Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

If someone invaded your house, would you negotiate with them, and maybe give them a few rooms?

Putin didn't invade any western country, so what is your point? I was talking about supporting a proxy war and I don't think we should.

No idea what your post is about.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The question is why you are so upset about Mexicans crossing the US border illegally, but are okay with Russians crossing the Ukrainian border illegally.

[jvs]

14 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Far be it from me to assume a mod role but one of esteemed ones did just remind us about acceptable sources and I'm not sure "Warthog Defense" You Tube channel falls into that.

For your information,knowing one of Putin's boys would react this way i have asked permission to post videos from this source.

It was accepted.

You can always report it of course.

Edited June 8 by jvs

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Putin didn't invade any western country, so what is your point? I was talking about supporting a proxy war and I don't think we should.

No idea what your post is about.

So as long as it's not a Western country, who cares.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So as long as it's not a Western country, who cares.

Did anyone care when Tibet got taken over?

Faux concern over Ukraine does not impress me.

 

Why would I care about who runs Ukraine? Give me a valid reason to do so.

I care more about what is happening in Burma, but there isn't much outrage in Europe about that, is there? Is that because they ain't Caucasian, or there isn't much profit in it for the 1%?

 

Next.

[jvs]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why would I care about who runs Ukraine? Give me a valid reason to do so.

Human decency?

So why are you a trump supporter?

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

For your information,knowing one of Putin's boys would react this way i have asked permission to post videos from this source.

It was accepted.

You can always report it of course.

Noted. And for your information I'm "not one of Putin's boys" as you put it but generally a pacifist from a Buddhist/Christian/socialist/realist school human analysis and would like to see an end to all wars. I shall add "Warthog Defense" to my list of trusted sources, though glorying in the destruction of anybody in war through watching battlefield videos is something I generally avoid in this war or any war for that matter as it seems to have become in some eyes a spectator sport or video game akin to watching snuff movies.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Noted. And for your information I'm "not one of Putin's boys" as you put it but generally a pacifist from a Buddhist/Christian/socialist/realist school human analysis and would like to see an end to all wars. I shall add "Warthog Defense" to my list of trusted sources, though glorying in the destruction of anybody in war through watching battlefield videos is something I generally avoid in this war or any war for that matter as it seems to have become in some eyes a spectator sport or video game akin to watching snuff movies.

Yeh, riiiight...............Says the Putin fanboy...........🤭

[beautifulthailand99]

15 hours ago, transam said:

Both sides are losing young men for Putin's dream, nothing else. I feel sorry for the Russian folk, their country has been ostracized, the countries move to real freedom has collapsed, gone backwards in no time, and all for what, one man's land grab dream....🥴

For once I applaud your post - so true and so sad. But we are where we are, and should be seeking what is the least worst option now. In Thailand they say never pick a fight unless you are prepared to die as they don't fight fair or give up once they start. That's Russia - Putin or no Putin , and like the Israelis they are both traumatised, brutalised , paranoid people capable of both great achievements or great harm. It's their history , swimming in the oceans of blood of their fallen people.

[Rimmer]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed, can you stay on topic please.

@thaibeachlovers

[beautifulthailand99]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/05/ukraine-f-16-pilot-training-00161742

 

Ukraine is a customer in a queue not an urgent priority and this is how your major ally treats you. 1944 it is not. That and if Russia is a threat to other European countries, as we are being constantly told charity begins at home and they are busy stocking up with kit.

 

But the U.S. has told the Ukrainian military that in addition to limited space, other countries are in line for F-16 training at the base and that it cannot break its commitments to those nations.

“We understand they don’t want to break those contracts, but they could move their American pilots to a different base for training,” said Sasha Ustinova, a Ukrainian lawmaker who has advocated for the training.

 

The production capacity for the AIM-120 advanced medium-range air-to-air missile, made by RTX, has increased from around 500-800 per year to over 1,000, company officials said last year, in order to keep with demand. Ukraine has already used an older version of the missile with the ground-based National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System to hit Russian missiles.

But the worry from capitals is that the new requests from Kyiv could begin to put a strain on countries’ stocks, and talks among alliance members are looking at who might be able to part with their missiles, and how many, and when, the official said.

[transam]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/05/ukraine-f-16-pilot-training-00161742

 

Ukraine is a customer in a queue not an urgent priority and this is how your major ally treats you. 1944 it is not. That and if Russia is a threat to other European countries, as we are being constantly told charity begins at home and they are busy stocking up with kit.

 

But the U.S. has told the Ukrainian military that in addition to limited space, other countries are in line for F-16 training at the base and that it cannot break its commitments to those nations.

“We understand they don’t want to break those contracts, but they could move their American pilots to a different base for training,” said Sasha Ustinova, a Ukrainian lawmaker who has advocated for the training.

 

The production capacity for the AIM-120 advanced medium-range air-to-air missile, made by RTX, has increased from around 500-800 per year to over 1,000, company officials said last year, in order to keep with demand. Ukraine has already used an older version of the missile with the ground-based National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System to hit Russian missiles.

But the worry from capitals is that the new requests from Kyiv could begin to put a strain on countries’ stocks, and talks among alliance members are looking at who might be able to part with their missiles, and how many, and when, the official said.

More Red stuff......🤣

[beautifulthailand99]

8 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

If someone invaded your house, would you negotiate with them, and maybe give them a few rooms?

It would depend whether I was armed or not and my chance of getting out alive and what were my chances of the whole house being burnt down with me and my family inside or could a delicate situation be defused. That was Thailand's approch in WW2 wheh the Japanese invaded it saved the country. A good Buddhist/Christian compromise.

 

Eye for Eye

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

More Red stuff......🤣

Yeah Politico like "Warhog Defense"  is an organ of authority.

[transam]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Yeah Politico like "Warhog Defense"  is an organ of authority.

For your Red agenda.........😂

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The production capacity for the AIM-120 advanced medium-range air-to-air missile, made by RTX, has increased from around 500-800 per year to over 1,000, company officials said last year,

Sooooo, all Russia has to do is send 1,000 drones and an entire year's production is gone, leaving the sky open for the next 1,000. That's assuming Ukraine even gets a full year's production.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

We understand they don’t want to break those contracts, but they could move their American pilots to a different base for training,” said Sasha Ustinova, a Ukrainian lawmaker who has advocated for the training.

Seems she thinks Ukraine is all that's going on in the world.

She also doesn't understand that the US doesn't have loads of instructors hanging around waiting to be employed.

 

Seems it's all going wrong for Zelensky and co.

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooo, all Russia has to do is send 1,000 drones and an entire year's production is gone, leaving the sky open for the next 1,000. That's assuming Ukraine even gets a full year's production.

F16's are not the Wunderwaffe some think they are and you need to add pristine runways to their list of intensive demands to keep them airworthy.

 

That care will extend to deploying teams with sealant to cover cracks and crevices or uneven concrete on runways as close to the frontline as possible to avoid making an obvious target out of just a few well-maintained sites, said Justin Bronk with the Royal United Services Institute think tank.  

“For a start, runways and taxi routes at multiple sites will need to be smooth and constantly checked for debris given how susceptible the low-slung, single-engine F-16s are to ground debris compared to MiG-29s,” he said.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-f-16-fighter-jets-war-russia-base-runway/

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

F16's are not the Wunderwaffe some think they are and you need to add pristine runways to their list of intensive demands to keep them airworthy.

 

That care will extend to deploying teams with sealant to cover cracks and crevices or uneven concrete on runways as close to the frontline as possible to avoid making an obvious target out of just a few well-maintained sites, said Justin Bronk with the Royal United Services Institute think tank.  

“For a start, runways and taxi routes at multiple sites will need to be smooth and constantly checked for debris given how susceptible the low-slung, single-engine F-16s are to ground debris compared to MiG-29s,” he said.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-f-16-fighter-jets-war-russia-base-runway/

IMO it's just another "this is going to win the war" propaganda exercise. I very much doubt the US is going to risk the latest tech falling into Russian hands, so the planes may not be as good as the MIGS. Perhaps they'll end up shooting drones far away from the front.

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO it's just another "this is going to win the war" propaganda exercise. I very much doubt the US is going to risk the latest tech falling into Russian hands, so the planes may not be as good as the MIGS. Perhaps they'll end up shooting drones far away from the front.

 

Anyone familiar with history should know that the US is ruthless with its aid. When it’s no longer convenient, they’ll pull it. And there’s no guarantee that they even want people to win, or win quickly.

Their number one goal has been to bleed Russia out as much as possible. I really don’t think they care how many Ukrainians die to achieve that.To be fair they probably went into this war because the US promised to supply them with enough weapons to win. And that hasn't happened and now it certainly won't happen.

 

[jvs]

11 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

It would depend whether I was armed or not and my chance of getting out alive and what were my chances of the whole house being burnt down with me and my family inside or could a delicate situation be defused. That was Thailand's approch in WW2 wheh the Japanese invaded it saved the country. A good Buddhist/Christian compromise.

 

Eye for Eye

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[a] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.

I can not agree with you on this.Off topic a bit but i will reply to what you said about Thailand.

Have you visited Kanchanaburi and have you seen what the Japanese army did there?

Because Thailand allowed them!I have also visited the site where the Japanese landed in Prachuapkirikhan ,there is some kind of remembrance plaque there.

Imo a lot of the dead people in the many graves in Kanchanaburi are there because of letting evil

people get away with their actions.

 

Eye for an Eye.

Do you think that if the Ukraine would lay down their weapons and let russia keep what they have

stolen so far  would stop the russian agression and the killing would stop?

I think that is very naive.Maybe look at Georgia and some other of putins plans.

Unfortunately being passive does not work against an aggressor.

 

 

[rabas]

12 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You say famous but there isn't even a Wikipedia article about him nor is he qouted or has written in any western mainstream journal that would pass this parishes sniff test. So it's an opinion from a marginal figure at best. Others are raising the alarm about complacent mythologies in the west and with good cause.

 

https://archive.ph/YTurB

 

These shifts are tectonic. Even in czarist times, Russia shipped its commodities to Europe and relied on imports from the West of manufactured goods. Russia’s oligarchs, blacklisted by most Western countries, have had to adapt to the new reality. Last month, the businessman Vladimir Potanin, whose fortune is estimated at $23.7 billion, announced that his copper and nickel empire would reorient toward China, including by moving production facilities into the country. “If we’re more integrated into the Chinese economy,” he said, “we’ll be more protected.”

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nn7pej9jyo

 

The story of the price cap highlights a dilemma for the US and its partners.

Recognising that Russia is one of the largest players on the global energy market, they have tried to keep Russian oil flowing to avoid hiking energy prices. The result of that is that Moscow is still making money.

“In a way, we refused to properly sanction Russian oil,” Elina Ribakova concludes. “This price cap is an attempt to have our cake and eat it. The priorities are to allow Russian oil on to the market and to reduce Russia’s revenue. And when these two priorities conflict, unfortunately the first one wins. That allows Russia to raise a lot of revenues and continue with the war.”

 

The article then ends with a signoff that infrastructure spend has taken a dive as resources go into the war ecomomy. Pot.Kettle.Black.

 

He is famous and is in Wikipedia. He is Russian, works in Russia, writes in Russian so he appears in Russian Wiki. (Wiki is author language based, not English). Click image for his Wiki page in Google English.

 

He has numerous accolades. He is a founder of Russia's Higher School of Economics. He is author of many publications in the economic press and the first textbook in Russia on market economics for HS students, published in large quantities. "Today he is one of the most authoritative specialists in the field of marketing and pricing in Russia" and "among the 12 best teachers of Russian business education", etc.

 

He was recently exiled with many other experts after being deemed a foreign agent. Why? His book contents "do not contribute to love for the Motherland." (Putin) He is now in Lithuania and is quoted in Western media: Business Insider,  Business Insider,  Reuters.

 

Economists inside Russia can't speak freely out of fear,  those outside tell a very different story. Western media often confuses the two streams of real and fake info out of Russia. One should not believe anything coming from Putin's Russia. 
 

I skip the rest of your post as it starts on a false premise. I did give you a little red heart to show your negative feedback is not mine. 🙂
 

Edited June 8 by rabas

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, jvs said:

I can not agree with you on this.Off topic a bit but i will reply to what you said about Thailand.

Have you visited Kanchanaburi and have you seen what the Japanese army did there?

Because Thailand allowed them!I have also visited the site where the Japanese landed in Prachuapkirikhan ,there is some kind of remembrance plaque there.

Imo a lot of the dead people in the many graves in Kanchanaburi are there because of letting evil

people get away with their actions.

 

Eye for an Eye.

Do you think that if the Ukraine would lay down their weapons and let russia keep what they have

stolen so far  would stop the russian agression and the killing would stop?

I think that is very naive.Maybe look at Georgia and some other of putins plans.

Unfortunately being passive does not work against an aggressor.

 

 

Thanks for your reply it is off topic so I will refrain from having what could have been a good debate on ethics and war and Thailand's non-aligment with "great" powers.

[jvs]

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

Anyone familiar with history should know that the US is ruthless with its aid. When it’s no longer convenient, they’ll pull it. And there’s no guarantee that they even want people to win, or win quickly.

Their number one goal has been to bleed Russia out as much as possible. I really don’t think they care how many Ukrainians die to achieve that.To be fair they probably went into this war because the US promised to supply them with enough weapons to win. And that hasn't happened and now it certainly won't happen.

 

For the umpteenth time!The Ukraine did not go into this war!It was putin all the way!

I do agree you are basically saying the Ukraine is fighting and dying for the West,i hope that will change soon.As far as the F-16s go, they can also use airport in neighboring countries.

That will be a problem for putin.

Sure he will spout more talk but i believe that is all it is,he has been crying escalation since the first outside arms reached the Ukraine.

If you are watching what russian TV are saying,they are going to nuke all of Europe any time now!

Putin has only respect for one thing,true powerful opposition.!!!!!!

[jvs]

11 minutes ago, jvs said:

Eye for an Eye.

Do you think that if the Ukraine would lay down their weapons and let russia keep what they have

stolen so far  would stop the russian agression and the killing would stop?

I think that is very naive.Maybe look at Georgia and some other of putins plans.

Unfortunately being passive does not work against an aggressor.

Beautifulthailand,can you reply to this at least?

Not off topic.

[jvs]

A lot of talk about NATO and what they can,should and/or will do.

A little insight,very simple really.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_17120.htm

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

He is famous and is in Wikipedia. He is Russian, works in Russia, writes in Russian so he appears in Russian Wiki. (Wiki is author language based, not English). Click image for his Wiki page in Google English.

 

He has a long list of accolades. He is a founder of Russia's Higher School of Economics. He is author of many publications in the economic press and the first textbook in Russia on market economics for HS students, published in large quantities. "Today "he is one of the most authoritative specialists in the field of marketing and pricing in Russia" and "among the 12 best teachers of Russian business education", etc.

 

He was recently exiled with many other experts after being deemed a foreign agent. Why? His book contents "do not contribute to love for the Motherland." He's now in Lithuania and is quoted in western media: Business Insider,  Business Insider,  Reuters.

 

Economists inside Russia can't speak freely out of fear,  those outside tell a very different story. Western media often confuses the two streams of real and fake info out of Russia. This is why one should not believe anything coming from Putin's Russia. 
 

I skip the rest of your post which starts on false premise. I did give you a little red heart to show your negative feedback is not mine 🙂
 

Thanks for the update - that said economics is not a science but attempts to at any point predict the outcomes based on the past and predicting the future. He no doubt for good reasons, instinct and desire would like to see the current Russian system collapse and his bias will look for data that confirms that.

 

Elvira Nabiullina - the head of the Central Bank is regarded for better or worse as one of the world's greatest central banker and  a reluctant but essential Putin ally. When you then combine that he has replaced Shoigu as defence minister by lauded technocrat economist Andrei Belousov and the pivot towards China , it's huge natural resources and land  and a fairly pliant and essentially complicit population I wouldn't bet on Russia failing anytime soon. If the SBU wanted to fight a smart war assasinate these 2. Putin has his Albert Speer and his Hjalmar Schacht in place and for those with a knowledge of Nazi Germany they were his 2 key civilian allies allowing his war mchine to operate. And then he attacked Russia - history tells us unless you are mad don't do that.

 

Don't worry about emojis I certainly don't but thanks for the thought.

 

https://archive.ph/UNKJM

[beautifulthailand99]

12 minutes ago, jvs said:

Beautifulthailand,can you reply to this at least?

Not off topic.

For me it's like divided Ireland. If Russia kept it's essentially Russian speaking areas I beleive they would declare a win and an armistice like Korea would come into effect. Ukraine could rest and recover and build a huge defensive line like they are doing in the rest of Europe. Pro Russian Ukrainians can go and live in their areas and pro Ukrainains can go and live theirs - they certainly don't tolerate each other anymore. If Ukraine can't win and there just isn't the weaponary or ammo or manpower to sustain this war and NATO boots aren't going on the ground (this is a war against a nuclear power lest we forget) then what is being achieved to let this tragic and terrible war continue ?

[jvs]

For any one who is willing to spend some time watching this video,there are some truths

on here for both sides!

I find it very hard to find anything here i can not agree with.

Thank you to the person who attended me to this channel.

 

[tgw]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

For any one who is willing to spend some time watching this video,there are some truths

on here for both sides!

I find it very hard to find anything here i can not agree with.

Thank you to the person who attended me to this channel.

 

 

their content is good, but I don't like the all-talk, there are no pictures, no videos, no maps, no nothing besides the talk and I don't find the voice particularly nice to listen to.