Aussie Woman Reveals Harrowing Tales from Infamous Thai Prison

[Graham8888]

6 hours ago, frank83628 said:

plenty of people have written books after drug convictions, it's not as if she went on a mass murder rampage. it is a bit different

What about the misery, death and cost to everyone else that herion causes

[Ralf001]

44 minutes ago, off road pat said:

She already payed dearly for her crime !!!

 

Nah, peddling heroin... shoulda been swung from a noose.

[Fairynuff]

6 hours ago, freeworld said:

Don't think so. Govt locking people up and then treating them inhumanely is not how its supposed to work. Of course she should be punished but for them to allow and treat prisoners as objects is not OK.

The angry brigade aren’t going to like this. 

[Mavideol]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Australian woman who spent seven gruelling years in a Thai prison for heroin trafficking,

heroin trafficking.... was she expected to move into a 5 start accommodation

[JensenZ]

3 hours ago, craighj said:

Who really cares?  She was a drug trafficker.  She should count herself lucky she was not executed.  Now she wants to profit from a book, silly B$#@h.

 

I'd rather be executed than go through that hell. IMO it was a fate worse than death, and she did well to survive it. She a lot tougher than all of the people commenting here.

[JensenZ]

15 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

heroin trafficking.... was she expected to move into a 5 start accommodation

Wake up! She figured if she was caught, it would be in Australia and serving time in better conditions.

[charleskerins]

7 hours ago, proton said:

The obligatory book full no doubt of self pity and exagerations

When is your book coming out titled "A Nattering Nabob  of Negativity"   ?

[natway09]

Difficult to have a lot of sympathy

[Shocked farang]

7 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Drug smuggler, now author. 

 

Looking for a buck. 

 

I read she also has an OnlyFans account. 

 

As far as I know it's a free market. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy her book, but if they think it's worth the price, good luck to her as a writer.

[Shocked farang]

13 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

I'd rather be executed than go through that hell. IMO it was a fate worse than death, and she did well to survive it. She a lot tougher than all of the people commenting here.

Not tough I would say, but definetly resilient. She looks quite Ok now.

[SAFETY FIRST]

2 minutes ago, Shocked farang said:

As far as I know it's a free market. Nobody is forcing anybody to buy her book, but if they think it's worth the price, good luck to her as a writer.

Oh dear, interesting. 

 

I thought that you would be a Shocked farang. 😂

 

[theblether]

White women can't handle being held accountable for their actions. 

 

Far too many think they are above the law - and free from consequence. 

 

You can see that in the imbalance in sentencing when they are caught. And there's a bizarre synergy. Women love nothing more than reading about other women behaving badly. 

 

Over 80% of published pornography and erotica is written by women. 50 Shades of Grey a prime example. "My time in a female foreign prison" is a prime example of the self pity genre. 

 

Still moaning about being caught twenty years later. Pitiful indeed. 

Edited May 16 by theblether

[fittobethaied]

Man, some of you guys are ruthless. You should be humbling yourselves and proclaiming "but for the grace of God, there goes I". Were you not young once and did some pretty foolish things? The only difference between you and Holly is that she got caught and you didn't. The real crime here is how the Thais treat prisoners. If there is one thing I have learned from living here for 14 years is that there is very little compassion, empathy and forgiveness extended to fellow human beings in this country. Feeding the fish and soi dogs for the sake of "making merit" takes priority over caring for their fellow man. Whatever happened to the concept of "an eye for an eye". The excessive punishment she received comes nowhere near to fitting the crime. 

[In Full Agreement]

4 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said:

My son was locked up in the Immigration jail for several days whilst his deportation was arranged. I understand all foreign "criminals"  who are locked up are subsequently deported. He was caught working without a permit...Hardly a criminal act!

 

 

 

I'd wager there are some members of this forum who'd like him drawn and quartered for such a heinous offense.

 

Many of this lot have little understanding or sympathy for others.

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, In Full Agreement said:

 

 

 

I'd wager there are some members of this forum who'd like him drawn and quartered for such a heinous offense.

 

Many of this lot have little understanding or sympathy for others.

 

   Do you think that people should work and not bother to get a work visa ?

   Don't bother with the rules and laws and just do what they want regardless . 

   For the people who take the time and expense to get the correct visas, wouldn't have much sympathy for those who don't bother getting the correct visa

[Nick Carter icp]

18 minutes ago, fittobethaied said:

Man, some of you guys are ruthless. You should be humbling yourselves and proclaiming "but for the grace of God, there goes I". Were you not young once and did some pretty foolish things? The only difference between you and Holly is that she got caught and you didn't. 

 

   Well I was young once but I didn't peddle drugs .

Its peoples choice , they smuggle drugs and they either get instantly rich or they go to jail .

   They would be waving at ne driving past in their Lamborghinis if they got away with it .

   The difference between me and Holly is that she smuggled drugs and I didn't 

[theblether]

I'll tell you something. It will be a cold day in hell when I have sympathy for drug traffickers. I've been to too many funerals, seen far too much horrendous carnage, and I mean horrendous. 

 

And yes, I know drug traffickers, guys that have served long sentences and now released. They are the scum of the earth, but on a par are the sanctimonious clowns who lecture us to have understanding.

 

For example, I've seen teenage boys swing blue from trees terrified of being slashed to pieces by dealers. They chose suicide. I can list dozens of examples where I knew the people who paid the price - including high profile incidents that ended up in newspapers. 

 

So for all you pleading understanding for drug traffickers, just be quiet, you are an embarrassment to all that is good in this world 

 

 

Edited May 16 by theblether

[Andre0720]

2 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Societies that show leniency towards the worst criminals do not show a reduction in crime.

I'm guessing that societies that take a harsh view towards serious crimes have many fewer criminals left to reoffend.

What do places like Vietnam, Singapore (and most Muslim) countries do with murderers and drug dealers ?
Little chance they'll ever re-offend - or write books about how hard they had it.

LONG read below. Feel free to skip it.
 

That's actually a (common) misquote and is misattributed apparently.

The actual quote:

Is misattributed to Dostoevsky though it's hard to find who may have originally come up with it. (I've done some searching and it's the consensus that Dostoevsky never wrote that quote - but no one is sure who actually did. Most quote sites give credit to him - but can't reference where the quote was written and it's NOT "Crime and Punishment" either.)

Dostoevsky had been arrested in 1849 and sentenced to death for being a member of a conspiracy plot. He was taken to a spot to be executed along with 8 others in late Dec. They were divided into 3 groups with Dostoevsky in the 2nd group. As the first group was being lined up to be shot, a courier arrived with a note from Tsar Nicholas I commuting their sentences. They were then sent to prison where Dostoevsky spent nearly 5 years in harsh conditions.
He was released in early 1854.
His book "House of the Dead" was published in 1861 and the first parts of Crime and Punishment 5 years later.

AND - it is very possible the quote does NOT mean what most people think it does.

While it may not have been Dostoevsky that wrote it, it probably was another Russian. Perhaps a friend or fellow writer.

And that person may have thought that locking people in prisons for life was cruel and unusual punishment and that they should be given quick, painless executions instead.

That is actually a sentiment that many people believe today, though many of them also don't believe in capital punishment. (Which begs the question they don't like being asked - if you won't execute prisoners and think locking them up for long periods is inhumane - then how do you think society should deal with murderers, rapists, drug dealers, war criminals and the like ?)

In any event - places like Thailand still believe that (poor) people who break the law should be punished. Not sent to country resorts where they spend their time idling in luxury at the taxpayer's expense. (That's saved for the rich, powerful and politically connected criminals of course.)

I mean - sheesh - a few years ago a Canadian with a long history of criminal convictions and prison time came to Thailand using "stolen" ID (that was never reported as stolen of course).
After a year here, he murdered his girlfriend, mutilated her face, dismembered her body and discarded the remains in a local swamp before hopping on a plane back to Canada - still using that "stolen" ID.

He was arrested - for violating his probation - and sent to prison. Thailand spent years trying to extradite him and was finally able to in what, 2010 ? He was sentenced to life in prison and sent to Bang Kwan.

5 years later his lawyer and a newspaper reporter in Toronto concocted a sob story about the poor guy suffering in a Thai prison for "half a decade" after being "wrongfully convicted" (because, in his opinion, he should have been tried for manslaughter, not murder).
(They deliberately used "half a decade" to try and make it sound longer than "5 years".)

He applied to the Canadian "Public Safety Minister" (a scumbag Liberal that never met a criminal - or terrorist - that he didn't want to set free and put back on the streets) for a Prisoner Transfer.

Which that Minister agreed to - even though he'd been personally informed (by me actually) about the guy's long criminal record and exactly what he'd done to that girl he murdered.

Didn't matter. Not only was the guy brought back to Canada almost immediately (and in secret) - he was released within a couple weeks !! FREE and clear ! NO probation or anything !

I found out when I read that he'd been arrested in Canada less than a year after he'd transferred, for a string of armed robberies he'd done after he'd been released !!

THAT is what "Canada" considers "punishment" for a career criminal that murdered a woman, chopped her body into pieces and threw it into a swamp.

How should a society like THAT be judged ? 

It seems in a lenient society, criminals are more likely to re-offend because they have NO fear of the consequences.
While in a harsh society, most criminals do not want to go to prison again because they DO fear the consequences.

 

WOW, just calm down.

Whoever wrote that phrase, Dostoevsky or someone else, I do believe that is has merit.

 

This lady in this instance was not a career criminal.

Ans should be punished, according to Thai law. That is not what the debate is about.

It is about how the punishment is handled...

If own son had made that mistake, involving a small quantity of drugs, and you would still believe that he deserves no better, then I would simply not like your morals.

People should be punished, but in a civilized manner.

Just check how Germany does it...

 

If it was a career criminal, having lead a group of gangster, selling large amount of drugs, or a gangster having killed people randomly, I would still think he he deserves the death penalty, but carried out in a civilize way.

 

Just the way I am...

[metisdead]

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[Mayhem11]

Shame on you all.

[Mayhem11]

Who are you RT555? I reported you for slanderous racism. I guess you have been outsmarted by Aussies you miserable piece of sh##te.

Edited May 16 by Mayhem11

[ChipButty]

8 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

This lady in this instance was not a career criminal.

A

 

Just the way I am...

I think you need to give your head a wobble, she smoked dope since the age of 10 she was an addict to heroin at 14 given to her bye her mother she was dealing then, she got locked up in Australia prior to this event for dealing heroin, She did a deal with some aussies who carried internally back to Aus and she met them there to take the gear off them, if that's not a career criminal then I don't know what one is, her whole life revolved around drugs and prostitution. 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Then my next assumption is you are BS..."

Yet another wrong assumption.  Making assumptions without anything to back them up is what is actual "BS".

 

"...as far as we all know..."

That's where you're going wrong, you're assuming (again!) that your lack of information somehow makes you knowledgeable on the subject.

 

"you claim to have been inside that prison as a prisoner. Why were you not deported ??"

It is not "a claim", it is a fact.  Not everyone is deported on release from Klong Prem. 

"...so please elaborate..."

Who are you?  Why should I provide specifics of my case on the internet to an anonymous stranger that could compromise my anonymity here.  Post a photo of you showing your passport details and I might. 

BS - because you refuse to give a reason why your claim that you have spent time in that Thai jail do not resport in deportation - therefore you are BS.  I dont want the details - I never asked for that - I only want to know what charge and conviction resulted in you being imprisoned and not deported.  Me thinks your claim was BS and I caught you out when you responded with some rhetoric about you know what it is like being in that prison and you then stated in answer to my gotcha question that you live in Thailand.  

 

Blocked - please do the same. 

[ChipButty]

A guy I know of, who got banged up in Thailand and for 3 days he slept next to a dead body 

[steven100]

1 hour ago, fittobethaied said:

The only difference between you and Holly is that she got caught and you didn't

 

no ....    she was Trafficking heroin and she deserves severe and harsh  punishment for all the young lives she ruined at her expense. 

 

[ChipButty]

5 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

BS - because you refuse to give a reason why your claim that you have spent time in that Thai jail do not resport in deportation - therefore you are BS.  I dont want the details - I never asked for that - I only want to know what charge and conviction resulted in you being imprisoned and not deported.  Me thinks your claim was BS and I caught you out when you responded with some rhetoric about you know what it is like being in that prison and you then stated in answer to my gotcha question that you live in Thailand.  

 

Blocked - please do the same. 

I blocked him a long time ago mate

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, off road pat said:

One doesn't have to exaggerate the horrors of Thai prisons !!! they are widely known !!! and others have written books about it !

"One doesn't have to exaggerate the horrors of Thai prisons!!!"

So why, without exception, do they always do so? 

Thai prisons, like all prisons, are not the kind of places anyone would want to spend any time but "the horrors" are only "widely known" as a result of reading exaggerated or completely fabricated accounts of what happens inside.  Just because an ex-prisoner writes a sensationalist book for money doesn't make it a work of non-fiction.

[Andre0720]

15 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I think you need to give your head a wobble, she smoked dope since the age of 10 she was an addict to heroin at 14 given to her bye her mother she was dealing then, she got locked up in Australia prior to this event for dealing heroin, She did a deal with some aussies who carried internally back to Aus and she met them there to take the gear off them, if that's not a career criminal then I don't know what one is, her whole life revolved around drugs and prostitution. 

Thanks for the info.

But I still think that she should be treated better than how she treated people. Society criticized her, judged her, punished her, but at the very least, society should appear to be better than her.

Treat her humanly. Incarcerated, with a bed, a toilet, and food.

Just the way I am.

[ChipButty]

6 minutes ago, steven100 said:

 

no ....    she was Trafficking heroin and she deserves severe and harsh  punishment for all the young lives she ruined at her expense. 

 

I agree with you and at 14 years ols she was probably dealing at school, 

[Liverpool Lou]

7 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

BS - because you refuse to give a reason why your claim that you have spent time in that Thai jail do not resport in deportation - therefore you are BS.  I dont want the details - I never asked for that - I only want to know what charge and conviction resulted in you being imprisoned and not deported.  Me thinks your claim was BS and I caught you out when you responded with some rhetoric about you know what it is like being in that prison and you then stated in answer to my gotcha question that you live in Thailand.  

What business is it of yours what I was charged with that put me in Klong Prem?   That is my personal business and how would your knowing the charge put you in a position to establish the veracity of my posts?   You did not "catch me out", at all, there was nothing to "catch me out" about and, yes, I do still live in Thailand.