 2006– Fatah–Hamas conflict[71][72] Palestinian Authority Gaza Strip 600+ 2006– Iran–Israel proxy conflict Iran Israel ≈2000 2007 Nahr al-Bared fighting Lebanon 480 2008 2008 Lebanon conflict Lebanon 105 2009–2015 South Yemen Insurgency[73] Yemen 2,100+ 2010–2015 Yemeni al-Qaeda crackdown[74][75] Yemen 3,000+ 2011 2011 Bahraini uprising Bahrain Saudi Arabia 100+ 2011– Shia insurgency in Bahrain Bahrain 22+ 2011–2014 Egyptian crisis (2011–14)[m] Egypt 7,000+ 2011– Yemeni Crisis (2011–present)[a] Yemen 9,000+ 2011– Syrian Civil War[n] Syria 503,064–613,407 + 2011–2017 Syrian Civil War spillover in Lebanon Lebanon ≈800 2011– Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict Saudi Arabia Iran 2013–2017 War in Iraq (2013–2017)[n] Iraq 155,500–165,500+ 2015– Yemeni Civil War[b] · Saudi Arabian–led intervention in Yemen Yemen Saudi Arabia United Arab Emirates 377,000+ 2016– Western Iran clashes Iran 74–156 15–16 July 2016 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt Turkey 270–350 2017 2017 Iraqi–Kurdish conflict Iraq +305 2017– Iraqi insurgency (2017–present) Iraq 4,000+ 2023– Israel–Hamas war[c] Israel West Bank Gaza Strip 34,000+ 2023– Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) Israel Lebanon 400+ 2023– Red Sea crisis Yemen Israel Red Sea Gulf of Aden 40+ 2024– 2024 Iran–Israel conflict Iran Israel Jordan Syria Iraq Yemen Lebanon 20+ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing 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soalbundy Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 minutes ago, IAMHERE said: I thought the violence went way further back in time. At least as far back as the Jews with the Ark of the Covenant destroyed (genocide?) entire groups of people at God's suggestion( was he that gave them the power of the Ark). Yes but that flavour of violence was world wide, man is a very violent animal, one would have to go back as far as the era of the hunter gatherers, before land possession, to find relative peace among humans. peaceful coexistence as exhibited in some Arab nations at that time was quite rare and didn't last long, the one overarching similarity among human beings is greed, it is even apparent in small children, it isn't taught, unlike religion or racism which isn't inherent in children. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malathione Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 What a ridiculous statement. Want peace in the Middle East (relative peace)? Destroy Iran and all of its proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis, et al. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loong Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, Albaby said: When all the muslims convert to Christianity, Buddhism Hinduism etc, there will be peace. If a savage muslim converts to Christianity, Buddhism Hinduism etc, they will probably still be a savage! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, soalbundy said: Why? Christians have shed a lot of blood in the middle east especially during the crusades when it was sanctified by the pope. Buddhists and Hindus don't try converting others so no chance there. There has always been violence in the middle east since the middle ages, why should it stop now? Never heard about violence against Muslims in India and Myanmar? Even what seems to be the most tolerant religion (Buddhism) is not exempt of religious violence. The main issue is not so much religion itself, than people (usually men) who want to have power by using religion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post loong Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, newbee2022 said: ...and where are the hateful murdering Muslims? All what I can see are hateful murdering Jews! 😳 Did you miss what happened on the 7th of October last year? You don't think that it was hateful, murdering Muslim savages that attacked Israeli citizens? The Palestinians started the war and what did they expect Israel to do? Slap their hands and ask them not to do it again? 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 3 minutes ago, candide said: Never heard about violence against Muslims in India and Myanmar? Even what seems to be the most tolerant religion (Buddhism) is not exempt of religious violence. The main issue is not so much religion itself, than people (usually men) who want to have power by using religion. Yes indeed, violence isn't reserved to one region or one religion (although Buddhism is an outlier because firstly it is a philosophy [a spiritual one without a God] not a religion as such and secondly violent episodes involving Buddhism as a movement is rare). Religious violence is always emotional among the sheep which can be often used by powerful entities for wealth and power, even a dictator needs a moral excuse for a land grab. Having said that religions are a powerful unifying factor in a society which gives it stability, which is why it was invented and why non believers are burnt at the stake or beheaded, non believers threaten society's stability 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, soalbundy said: Before or at the beginning of the middle ages the Arab world was THE seat of learning and progress, Christians, Muslims and Jews all lived peacefully together. Great progress was made there in physiology, astronomy, mathematics and philosophy.....unfortunately much has changed, politics and religion are great hindrances to peace and knowledge....oil hasn't helped much either. Arabs were rather smart at that time (and later the Ottomans). They were governing very large territories, but actually they were very few people. So they had to find ways to be accepted by the local people. Hence the special status granted to Christians and Jews. For the same reason, they initially had very few scientists, writers, artists and administrators. They also were often smart about conversions. Non-Muslim were tolerated, but had some economic drawbacks, such as paying more tax or being barred from lucrative occupations, so there was a strong economic motive to convert to Islam. Edited April 20 by candide 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbee2022 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 35 minutes ago, loong said: Did you miss what happened on the 7th of October last year? You don't think that it was hateful, murdering Muslim savages that attacked Israeli citizens? The Palestinians started the war and what did they expect Israel to do? Slap their hands and ask them not to do it again? We are now in 2024. April. Where have you been in the meantime????😳 You missed the massacre, murdering 30.000 of innocent women and children in Gaza?? 😳 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wobblybob Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 1 minute ago, newbee2022 said: We are now in 2024. April. Where have you been in the meantime????😳 You missed the massacre, murdering 30.000 of innocent women and children in Gaza?? 😳 And your point is meaningless, there are still Hamas terrorists to be despatched or captured, there are hostages to retrieve and more to the point you are parroting the figures of the lying terrorists themselves. You might want to conveniently forget 7/10 but it will never be forgotten by the families and people who choose not to excuse these phycopathic monsters. 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said: We are now in 2024. April. Where have you been in the meantime????😳 You missed the massacre, murdering 30.000 of innocent women and children in Gaza?? 😳 I also missed the the murdering massacre of 30,000 women and kids yet I’ve been following this since 10th Oct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted April 20 Popular Post Share Posted April 20 16 minutes ago, newbee2022 said: We are now in 2024. April. Where have you been in the meantime????😳 You missed the massacre, murdering 30.000 of innocent women and children in Gaza?? 😳 That isn't true , that is Hamas lies . Do not believe anything Hamas say , its unlikely to have any truth in it what so ever 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 5 minutes ago, candide said: Arabs were rather smart at that time (and later the Ottomans). They were governing very large territories, but actually they were very few people. So they had to find ways to be accepted by the local people. Hence the special status granted to Christians and Jews. For the same reason, they initially had very few scientists, writers, artists and administrators. They also were often smart about conversions. Non-Muslim were tolerated, but had some economic drawbacks, such as paying more tax or being barred from lucrative occupations, so there was a strong economic motive to convert to Islam. Rather like the Jews in Europe, the only occupation left to them was as money lenders to the powerful which on the one side made them wealthy but made them vulnerabel (a pogrom could get rid of ones debt). The Templers found that out when the French king decided his debt was too large and they had a lot of land and cash. The Arabs certainly had astronomers, how else do you navigate through the desert if not by the stars. Their doctors, unlike the Europeans, had no qualms about dissecting dead bodies which increased their knowledge of the human body, many European doctors traveled there to learn from them. They also had good craftsmen and even traded with the Vikings (who they found to be dirty and violent). They had philosophers and writers, a famous one would be a Persian tent maker Omar Kyem who wrote the Rubaiyat of Omar Kyem, most people know the first line of one of his verses even today :- 'The moving hand doth write and having writ moves on nor all your piety nor wit shall cancel half a line nor all your tears wash out one word of it' He rebutted regret or the use of repentance, what's done is done, in fact he was rather scathing of religion in general, a wonder he survived. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtrnuno41 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 The only religion is money, wealth for a few. Religion with a god is a tool to work with. You indoctrinate, control, manipulate people with it. All countries have "leaders" and groups with their own personal gain(dictators). Nothing more, nothing less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbee2022 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 42 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: That isn't true , that is Hamas lies . Do not believe anything Hamas say , its unlikely to have any truth in it what so ever You're blind, blond and deaf? 😂😂😂. The figures are confirmed by Israel. You think both are telling lies? Israelis and Hamas? 😂😂😂 Oh dear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Just now, newbee2022 said: You're blind, blond and deaf? 😂😂😂. The figures are confirmed by Israel. You think both are telling lies? Israelis and Hamas? 😂😂😂 Oh dear Neither Israel or Hamas have stated that 30 000 innocent woman and children have died . You are mistaken in what you read . You can post a link if you want and I will point out your mistake for you 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbee2022 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Just now, Nick Carter icp said: Neither Israel or Hamas have stated that 30 000 innocent woman and children have died . You are mistaken in what you read . You can post a link if you want and I will point out your mistake for you 😂😂😂 Ask Netanyahu 😂😂😂. Honestly, the UN said this, Hamas said it, and Israel said it. There are all a bunch of liars? All governments around the world lie? Wow, it's not often that I met somebody ignoring the reality.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#:~:text=The%20vast%20majority%20of%20casualties,at%2066%25%20of%20those%20killed. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Carter icp Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Just now, newbee2022 said: 😂😂😂 Ask Netanyahu 😂😂😂. Honestly, the UN said this, Hamas said it, and Israel said it. There are all a bunch of liars? All governments around the world lie? Wow, it's not often that I met somebody ignoring the reality https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war#:~:text=The vast majority of casualties,at 66% of those killed. Those are the total number of causalities , everyone who has died in the war . Hamas terrorists , Palestinian civilians , IDF , hostages and Israeli civilians . 30 000 odd people who have died in the war You claimed that it was 30 000 innocent woman and Children in Gaza who have died . There , I have pointed out your mistake, as I said I would . About 13 000 of that 30 000 were Hamas members 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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