Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[BarraMarra]

So how do you stop Putin Thaibeachlovers ??? from killing kids fighting Cancer or Pregnant Mums dodging Russian cruise missiles?? tell us. As for your stupid remark about war mongers what language do you think id be speaking in the UK now if we let Hitler cross the Channel. And finally in your opinion is it right for Thailand to help fund Putins war.

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, tgw said:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/07/9/7464863/

 

 

the article is also available in Russian.

maybe an easier read for some habitual posters here.

 

Acting as a fascist terrorist state they are indeed barbarians but to be fair many of them individually are regular people and along with Ukrainians also victims of Putin.

[kwonitoy]

 

[Gweiloman]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The war was started over war criminal fascist dictator Putin's determination to erase Ukraine which he is on record as thinking has never existed as a nation separate to Russ. Nothing to do with NATO. Ask Sweden and Finland.

 

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes so many naive people still don't get it.

Putin is about erasing Ukraine as a nation entirely, making it's people slaves of Russ and soldiers for further expansion, or failing that, leveling Ukraine to dust and killing all it's people that aren't willing to be slaves.

The SMO was started when the west continuously ignored Russia’s warnings and redlines, thinking that a “weak” Russia would have no choice but to just accept the farcical rules based international order.
 

And you call others naive… lol.

[Gweiloman]

8 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

So how do you stop Putin Thaibeachlovers ??? from killing kids fighting Cancer or Pregnant Mums dodging Russian cruise missiles?? tell us. As for your stupid remark about war mongers what language do you think id be speaking in the UK now if we let Hitler cross the Channel. And finally in your opinion is it right for Thailand to help fund Putins war.

Simple. Ukraine commits to remaining neutral, ie not join NATO. Negotiations starts from there. Putin has said he will immediately, within one minute, order a halt.

 

I didn’t know that Thailand is helping to fund Russia but it wouldn’t surprise me as the global majority sees what’s really happening and backing the good guy. I really have to laugh when some posters talk about Russia being isolated on the international stage. This so called stage actually consists of just 40 or so countries and about 20-30%of the world’s population. Much like some country calling a sports competition World Series when only a handful of countries are participating. Hubris, as normal.

[tgw]

17 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

 

 the farcical rules based international order.

 

can you please explain what's farcical about the rules based international order

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Simple. Ukraine commits to remaining neutral, ie not join NATO. Negotiations starts from there. Putin has said he will immediately, within one minute, order a halt.

 

I didn’t know that Thailand is helping to fund Russia but it wouldn’t surprise me as the global majority sees what’s really happening and backing the good guy. I really have to laugh when some posters talk about Russia being isolated on the international stage. This so called stage actually consists of just 40 or so countries and about 20-30%of the world’s population. Much like some country calling a sports competition World Series when only a handful of countries are participating. Hubris, as normal.

You're calling Putin the good guy?

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

 

The SMO was started when the west continuously ignored Russia’s warnings and redlines, thinking that a “weak” Russia would have no choice but to just accept the farcical rules based international order.
 

And you call others naive… lol.

Another buying Kremlin lies. Why do you call thIs war SMO? 

[BarraMarra]

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Simple. Ukraine commits to remaining neutral, ie not join NATO. Negotiations starts from there. Putin has said he will immediately, within one minute, order a halt.

 

I didn’t know that Thailand is helping to fund Russia but it wouldn’t surprise me as the global majority sees what’s really happening and backing the good guy. I really have to laugh when some posters talk about Russia being isolated on the international stage. This so called stage actually consists of just 40 or so countries and about 20-30%of the world’s population. Much like some country calling a sports competition World Series when only a handful of countries are participating. Hubris, as normal.

One of the reasons Putin invaded and it was well recorded he said Ukraine was run by Nazis and we must eradicate them,  Every Russian flight leaving for Thailand is paying for Putins war. As for your other nonsense about worlds series expain it more precise are you talking football, and Rugby World cups?.

[BarraMarra]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

One of the reasons Putin invaded and it was well recorded he said Ukraine was run by Nazis and we must eradicate them,  Every Russian flight leaving for Thailand is paying for Putins war. As for your other nonsense about worlds series expain it more precise are you talking football, and Rugby World cups?.

Thaibeachlovers appears to have gone silent. Is it because I asked him a question he doesn't want to answer?

[tgw]

10 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Thaibeachlovers appears to have gone silent. Is it because I asked him a question he doesn't want to answer?

 

once he's determined you are impervious to his BS, he puts you on ignore

[BarraMarra]

I'll give him a few more hours, his Internet could be down 555.

[Hummin]

16 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

One of the reasons Putin invaded and it was well recorded he said Ukraine was run by Nazis and we must eradicate them,  Every Russian flight leaving for Thailand is paying for Putins war. As for your other nonsense about worlds series expain it more precise are you talking football, and Rugby World cups?.

The propaganda is one thing, and the real reasons another! He sold a war to his people, and so far it seems to have been accepted by the majority as far as we know by now. 

 

Putin wanted his hands of Ukraines resources and strategic land areas to position Russia on the world map, and have his muppet government installed so he could controll Ukraine completely. 

 

Nazis, private armies, Russians rights violated,  corruption and cia sponsored coup just more reasons to fill in for the propaganda war. 

[freeworld]

13 hours ago, tgw said:

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelenskyy-says-problem-coming-f-172515612.html

[BarraMarra]

His people are so afraid of saying anything about him they keep silent. Show there true feelings there locked up or they are killed.

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

His people are so afraid of saying anything about him they keep silent. Show there true feelings there locked up or they are killed.

Every country have their protesters and every time there is a anti war protest, there is violence and arrested people involved, democratic or a dictatorship. 

 

We know Putin, and his will, but how many do believe in his war, that is a different matter. More important, how many leaders believe in Putin and is willing to cooperate with him, and see the west as two face double moralists? Thats what matters in future

[BarraMarra]

There not even safe in the UK he even sent two goons to spread a nerve agent called Novichok onto the door handles of a anti Putin supporter and he poisoned Navalney in Germany promised him if he returned to Russia he would be nced lightly then had him killed in prison now he is trying to get his wife to.

[Hummin]

19 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

There not even safe in the UK he even sent two goons to spread a nerve agent called Novichok onto the door handles of a anti Putin supporter and he poisoned Navalney in Germany promised him if he returned to Russia he would be nced lightly then had him killed in prison now he is trying to get his wife to.

Usa and Israel sending missiles to take out their enemies? Killing innocent doing so

 

It is all about how you see things in perspective, and enemy of state will always be an enemy of the state, and there will be consequences. People are pursued and prosequted as well convicted for telling the truth to in the west. Julian Assange and Edward Snowden comes to mind.

[Bkk Brian]

The Russian terrorists will never win

 

"Two days ago, after Russia bombed a children's hospital in Kyiv and killed and wounded hundreds of civilians across Ukraine, a representative of Putin’s regime displayed his QR code. He also openly declared at a Security Council meeting that Russia will persist in its coercive tactics against Ukraine using military force, meaning they will continue the annihilation of Ukrainians as a nation.
I want to present the correct QR code to access a set of photographic evidence documenting this heinous crime. I also urge you to help save the lives of hundreds of children who are in urgent need of medical treatment."

https://x.com/SergiyKyslytsya/status/1811489517247037511

 

[kwonitoy]

 

Edited July 12 by kwonitoy

[kwonitoy]

 

[tgw]

9 hours ago, Hummin said:

Usa and Israel sending missiles to take out their enemies? Killing innocent doing so

 

It is all about how you see things in perspective, and enemy of state will always be an enemy of the state, and there will be consequences. People are pursued and prosequted as well convicted for telling the truth to in the west. Julian Assange and Edward Snowden comes to mind.

 

I don't agree with everything the West does.

IMO Bush and Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. should have gone to prison.

 

BUT what the Ruzzians do is hugely different, it is mass murder, self-confessed genocide, targeted war crimes, where the goal is to commit the war crime, not striking a military or otherwise significant target.

 

So stop with the "you too" tactics, whataboutist nonsense. There is no moral equivalence here.

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

I don't agree with everything the West does.

IMO Bush and Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. should have gone to prison.

 

BUT what the Ruzzians do is hugely different, it is mass murder, self-confessed genocide, targeted war crimes, where the goal is to commit the war crime, not striking a military or otherwise significant target.

 

So stop with the "you too" tactics, whataboutist nonsense. There is no moral equivalence here.

It is as you say, but unfortunate earlier mistakes, and continuously supporting other allies who do war crimes, doesnt make one look better than the other. Thats the truth, and if you cant accept a analysis describing what is wrong and being missused by Putin, then there is nothing to discuss. 

 

As said, it is about resources everyone wants to have part in, and also strategic ports for Russias shipping. Strategic and economical reasons. 

 

War crimes is war crimes no matter who do them, and some can use it as excuses to do them because other do it. A bit unfair for Ukraine, who have to ask permission to take out legitime military targets in Russia, and som far been limited to short distance targets inside russia. For an instance have not been allowed to take out the battery for the last russian missile attack. 

[tgw]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is as you say, but unfortunate earlier mistakes, and continuously supporting other allies who do war crimes, doesnt make one look better than the other.

oh yes it does.

 

also, I tie the "mistakes" as you call them to persons, not to countries. Biden's USA is not a problem. Putin's Ruzzia is a huge, monstrous, mass-murderous, genocidal problem that is also a direct enemy of almost all Western country because Putin has been conducting intelligence operations aimed directly against Western governments and countries.

 

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

As said, it is about resources everyone wants to have part in, and also strategic ports for Russias shipping. Strategic and economical reasons.

in essence, what you are doing  here is explaining the motive of Putin's crime.

means, opportunity and motive.

the attack has been motivated by theft. makes it worse.

 

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

War crimes is war crimes no matter who do them, and some can use it as excuses to do them because other do it. A bit unfair for Ukraine, who have to ask permission to take out legitime military targets in Russia, and som far been limited to short distance targets inside russia. For an instance have not been allowed to take out the battery for the last russian missile attack. 

maybe, if you are interested in doing an "analysis" as you wrote in your post, you can compare the war crimes committed by Ukraine with those committed by Russia. Also include a victim count.

Edited July 12 by tgw

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, tgw said:

oh yes it does.

 

also, I tie the "mistakes" as you call them to persons, not to countries. Biden's USA is not a problem. Putin's Ruzzia is a huge, monstrous, mass-murderous, genocidal problem that is also a direct enemy of almost all Western country because Putin has been conducting intelligence operations aimed directly against Western governments and countries.

 

in essence, what you are doing  here is explaining the motive of Putin's crime.

means, opportunity and motive.

the attack has been motivated by theft. makes it worse.

 

maybe, if you are interested in doing an "analysis" as you wrote in your post, you can compare the war crimes committed by Ukraine with those committed by Russia. Also include a victim count.

Continue to colour everyone who just voice their views, and call them out as Putin and Russian friendly, still you will not understand why wars happens, and why Ukraine is of importance to Russia as an Neighbouring country with resources. 

 

Im happy to be western, and happy we are in Nato, and Happy Usa is as for now eith us, but that is for now as long we are useful for their politics. We will have to wait and see what happens if there is going to be an regime shift in Usa. Until then, there is nothing wrong admitting this is how world politics works, and have done as long there have been wars of larger scale. 

 

Ukraine people have become bricks in a larger game, thats the truth. My sympathy is with the Ukrainian people, make no mistake of that. 

 

Proud Norwegian who support the Ukrainian people. 

[tgw]

41 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Continue to colour everyone who just voice their views, and call them out as Putin and Russian friendly, still you will not understand why wars happens, and why Ukraine is of importance to Russia as an Neighbouring country with resources. 

 

Im happy to be western, and happy we are in Nato, and Happy Usa is as for now eith us, but that is for now as long we are useful for their politics. We will have to wait and see what happens if there is going to be an regime shift in Usa. Until then, there is nothing wrong admitting this is how world politics works, and have done as long there have been wars of larger scale. 

 

Ukraine people have become bricks in a larger game, thats the truth. My sympathy is with the Ukrainian people, make no mistake of that. 

 

Proud Norwegian who support the Ukrainian people. 

 

I understand very well why wars happen, particularly this one.

 

It's good to read that you support Ukraine, but your posts strike a different tone, often putting Russia and Ukraine at the same level and not acknowledging the scale of Putin's evil.

[Hummin]

3 hours ago, tgw said:

 

I understand very well why wars happen, particularly this one.

 

It's good to read that you support Ukraine, but your posts strike a different tone, often putting Russia and Ukraine at the same level and not acknowledging the scale of Putin's evil.

I haven't said one word about Ukrainians, more about how Eu and Usa have delt with the matter. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just 8 hardcore Russian backers. Sixty wavers. And ninety on the right side. 

 

Russia is pariah state.

 

UN demands Russia immediately return Europe’s biggest nuclear plant to Ukraine

https://apnews.com/article/un-ukraine-russia-nuclear-plant-zaporizhzhia-resolution-be93a5e9fa99d7625aece1b47e17796e

 

 

 

[Gweiloman]

19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You're calling Putin the good guy?

No.

 

19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Another buying Kremlin lies. Why do you call thIs war SMO? 

Unlike you, I’m not buying USA’s lies.

[Gweiloman]

18 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

One of the reasons Putin invaded and it was well recorded he said Ukraine was run by Nazis and we must eradicate them,  Every Russian flight leaving for Thailand is paying for Putins war. As for your other nonsense about worlds series expain it more precise are you talking football, and Rugby World cups?.

If Ukraine was run by Nazis, eradicating them would be a good idea, wouldn’t it? You said yourself you would be speaking another language if Hitler hadn’t been stopped, by among others, the Russians.

 

Every Russian flight leaving for Thailand is paying for Putins war.

???? Seems like you don’t have a good any grasp of economics. 

You mean you’ve never heard of the World Series? What are you, still in kindergarten? GIYF.